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  1.  

    Cyrus Thompson

    Because NYPD is apparently incapable of enforcing traffic and Albany refuses to allow NYC to deploy a meaningful number of automated enforcement systems, this means almost nothing.

  2.  

    wkgreen

    I think that the whole idea of incriminating Marshall with Strava is pretty useless. The speed that he was going in the wee hours is meaningless. But as long as it keeps coming back, it might be useful to note that his average speed for the month, if one does the math (693 miles and 46 hours/44 min’s), was a “whopping” 14.8 MPH. Of course it’s difficult to know how much of that was in the park, or how much of it (if any) was done in city streets waiting for traffic, but he certainly was not burning up the pavement for all of that Strava time. At 20,449 ft. of elevation gain, or 29.5 ft./mile, there was also not much hill climbing that might have brought the average down. His story, that he was only going 8 or 9 MPH at the time of the crash could well have been closer to the truth, especially if he knew that the police had access to whatever tracking device that he was carrying. If he was telling the truth, it would certainly be in his interest for NYPD to release that information.

    Be that as it may, a graduated speed limit for time and place would be the way to go. A blanket 20 MPH, as has been suggested, is too fast at the crowded south end at midday, and is really pretty close to the speed that an unencumbered fast cyclist would be going most of the time anyway.

  3.  

    JoshNY

    Last night I saw a cop pull over a livery cab driver who ran a red light. (I didn’t stay long enough to see whether s/he gave a ticket.) Happens rarely enough that I thought it was newsworthy.

  4.  

    Komanoff

    Amazing, the lengths to which humans go to avoid facing reality.

    If my stringbean 16-y-old son pushes me on the chest, I have a fighting chance to recover/maintain my balance. If Cleveland Browns football legend Jim Brown pushes me on the chest at speed, I’ll be propelled backwards so violently I’ll be utterly unable to catch myself or manage my fall.

  5.  

    walks bikes drives

    I like dogs.

  6.  

    walks bikes drives

    There are few stops, but one of the huge advantages of SBS is the three doors to board from. I have walked from 3rd Ave to CPW faster than the M79 when we both left 3rd at the same time. The key is the time it takes to board everyone through the single door with the MetroCard reader.

  7.  

    walks bikes drives

    I watched a girl today fall down the stairs. She was walking slowly, but slipped and was unable to break her fall. I don’t buy the excessive speed as the reason she couldn’t break her fall any more than you.

    I don’t doubt he was speeding. I don’t doubt he wasn’t. But I agree with the need, and the principle, of what Charles is saying that the NYPD needs to release this information.

  8.  

    walks bikes drives

    You keep changing your argument. Choose one tack and stick with it.

  9.  

    mia

    This is very sad. I live on the island and traffic is sooo slow that this morning I opted to walk rather than ride the bus to Gristedes. However this happened its freak accident because the numerous stop signs and the turn makes it impossible for a deligent driver to go above 15 mph and I am yet to meet a RIOC driver who speeds, if anything I am usually frustrated at the snails space especially this month

  10.  

    sbauman

    There are many techniques for improving reaction time. Repetition (learning) is one. You will note that I qualified reaction time with “for unexpected events.” Unless a person has taken a judo course that teaches falling, losing one’s balance while walking should qualify as unexpected.

    The figure 0.75 seconds is what is used for determining how long the yellow light should be. There have been studies showing that 1.5 seconds is more accurate for an older population for the same context.

  11.  

    IlIlIl

    Speed Limits mean nothing without strict enforcement.

  12.  

    Joe R.

    Reaction time is probably on the higher end of that for someone walking who is not really in a hyperalert state. On the flip side, reaction times can be well under 0.2 seconds for someone who is highly alert and highly trained.

    Here’s a good game to test reaction time:

    http://gamejolt.com/games/arcade/reaction-time/20702/

    My averages were usually 0.3 to 0.4 seconds. I had minimums of 0.2 seconds a few times.

  13.  

    Joe R.

    Those stopping distances seem kind of long to me. I’ve seen road tests which had some cars stopping from 60 mph in under 100 feet. Especially with antilock brakes, quickly stopping a car often no longer depends upon the skill level of the driver.

    FWIW, I can stop my bike from 20 mph in 20-25 feet. That includes reaction time. I’ve stopped short of doors which were opened about one car length in front of me.

  14.  

    com63

    Can this information be released through freedom of information requests?

  15.  

    Anxiously Awaiting Bikeshare

    Haven’t we already discussed that the police can’t access an event data recorder without a warrant, and they need probable cause for that?

  16.  

    JoshNY

    I’m not sure that’s really the solution here. I don’t think the problem is really with people driving too fast on the local roads, the problem is that the roads simply can’t handle the volume of traffic. It backs up for a long way, drivers get frustrated, visibility is poor. But for 12-16 really busy days per year (Saturdays and Sundays in apple-picking season), it doesn’t make sense to expand the roads, and to people’s credit, nobody’s suggesting that as a solution. (And, yes, we here know that bigger roads just induce more traffic.) Turns out what happened, per a later article, was that the little girl got hit by a shuttle bus. Doesn’t mean buses aren’t a good solution in this case.

    Sorry, I know this was rambling. It’s a terrible tragedy for the family involved and the fact that the same could’ve happened to my niece (who’s the same age) is sort of preventing me from thinking clearly.

    I think the solution, really, is that there need to be competing businesses so that the entire population of Essex and Hudson Counties doesn’t wind up sitting in traffic on the same stretch of road.

  17.  

    sbauman

    “Although Tarlov died of brain trauma from her head striking the pavement, the fact that she was unable to break her fall suggests that the cyclist struck her at high speed.”

    It does not! It takes 0.6 seconds to fall from 5 to 6 feet due to gravity alone . Reaction time for the unexpected is on the order of 0.75 to 1.5 seconds.

  18.  

    MatthewEH

    At the risk of initially sounding like I’m blaming the victim, which I am not:

    It does make me sigh with resignation a little bit when I see pedestrians acting very casual about crossing an intersection with a flashing hand, even so late that there’s no way they’ll make it across before intersecting traffic has the green. As a walker I’m careful not to do this myself, which sometimes calls for hurrying up so as to avoid causing anyone inconvenience. It’s particularly annoying when I’m cycling and properly waiting for my green, and I really want to get out in front of the traffic at the light behind me, right after it changes, for safety and visibility purposes, but a late-to-the-scene pedestrian blocks my way.

    That said, I consider this an annoying behavior, no more, and an annoyance that everyone on the street should be alert to, anticipate, and deal with. Even on right-of-way grounds, you don’t have right-of-way until the intersection clears, whatever the reason it isn’t clear yet.

    I also understand that seniors are likely slower than I am and particularly may have more trouble hurrying than I do. They may not have reasonable alternatives to getting caught out like this, at least sometimes.

  19.  

    JudenChino

    FYI: if you bring your bike on the ferry you get sniffed by the dogs.

  20.  

    Joe R.

    A lot of the gun accidents are due to improper training. I’m not of the same mind as the NRA who thinks any yahoo should be able to carry a firearm. I think just as with getting a driver’s license, people should have to first demonstrate proficiency with their firearm of choice, and take a safety course. That would cut down dramatically on the gun accidents. A carry license would be yet more training, similar to what a law enforcement officer might need to go through. Given these stipulations, you probably wouldn’t have a proliferation of guns anywhere, but you would have enough for any would-be criminal to think twice.

    All kinds of factors determine crime rates. I’m still a big proponent of the lead in gasoline theory being responsible for at least some percentage of the most violent criminals.

  21.  

    JudenChino

    Aren’t the uptown cross towns (that go through the park) essentially express (or limited, I suppose is the appropriate term) buses anyway? You don’t have many stops on each side of the park (6 at most?) and then the park itself is a big express point.

    Otherwise, wouldn’t it be practically a shuttle? York/92nd, Lex 86, 5th/86 and CPW and Bway and 86th?

  22.  

    Bolwerk

    I doubt gun liberalization impacts crime much, one way or another, though it probably positively correlates to higher incidences of firearm-related crimes (at least a little).

    It’s just that gun accidents resulting from proliferation of guns probably overwhelm any safety you gain or lose from carrying. Crime is higher in cities than rural areas, but rural people accidentally kill themselves or their family members way, way more – both because of guns and cars!

  23.  

    lop

    Or download a dictionary.

  24.  

    Joe R.

    That’s a gray area for me. I’d prefer we didn’t have it. In fact, I’d prefer we had no cellphone coverage at all in public streets or sidewalks (except in designated “talk spots” where people talking are out of the way of people who need to get where they’re going). That said, at least in a station I have the option of walking away from someone whose yapping starts to annoy me. I may not have that option on a crowded, moving train.

    Was there actually some point here? We all get it-you’re a big proponent of mobile devices. And I agree they have their place in today’s world, but not on subways, especially not on trains. People are entitled to not be disturbed by other people having loud conversations when they’re riding public transportation. That’s the crux of the matter. Should I be allowed to urinate or take a dump on the subway? That’s probably a bigger “need” than being able to use a cell phone but it’s not allowed for obvious reasons.

  25.  

    Bolwerk

    Come on, this is really shoddy work. You’ve been name-calling all along, “genius,” and now you’re holier-than-thou about it? Weak!

    Your comment history strongly implies you’re too smart to be making comments this dumb. You owe us your A-game!

  26.  

    Tyson White

    So you’re against having service in the stations too?

    Folks, I think I’ve made my point. No need to get your panties in a bunch. Moving on to other streetsblog goodies

  27.  

    Joe R.

    Easy solution-walk to the next car and use the intercom to inform the conductor there’s a gunman on the train so police will be waiting next station. Remember the gunman will only be on one side of the train car. People on the other end can easily move to another car to call for help.

    Mr. Goetz? I admire him for what he did, but I’m not him. If NYC had sane carry laws, he never would have been prosecuted. For that matter, if NYC had sane carry laws, I highly doubt crime ever would have gotten as out of control as it did.

  28.  

    Joe R.

    His point (and mine too for that matter) is we’ve done without these things from the time the subway was built. People aren’t going to be irreparably damaged if they can’t look up the meaning of a word between stops. Heck, I’ve had interruptions of my Internet service during the last two months where sometimes I would have no service all day. It was annoying, but certainly not the end of the world. And note that I use the Internet a lot for business. If someone who uses the Internet for business can deal with 8 or 10 hour gaps in service, surely someone using it for pleasure can deal with gaps in service as the train travels between stations.

  29.  

    Tyson White

    Welcome, Mr. Goetz. Long time!
    But I’d still love to have a cellphone to dial 911.
    Or, I’d like to be able to call the police so they can be waiting at the next station when the train rolls in.

  30.  

    qrt145

    Is there any official list or map showing which roads will retain the old 30 mph limit?

  31.  

    Tyson White

    Lol, yes. I can see that….

  32.  

    Joe R.

    Gunman standing by the intercom? This isn’t the 1980s or 1990s. Also, I should point out if things ever got that bad again, quite a few of your fellow citizens will be packing, legal or not, just for their own protection. Lots of people I know used to carry around guns back when things were bad. So in that scenario if your hypothetical gunman standing by the intercom tried anything stupid, he might well be pumped full of lead by “concerned citizens”. Screw cell phones. A nice Glock with a 19-bullet clip is a better thing to have for many of your so-called emergencies.

  33.  

    Tyson White

    Hysterics is when you can’t answer to the issue, so you resort to name calling, and accusing people of being “right-wing” (lol where did that come from?).

  34.  

    Bolwerk

    ^ I can’t tell if this commenter is stupid/insane, trolling, or simply a not-very-clever satire of right-wing hysterics. :(

  35.  

    qrt145

    Not a genius, but I live in the real world and not in a world paranoid delusions.

  36.  

    Tyson White

    There are hundreds of track fires. Are you also an emergency management expert genius? Do you have a list of all the scenarios that have happened and will ever happen in the Subway?

  37.  

    walks bikes drives

    Or the Post.

  38.  

    Tyson White

    No, I never said the cellphone will save you, genius. But with it you can call for help.

    The best part of having cellphone service on the train is that if the conductor is shot by a gunman I will simply be able to call you and follow your advice as to the “established procedure” when I’m helpless and in a panic and forgot what to do. Thank you!

  39.  

    Tyson White

    Um…. a gunman… yes, a gunman standing near the intercom. Would you mind if someone at the other end of the car dials 911?

  40.  

    Tyson White

    You some sorta expert in emergency management? Who’s at the other end of the intercom? Are there police and fire waiting at the subway station?

    Give me a break with “we’re so caught up in our cellphone usage”. Are you the social police? Do you decide how people should live? You’re free to be quaint with your own life, but people actually do great things with mobile devices (like read books and have access to look up a word if they need to without waiting for the next station), and they’re free to choose how little or how much they want to use them without getting approval from you.

  41.  

    Bolwerk

    Nothing about cell phones on trains will save you in an emergency. Either the train is trapped, which the crew can figure out themselves, or someone is sick so you need to get to the next station anyway. In either scenario your best bet is to follow established procedure and seek a conductor’s help, and s/he has the most ready means to direct emergency services to the nearest safe stop.

    (I don’t care one way or another about cell phones on trains. But they aren’t saving any lives.)

  42.  

    qrt145

    When and where did this fire happen? I asked for an actual example, not a hypothetical.

  43.  

    Tyson White

    Um, a fire. lol
    One that takes out your intercom system…

  44.  

    qrt145

    Name one actual example of an emergency that couldn’t be addressed effectively because of lack of cellphone coverage in the tunnels. One.

  45.  

    walks bikes drives

    the benefit to using the intercom system is that the emergency call does not have multiple middlemen as a call to 911 in the subway would. secondly, how many emergencies in the subway are there that require full cell phone coverage? we are so caught up in our cell phone usage, that we don’t remember life without it. and you can read books and newspapers on your cellphone without having continuous coverage. You open a newspaper article at each station, where you download the book before you get on the train.

  46.  

    Tyson White

    Really?? Are you happy to relegate people in an emergency in a Subway tunnel to the emergency string or an intercom as their only option?

    What “talking loudly on the phone”? People are mostly using phones and tablets to read news and/or books. Would you ban reading books and newspapers in the Subway cars?

  47.  

    Bolwerk

    A healthy dose of anti-Queensway, pro-transit agitprop in Gothamist today!

  48.  

    Bolwerk

    Hmm, that it costs a lot relative to the distance seems like a meritorious criticism to me, and I guessed you were talking at least mostly about the park. Still, crossing the park plus a block or two is probably about the distance an able-bodied bus rider expects to go in Manhattan before either getting to his/her destination or transferring to the subway even ignoring that many/most riders must be taking on one leg of their trips by bus.

  49.  

    Ian Turner

    Metro Magazine featured subway wi-fi on its cover page (not online):
    http://newyork.metro.us/digital_launch.aspx?eid=0998fbf6-3fd8-4d8b-a2fc-9d51c7f2e70d

  50.  

    dporpentine

    Insofar as my original comment had enough merit to make it worthy of further discussion (and I don’t see much of an argument for that), I was mostly just focusing on one part of the trip: crossing the park. And comparing that in my head to the Nostrand Ave. SBS, which goes quite a substantial distance.

    Like going north and south in Brooklyn, crossing the park and traveling crosstown generally has always seemed a real weakness of the city’s transit system. I’m glad those are being addressed.