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  1.  

    neroden

    Most folks — *when organized as a group* — have a lot of power. If the government encourages vigilantism on this scale, it won’t be solo operators — it’ll be militias.

    Better to simply replace the felonious, corrupt, killer-coddling DA with a new DA who will actually enforce the laws.

  2.  

    JackDeeRipper

    The first thing I would do is call 911 for EMS and law-enforcement to report and document an accident report.

  3.  

    Guest

    The first thing I would do is call 911 for EMS and law-enforcement to report and document an accident report.

  4.  

    neroden

    You don’t need to riot. Run your own candidate for DA — one who will prosecute killer motorists (and prosecute killer cops). Get him elected. Democracy is supposed to eliminate the need for riots.

    If they steal that election through fraud and vote suppression, then you should actually organize an militia and overthrow the government. Because if the elections are being stolen, you have no other way to restore democracy.

  5.  

    neroden

    Yeah, but you need an opposition candidate. And some funding to run ads explaining that Brown coddles killers.

  6.  

    neroden

    Like I say, the ad campaign against DA “friend to killers” Brown writes itself. Who’s going to be the candidate to run against Brown?

  7.  

    neroden

    You shouldn’t just do that. DAs are elected! You should run a candidate against him in the next election. Make Brown LOSE.

    You only have to win one DA election based on this issue — because the DA is SOFT ON CRIME committed by motorists — and all the other borough DAs will start falling into line out of fear of losing their jobs.

  8.  

    neroden

    Who’s running for DA in Queens in the next election on the Vision Zero platform?

    This DA is SOFT ON CRIME. DA Richard “friend to killers” Brown thinks it’s OK for people to kill babies and attack grandmothers with cars — he said so in his own letter.

    The ads write themselves. Richard “friend to killers” Brown should be thrown out of office. Anyone live in Queens, care about stopping killer motorists, and want to get rid of him? You don’t have to be a lawyer to run for DA, though it would help.

  9.  

    neroden

    Private criminal prosecutions, such as they have in the UK, seem like the only hope.

    Unfortunately to do that in the US you have to get the attention of a grand jury, and the grand juries have been taken over by the prosecutors in a piece of stunning scam artistry.

    I thought maybe something would happen when a police officer assaulted a JUDGE. A judge has the right to empanel a grand jury on his own authority, and that grand jury has the right to prosecute — the DAs and police don’t even come into the picture. But the judge who was assaulted did not do that, so no progress was made.

  10.  

    neroden

    Judging by that picture, the street is plenty wide enough for two protected bike lanes and two lanes of parking. The driving lanes might be a little narrower than DOT likes it, but that’s good, it’ll act as traffic calming.

  11.  

    neroden

    Way too many cops approve of assaults. They commit assaults routinely — haven’t you been reading the news? :-(

    I think the best hope is the Brooklyn DA. This may be egregious enough that he’ll start to go after the killer motorist — maybe even after the corrupt cops.

  12.  

    neroden

    The Brooklyn DA needs to prosecute. And frankly, if the NYPD won’t help, the DA needs to prosecute the police officers for corruption.

  13.  

    neroden

    The actions of the motorist appear to be, at best, reckless endangerment, and at worst, deliberate murder. With multiple witnesses. What will it take to get the DA to prosecute?

  14.  

    neroden

    The license plate number should be released and the driver’s name and address should be determined from this. Someone needs to inform the DA and the grand jury who to charge.

    And it seems that the NYPD is engaged in a cover-up, so it’s up to the witnesses and the media and the public to work on justice.

    So, who’s the killer in the silver Audi? I await crowdsourcing.

  15.  

    neroden

    I have only one caveat: when cutting police, the city government should totally ignore “seniority”, regardless of what union contracts say. Instead, the city should systematically get rid of the violent criminals in blue, one at a time, as they are convicted of assault and other crimes, and leave their positions vacant. This would easily reduce the size of the NYPD by 1/3. :-(

  16.  

    neroden

    Reporting them for illegal and dangerous driving in the cycle path might be a good way to stop their reign of terror. I think you’d have to get the DA’s attention.

  17.  

    neroden

    Every time they drive on the bike path, someone should get the license plate number and file a criminal complaint — or a civil lawsuit for reckless endangerment. As far as I can tell, it’s totally illegal to drive on the bike path. Steve Vaccaro might be able to do the legal research to confirm whether I’m right about this (I haven’t done the full search of the law books).

  18.  

    neroden

    Or a JUDGE who is asking a cop to stop violently beating someone in handcuffs.

    http://www.newyorklawjournal.com/id=1202568440130/Queens-DA-Covering-Up-Cop-Assault-Judge-Says?slreturn=20141023080622

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/19/1232287/-NYPD-assaults-judge-trying-to-protect-handcuffed-homeless-man-from-beating-judge-sues

    The NYPD is a RICO organization and needs to be thoroughly cleaned out. It’s time to make the case to judges that “I ran from the cop because the cops in this town are brutal criminal killers and I feared for my life”. ‘Cause it’s the truth.

  19.  

    neroden

    The real problem is corruption among the NYPD brass. Ticket quotas are illegal and unconstitutional, but they were pushed by that criminal scum Ray Kelly, who belongs in maximum security prison for life for his conspiracy against the public.

    As long as violent felons like Ray Kelly roam the streets, we’re not safe. We need some sort of police department to arrest violent felons like Ray Kelly.

    The jury is still out on whether the new Police Commissioner Bratton is honest; he may be honest and having trouble. Because it takes a long time to clean up an organization which has been corrupted for decades by a violent felon like Ray Kelly at the top. On the other hand, he may be another violent felon like Ray Kelly was. We’ll see.

  20.  

    neroden

    They’ve already failed. Cuomo — or de Blasio — can always change his mind and choose to stop failing.

  21.  

    neroden

    Actually, cops like this need to be arrested for assault. What you need to do is get a specialized lawyer. Then try to file a police report regarding the assault. Which the police will refuse to take, but you have to document that. Then… well, you get the picture, it goes on and on. It’s a big pain when cops are criminals.

  22.  

    ahwr

    The sort of police cuts talked about here would save something like 1-2 billion annually from reduced salary and benefits/pension OPEB prepayments. That could do a lot of good expanding transit. Or even just plugging the MTAs budget gap to maintain what exists. Or rebuilding roads to be safer, better accommodate surface transit, bikes, and pedestrians.

  23.  

    ahwr

    To continue the analogy how many of those trips on i80 would you have made if most exits led to miles of dirt roads before you could reach your destination or otherwise uninviting environments for someone in a car? What if you had to walk the last couple miles from the highway?

    Building a nice linear park would be great. But they are expensive in most cases. In some near natural boundaries or repurposing existing infrastructure they can bebe relatively cheap. But a greenfield linear park? Very expensive. The street level improvements you could get with the same amount of money would serve a far greater number of bike trips, a far greater number of bike miles. Then once you have multiple bikeable destinations (neighborhoods) connecting them with a speedier route could start to make sense.

    http://seattlegreenways.org

    https://www.portlandoregon.gov/transportation/50518

  24.  

    Joe R.

    Basically anyone and everyone who will listen, especially the news media. Make sure to get the officer’s badge number and (if possible) their name. Cops like this need to be publicly humiliated.

  25.  

    Joe R.

    Assuming the police told him to stop (which I highly doubt), and he was actually close enough to clearly hear them, it still takes a bit of time to process the information. Suppose a cop tells a suspect to drop a weapon, then starts shooting him 1 second later because he/she didn’t comply? You have to allow a reasonable window for your commands to register before you take action.

    Also, the action taken should be in proportion to the offense you’re being stopped for. If you just committed a felony, are highly likely to be a danger to the public, then sure, the police can tackle you and more to keep you from fleeing in the interests of public safety. What danger is there here which required such an extreme measure? He ran a red light? Moreover he did so in what is probably one of the least dangerous places in the city to run red lights. Why are the police even there in the first place if not to fulfill ticket quotas? Stuff like this causes respect for the police to be lost. I can’t think of too many things one might do on a bike which would justify tackling them to stop them. Hitting a person and fleeing would, but that’s about it.

  26.  

    Joe R.

    He may not have heard the cop even if the cop was yelling at him to stop. On a bike at normal speeds you’re out of someone else’s voice range in a few seconds at most. Combine that with wind noise which distorts sounds you do hear. It’s entirely plausible he didn’t hear any order to stop. Truth is I think there never was one. Given how out of shape the NYPD is there’s no way a cop on foot could have chased after a cyclist, then tackled him, after the cyclist failed to stop. Most likely the cop was stationed not far from the red light and tackled any cyclists who went through but didn’t stop the second he told them to as a matter of course. Remember it might take a second or two for your brain to process sounds and realize the cop meant for you to stop. Long before that occurs, this POS excuse for a cop will have already tackled you. It’s actually a great tactic to trump up what might otherwise just be a red light ticket into resisting arrest.

    I hope this guy gets a six figure payout. That will cancel out a few hundred or more red light tickets. When these bike dragnets are seen as revenue neutral or revenue negative, maybe they’ll stop.

  27.  

    Joe R.

    I’ve heard cops yelling many times when I ride. To me it’s just more urban background noise. I wouldn’t assume a cop was yelling at me unless he/she said something like “Hey you on the bike, stop, police!” Even then I might scan my surroundings just to see if the yelling was directed at another cyclist.

    And sorry, but it’s a cop on foot, there’s no f-ing way I’m stopping even if it’s directed at me. I’m rabbiting the second I know a cop is on my tail. Those tickets are really expensive, plus I have little doubt I might also receive a gratuitous beating even if I complied with the officer to the letter. Too many bad things can happen when a cop stops you, so it’s worth taking a chance on getting away. More often than not you can. Back in the Guiliani era I received a sidewalk cycling ticket. I vowed never again to just act like a fish in a barrel. I had cops after me twice in the intervening years, in patrol cars. I lost them both times. Given that, evading a cop on foot is a no brainer. Make a quick turn on to another street after you do, then a few random turns. In a 3 or 4 minutes you could be anywhere within a one mile radius. The police aren’t going to waste resources on you, especially when there’s no positive way to identify you as the cyclist who escaped.

    There are plenty of stories of people victimized by police, not just cyclists. While this type of police behavior is inexcusable, the fact is people aren’t victimized unless they let themselves be victimized. In my opinion most cyclists make it way too easy for the police. If I ever get a ticket, I’m going to be damned sure to make the police work like hell for it. Yes, citizens should fight and evade police when the police are doing things of no value to public safety, like these stupid bicycle dragnets.

  28.  

    Joe R.

    You’re right but it seems nobody in the NYPD is brave enough to do that. If I was a precinct commander at one of these community meetings where people complain about bikes and ask for crackdowns, I would say something like this:

    “Statistically you’re about as likely to be killed by a bike as you are to be killed by lightning. Policing is done by going after the statistically most dangerous things, not going after the things people complain about the most. People’s perceptions of danger rarely match the reality. Although you may find bikes annoying, they’re not statistically dangerous, and this precinct has no plans to target bicycles. This isn’t to say the occasional cyclist may not get a ticket if they’re doing something really dangerous to warrant it, but we’re not going after jaybikers or people riding carefully on sidewalks. These things are at best a low level urban annoyance, not a danger. If the police ticketed everything which other people found annoying the courts and jails would be full.”

  29.  

    WalkingNPR

    Agreed. Let’s do it.

  30.  

    ahwr

    Do you know what might be considered international best practice for pulling over someone on a bike?

    With cars I assume there is a specified operating procedure that gets followed to ensure the safety of all. Is there similar training for pulling over cyclists safely?

  31.  

    ahwr

    Did he identify himself as a cop and make clear that the guy should pull over? Is it obvious that the cyclist knew or should have known the cop wanted him to stop? If a cop witnesses a driver running a red and follows him but the driver doesn’t pull over because the cop doesn’t have a working siren or flashing light should the cop ram the car to get them to stop? This isn’t the first time cops have tackled cyclists. There is a clear problem where it’s not made obvious to the cyclist that they have to stop. The solution isn’t to tackle them, or swerve in front of them with a cop car. NYPD needs to establish a way to safely and reliably let a cyclist know they need to stop.

  32.  

    ahwr

    What will that change? They’ll come up with something else to write on the ticket if you tell them not to ticket just for going through a red.

    Solution to cops going after bikes: get a mayor/police commissioner who recognize that bikes are not the danger many see them as, and be willing to take the flak for not ticketing them needlessly.

  33.  

    Larry Littlefield

    “These cops think it’s all about insurance.”

    That’s exactly the way they thought about robbery and burglary back in the day. Come down the prescient and fill out the form, and you can get money from your insurance.

    That changed.

  34.  

    stairbob

    OK, How many drivers do they tackle for that?

  35.  

    Bolwerk

    FFS, read for comprehension. I’d prefer they let a triviality go than ASSAULT SOMEONE. If they can be arsed to stop him legally, then let him go. What is so hard about that to understand? I’d also rather they not hide in the closet when there is a spree murderer about.

    But that is, in fact, exactly how they do their jobs. They can’t pursue every possible evasion. They have no choice but to use discretion. Oh, and they make taxpayers pay out something like nine figures every year in settlements for their barbaric behavior. “Thankfully” indeed!

  36.  

    Andy

    So when someone evades police, you think the best scenario is to throw your hands up and say, we’ll just get the next guy? Thankfully that’s not how police do their job.

  37.  

    Bolwerk

    Uh, are you reading the same thread as everybody else? Nobody said they couldn’t take action against him. It was the fact that they resorted to assault when someone allegedly didn’t comply with an order that people are objecting to.

    Not to say that I give a shit if he successfully evades them, because I don’t. Chances are if they didn’t stop him, nothing bad would have happened and they could just catch ticket the next violator and get their $200. Your histrionics about drugs and weapons were just silly.

  38.  

    Andy

    The excuse that you couldn’t possibly follow all the laws gives you an out to evade police that just watched you break one is interesting. Good luck with that.

  39.  

    Bolwerk

    There are too many laws to avoid breaking some now and then. Somehow life goes on, even if not everybody gets arrested or assaulted by the police for it. Your excuses are feeble.

  40.  

    Bolwerk

    I didn’t skip anything. There is no proof that he deliberately disobeyed anything, but even if he did I don’t see how it excuses a physical assault.

  41.  

    Andy

    You can’t just skip the middle step. Yes, he disobeyed a traffic device, and yes, he was taken down hard by a cop. But you can’t simply take out the part where the police officer would have said “Police! Stop!” He wasn’t taken down because he ran the stop no matter how much you want that to be the story to fuel your cop rage.

  42.  

    Ben Garber

    If I am pushed off my bike by a police officer, how should I respond? Who do I complain to?

  43.  

    Bolwerk

    He could have been deaf or have reasonably believed the cop was yelling at someone else or on his way to deliver life-saving medicine to an orphanage too! All we know is he a cop asserted he committed a traffic violation and then assaulted him; we don’t know whether the assertion is true. If they had probable cause to believe he had drugs, weapons, or a stolen bike, they could have pulled him over with a police car with sirens.

  44.  

    Andy

    @disqus_ggY8CnVn5H:disqus , your examples are pointless. The story is about a man that disobeyed a law, and failed to obey the police that witnessed it. There is no indication that he didn’t understand the law or didn’t know what police look like, even though those are still not acceptable reasons to flee after breaking the law. It should be no surprise that action was taken to stop him.

  45.  

    Kevin Love

    Or unless they are an 84-year-old Chinese man who doesn’t understand what they are saying. Of course it takes 5 police officers to beat bloody one of those people.

    Or someone who has already been beaten up by police and really does not want a repeat of the experience.

    Or someone someone who does not recognize the person as a policeman.

    Or a refugee whose last experience of police was when they were violently torturing him.

    Or… the list goes on.

  46.  

    Larry Littlefield

    Given how many people are rooting for these guys to fail, I’m inclined to give them more of a break and wait to evaluate their tenures as a whole.

    The only person in favor of everything I am is me.

  47.  

    Joe R.

    From the movie Minority Report ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/ ):

    Officer Fletcher: John, don’t run.
    John Anderton: You don’t have to chase me.
    Officer Fletcher: You don’t have to run.
    John Anderton: Everybody runs, Fletch.

  48.  

    Andy

    Smart people don’t evade cops unless they have something to hide. He could have been carrying weapons or drugs, had just stolen the bike, or been riding drunk. You want the police to just give up and let people go if they don’t cooperate?

    I don’t disagree that this is a lame tactic with the intent to ticket cyclists, but that doesn’t mean that evading cops is justified either.

  49.  

    Bolwerk

    What was the worst that could happened? That he even heard the officer yelling at him and still got away without a ticket? Come on. There were other remedies available to the police if catching him with so important. It was an assault.

  50.  

    Andy

    Is it assault to stop someone from evading police? This doesn’t sound like he was tackled because he ran a light, but rather because he failed to comply with an order to stop.