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    The state liquor authority has named and is investigating the bar (see 5th headline).


    Larry Littlefield

    Either that or NYC needs to take over the bus and paratransit system (the counties run the other bus systems in the MTA region), leaving the Metropolitan Transit Authority to concentrate on rail, as I suggested.

    The buses run on city streets, and Cuomo is not responsible for those. Improving bus service thus involves both a city agency and a state agency, at a time when the leaders of those agencies are feuding.



    Fifth Avenue from 60th to 33rd should be 2 bus only lanes (22′) with remainder of current roadway (about 48′) reallocated to 1) expanding sidewalks by 20′ each side. 2) 8′ PBL



    Come ride the Bx12 SBS and tell me that bus ridership is declining. It’s a rush hour 6 train on rubber tires 12-14 hours a day.

    The local buses really are terrible, though. I think half the reason why the bus system is so poor is because it’s viewed by some in the political class as a system of last resort (for the poor/elderly/disabled) that only exists to meet ADA mandates.



    That’s depressing but believable. I guess I don’t know enough journalists to say. Anyway, either I skimmed way too quickly before or Streetsblog updated with DNAinfo’s article about the State Liquor Authority investigation.


    Larry Littlefield

    If cops aren’t better than most people, we’re in trouble. It is an expectation we, and they, need to have.

    They are certainly paid a hell of a lot more than most people, the cost of their pensions included.

    They don’t have to be the smartest, or the strongest, or the fastest, or the nicest. But it is reasonable for people to expect that the police officers are those with the most personal integrity.



    > fwiw, the Whiskey Brooklyn bartender had every expectation that their customers would not be driving.

    “The ABC law prohibits the sale, delivery or giving away of an alcoholic beverage to an intoxicated person. There are no exceptions to this law. Regardless, of whether a patron is driving or has other means of transportation to or from your establishment, you must cease sale/delivery of alcoholic beverages to that patron if he/she displays visible signs of intoxication”.



    I think Jetsetters and business people are driven.
    Its probably more the suburban, professional demographic.



    The State Liquor Authority investigation is really odd. Is there a team of investigators there looking into every drunk driving arrest? fwiw, the Whiskey Brooklyn bartender had every expectation that their customers would not be driving. According to Google Maps, the bar is a 6 minute walk to the L train, and a 3 minute walk to the B46 stop. Plus, it is Williamsburg.



    I guess people on LI haven’t heard about the Q70 to the degree that city residents have.
    Of course, I have no idea how many LIRR trains stop at Woodside – just that all go through there.



    Most journalists can’t believe cops aren’t dispassionate enforcers of the law, and journalists are the people with their ears to the ground. My take is cops are basically human. Not so different from most people, and most people given unchecked power will abuse it. So of course they don’t eat their own. But most people, especially those in power, elevate cops to an angelic status.



    You know who does it? Jetsetters, business people, and the political class. That’s probably why LaGuardia can’t be given either a sane upgrade, which means subway access, or the dignified death it deserves. Those people don’t want to drive to Teterboro or some airport in Long Island or Westchester. Certainly some of them also prefer not to take subways themselves, and don’t like people who do. And the ones who are indifferent enough to transit to deign to allow it to exist take the usual cheapskate penny-wise/pound-foolish approach of “meh, a bus is good enough.”



    I’ve never even heard of anyone driving themselves to LGA and parking.

    If you go to
    You can see the current utilization of the parking lot. As of this posting, P4,5, and 6 are 99%, 87%, and 96% full, respectively.

    In fact, if you look at the rates, parking at LGA is more expensive than parking at JFK. Keep in mind, LGA serves not just the 5 boros, but Long Island and southern CT as well.

    Taking Long Island as an example; if you’re going to JFK, you can park at an LIRR station and take the train to the airtrain (this might increase your travel time by 30 min vs driving; not too bad), but if you want to go to LGA… you’re either driving or taking a cab unless you live off the Port Washington line, as the only LIRR train to go anywhere near it doesn’t connect to Jamaica.

    Since your choice becomes your car or a cab; the only question is how long your trip is, and whether it makes sense to pay a cabbie or pay for long term parking. The break even point on that is typically 4-5 days, which likely covers a lot of trips, so: plenty of people drive in to LGA and park, since it’s the cheapest way to get there.



    Hang on, is it the red zone or the white zone that’s for loading and unloading only?



    A few things to note:
    -The common refrain of ” has the absolute worst drivers!” Doesn’t really add anything. Everyone thinks that about every place.

    -This happened outside of rush hour; around noon.

    -If a crane is coming down, better to rear end someone and end up with property damage/light injuries (as seemed to happen in this case) than get crushed.


    Larry Littlefield

    “I’ve never even heard of anyone driving themselves to LGA and parking. Obviously it happens, but it isn’t the way I or anyone I’ve even known has ever gotten to that airport.”

    Me too, but someone does. I once heard that the money the Port Authority makes on parking supports the whole airport, to the point that if the agency were forced to eliminate one transport mode from the airport, it would be the airplanes.

    But the real issue isn’t the travelers, it’s the workers. I hope they ramped up bus service BEFORE the parking shutdown.



    Ugh. The CBS story even misnamed the only bus mentioned in the story.
    @kevd People from the suburbs drive to LGA and park. Even the $25.00/day parking fees come to less than the $100+/each way ride of a car service. Some Westchester people can take MetroNorth to Harlem, and then transfer to the M60 bus, but it is a long trip with a lot of bags.



    I can see where if this happened at a cop bar, it would raise uncomfortable questions for people – but it’s illegal and someone was killed as a result of this asshole’s actions. Hopefully investigators and the press are willing to follow the truth wherever it leads.



    For sure! The timelines could be compressed substantially if there was more/stronger leadership at the Mayor’s office (which could enforce streamlined coordination between city agencies and [scrap?] CB review), Governor’s office (bringing the MTA into that streamlined process), a simplified design review (both a city agency and national standards issue, which recently became more flexible in the last Transportation Bill), and decent pot of money (those painted lanes are *relatively* cheap, not absolute). All, as you said, a matter of political will that can mostly be solved at the city level. (slowly directing gaze at the Mayor’s office.)



    Three drunk driving cases per month (that have to be so serious the responding officers aren’t able to hide them) is not a problem? That’s 36 per year for a force of roughly 35,000. Let’s round it and say the NYPD has a DWI rate of 1 per 1,000.

    That sounds really damned high, considering those individuals are also carrying loaded weapons!



    I’m sure this happens in NYC too, but that’s not uncommon practice at all in the suburbs, you know. Bar owners know they make their money selling at least some of their customers levels of alcohol that are dangerous to consume when driving (perfectly safe for walking or transit though). So it makes perfect sense for them to do their best to make very nice with the police, since legally they’re accountable for what happens with drunk drivers who leave their premises (stupid as I think that is).



    I’ve never even heard of anyone driving themselves to LGA and parking.
    Obviously it happens, but it isn’t the way I or anyone I’ve even known has ever gotten to that airport. I guess one bright side to Cuomo’s plan is the removal of all parking from LGA. I guess the airtrain is to new long term lots, because drivers deserve nice expensive trains, while people already taking trains deserve crowded buses – much the way if you drive, or are driven to the Lefferts Blvd. Airtrain stop at JFK the Airtrain is free, but if you come from a few hundred feet away at the Howard Beach stop, its $5.
    (yes, the B15 goes to Lefferts too)



    I’m surprised NYC isn’t announcing enforcement against the bar where Batka was drinking before he got behind the wheel. Or even the name of the place. I’m starting to wonder if NYPD is protecting us, or protecting a bar.



    unbelievable that we allow entire sections of our city shut down on trivialities. the bad guys have won



    If bus lanes become normal lanes when the road isn’t congested, what is the point? The extra lanes aren’t needed then for cars, all you do is speed up cars, and slow down buses. If you’re willing to have congestion hour bus lanes (as opposed to “commute hour”), then should just be 24/7 lanes.



    We’re already considering a world where things operate differently lol, as DOT doesn’t operate this way either. The point is there is no engineering, financial, or technical reason that cannot happen, simply bureaucratic and political reasons, and those frustrate people because they largely see them as unnecessary, and they are partially correct.



    think he means no private cars



    I saw the paving machines parked around 102nd, it can’t be long now !!!



    okay then 42 months :)



    The open gangways lead to a better passenger spread throughout the train.

    Not to any significant degree. Loads don’t vary hugely from one car to the next (unless the next car is the car you really don’t want to be in). Nobody’s going to push and shove through multiple crowded cars in case there’s a less-crowded car somewhere else on the train. (Did anybody do this 15 years ago, when walking between cars was still legal? No.)

    When the train isn’t particularly crowded, people will certainly take advantage of the open gangways to move closer to their exit staircases if they didn’t have the chance before boarding.

    In either case, this isn’t a capacity boost, as the article claims.

    Their benefit isnt only in directly carrying passengers within the gangway space.

    There are plenty of benefits. I’m questioning specifically the claim of 10% additional capacity. The numbers don’t hold up.



    I moved from NYC to San Francisco a couple years ago. Bus service here is nothing to write home about but a major noticeable difference is how quickly the buses here offload and load passengers. You may enter and exit from any door- all have “Clipper Card” readers which can just be tapped. The bus is only stopped for a few seconds compared to NY it takes a painfully long time…


    Eric McClure

    Credit where credit is due: thanks, DA Vance, for pursuing charges fitting the crime, and winning a conviction.


    Larry Littlefield

    I live in an area with good subway service (for the moment), but sometimes use buses for some reasons. But they are excruciatingly slow, and increasingly infrequent. So the rest of the family is shifting to Uber, Lyft, car service, and paying up for it for non-subway trips.



    I’m actually on the TZB fairly regularly. It’s usually a shitshow of speeding, tailgating, and lane weaving (that is, when traffic is actually flowing beyond a snail’s place, which is only outside of rush hour).

    Your point actually does stand that if the crane is literally overhead and coming down on you, punching it makes the most sense. It could either save your skin or turn out terribly if the other motorists around you don’t do the same and you end up plowing into them.



    All good ideas. I’m was saying the lanes ARE needed later than 7. At least on the B44. 9pm would do.


    Joe R.

    I think that’s the problem. We’ll get more bang for the buck focusing on improving bus lines with a captive audience, like those in the outer boroughs. The ridership for buses in areas with good subway service is niche at best, mainly people who have problems with stairs.


    Joe R.

    Bus lanes may not be needed after, say, 9 or 10 PM but traffic signal preemption is needed 24/7. Or better yet, NYC could do what virtually every other place does and have the signals go to flashing yellow on the arteries late nights, flashing red on the cross streets. Everyone benefits from that, not just buses.



    NYC Taxi & Limousine Commission would successfully lobby against this.



    Hey, if you can get 24/7, physically separated bus routes put in place, be my guest!

    But the fact is, service can be expanded off-hours without necessarily implementing 24/7 bus lanes, because there isn’t congested traffic blocking the buses at midnight.



    unfortunately that is too big a leap for the incrementalist approach that seems to be only way things change in NYC.


    Larry Littlefield

    Perhaps the total population isn’t what’s relevant for buses.

    It is the population that would never, ever take the subway, and is over 50. That population has been dying out and bus ridership with it.

    I tried to take a bus from 70th and York at 9 pm not too long ago. It was a nightmare — I could have walked, and ended up just walking to the Lex.

    There will be a subway nearby soon.



    Well, not pennies, but yes, relatively cheap, and definitely not 36mos. Keep in mind that every single street that is altered (yes, this includes paint) must be signed off on by engineers (and many times NYFD, NYPD, DEP, and CBs). I’m not necessarily saying this system makes the most sense (especially the timeline), but it is how things currently operate, so this must be factored in.



    We need to step away from the commuter mentality when thinking mass transportation. A lot of people depend on buses at all hours of the day. They shouldn’t be forgotten. If buses ran faster and more frequently at off peak hours, they could absorb a lot of trips.



    great – make dedicated bus lanes 0600 – 2100; 365 days a year



    Good on Vance for getting this conviction. I’d be great to see local DAs get more aggressive prosecuting vehicular crimes.



    Physically separated bus lanes, off board payment, traffic light priority.

    The big 3.



    Noticed the new islands. Can’t wait until the street gets repaved.



    The Onion thought that a five-blade razor was a joke: . And then we got the Gillette Fusion. So who knows what the future will bring? :-)

    What makes clearer that the article is a joke are the details in the text: the city will replace its entire bus fleet with this one mega bus; it will have 99.99% reliability; it will have a “27-stage” fare structure; and they’ll only need to replace 12 or 13 bridges to support it…



    Walking past the Rogers ave SBS B44 lane at about 7:01 the other day, and seeing how it instantly filled with cars and that the buses were slowed considerably, made it clear that 7pm is too early a cut off. This is NY. Rush hour goes to about 8 or 9.

    7am-9pm – Mon-Fri
    9am-5pm – Sat & Sun
    Hell, Sat. nights in Manhattan can be a nightmare, too.



    The SBS M15 gets jammed up around the SAS construction really bad. Then you have illegally parked or standing vehicles in the bus lane elsewhere. Better off walking to Lexington Ave and taking the 4/5/6.