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    Simon Phearson

    Possibly, but the standard journalistic practice is to explain this in the body of the story, so that we (the reader) can evaluate the authority of the source. And, when anonymity is granted purely as a condition to get them to talk, this is typically in situations where the source is sufficiently identified as someone with an important perspective or valuable access. I have no idea why a member of the NYPD is particularly important to cite for this story.

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    Richard Garey

    Obviously, the Bronx is so well known for voting Republican. 😉 A primary reason that she lost is because she catered to self-serving socially liberal elites could give a damn about the middle and lower classes. She drove from Chappaqua right past the Bronx to kiss Brooklyn hipsters butts at her campaign headquarters. That did not go unnoticed. You can see how well that worked for her. I begrudgingly voted for Hillary only because Trump is worse. That doesn’t imply that I liked her. She was just the lesser of two evils.

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    ohnonononono

    In what ways are they “ageist”? Do they hate old people or hate young people? Serious question here.

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    ohnonononono

    Agree for sure. Staten Island is denser than Portland! What Staten Island needs though is protected bike lanes on the major streets. The local streets are low-traffic enough, but Hylan, Victory, etc are dicey.

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    nanter

    To be fair, those sources may only have been willing to talk to them off the record.

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    JudenChino

    There should still be a recognition that Citibike got thousands of people on bikes and thinking of buying bikes, that wouldn’t have happened before. I can’t imagine that the business from new people is offset by the loss of bike rental revenue? Like the guys who rent out bikes by Central Park — ok, they might be suffering.

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    Geck

    You sound amazing like a Trump voter. Enough said.

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    Charles McCorkell

    It has been one more challenge to try to overcome.

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    Charles McCorkell

    One store blamed citibike almost exclusively for their closing. I have trouble buying into that Citibike is the only cause. To mis quote Hemingway – How does a bike store go out of business Very slowly and then all at once

  10.  

    J

    I think you’re doing great work, and I support you. I’m not at all trying to be dismissive. Quite the contrary. I’m trying to provide resources to help you push for more because I think DOT routinely neglects outer areas.

    I think it’s incredibly insulting for the DOT to install a design that has been shown to provide a poor cycling environment, when they themselves have built that same design and gone back and rebuilt it (at great expense!) after it proved unsuccessful for cycling.

    DOT says they have all the money they need to do good and safe designs, so I think it’s worth pushing them to pony up and do those designs (or take the money to good good designs). The arguments I hear from DOT about why they can’t do a good design are pretty weak, and I think they all boil down to “it would be hard” or “it would be expensive”.

    This DOT is also willing to override entrenched anti-safety CBs, so I think its worth pushing them to do so, since they have a Vision Zero agenda.

    I don’t live there, and I can’t go to meetings, but I can help illustrate good designs and help you push back on DOT excuses for poor design.

    If you think that makes me a troll, that’s your right, but I’m trying to help you do good work and hopefully get even better results.

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    ohnonononono

    Yes, also the Smart cars are replacing the 3-wheeled Go-4 Interceptor scooters. The scooters are smaller and have governors that max out at 35mph. They’re going from smaller vehicles that travel slowly to larger vehicles that they’ll be able to drive faster, so the idea that this is “cute” and a “conversation starter” and somehow more environmentally friendly is quite some PR spin.

    And the addition of AC in these vehicles mean they’ll likely be speeding down sidewalks and park paths with the windows up all summer.

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    Charles McCorkell

    I would like to see some solid research. I know one of the shops that went out in 2014 blamed Citibike. I think Citibike is one more cut in a death by a many cuts. My own numbers show a drop in rentals, JRA repairs (just riding along) and in entry level commuter bikes sales.While this is less then 1% of my sales it does represent a fairly profitable segment of my business. Smaller shops relying heavily on this part of their business will be the most hurt.

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    Joe R.

    Once you start expanding into the outer boroughs it’s not a question of how far you are from the central core in Manhattan, but rather how far you are from major job/population centers in that borough. You may well end up with gaps in between the Manhattan central core and covered areas once you do this simply because some areas in between aren’t feasible to cover. The idea that you always needs complete coverage all the way to Manhattan before you expand outwards doesn’t always make sense.

    Incidentally, I’m not even sure when/if the Queens Boulevard redesign is slated to reach Forest Hills. For what it’s worth, what has been done already is a good first step, but to me it’s not something which is going to make the cycling experience on Queens Boulevard worlds better. You’ll still have the many very long light cycles, you’ll still have poor pavement conditions (unless they plan to address this), you’ll still have significant amounts of traffic crossing the bike lane going to or from the main road. Queens Boulevard would have been a great place to put a demonstration bike viaduct project. In fact, that may well be the logical next step if we ever can convince politicians to spend serious money on bike projects. Now once you do that, you can have bike share stations right near the exits/entrances on the viaduct, perhaps even up on the viaduct itself.

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    Richard Garey

    You are my ally? As long as Uptown residents and Bronxites play ball with the priveledged eventually one day we may hope to receive some scraps. It’s the same old story with Parks, Mass Transit, Historic Districts, etc. Bronxites are expected to play by the rules which the priveleged define. Screw that!!! The city doesn’t revolve around your worldview. All your theories make sense assuming that the world revolves around you. I am hear to break the unfortunate news that it does not and the overwhelming majority of residents in my neck of the woods would be in agreement.

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    Flakker

    “Shaming” by who? It is the supposedly mainstream Democratic party that has allowed this to happen. Obviously Cuomo gets some blame but if the Democrats were an ideological party they’d be fighting the IDC and Felder to the death in Senate primaries and sending a message that their careers were over as Democrats no matter what, and that anyone else who defected opportunistically would share the same fate. Instead they’re sitting back and allowing Klein and Felder to run the government. At this point it is the IDC that is the vital, growing force, not the mainstream Democrats.

    I shared your hate until this last election. Now I say fuck the Democrats, not the defectors. Their self-serving excuses have been justified by the evident corruption and apathy of the party.

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    JudenChino

    I don’t mean to be mean but you seem to be willfully misreading my comment. I said they need to flow outwards from the city core. The LES gets some of the heaviest usage and Williamsburg is just across the river. And Greenpoint is just next door and they also go up to LIC which is just across the 59th street bridge from Midtown.

    This is all natural growth flowing outwards from the city core. Just pointing to a zipcode and saying “that’s not dense, look how racist they are,” doesn’t make your point and makes you look like an idiot.

    Aren’t Harlem and WaHi next? The network expands outwards over time. I wish it went quicker. Jackson Heights should be the natural extension after Astoria. And South Bronx should be concurrent with WaHi and Inwood. All that said, I don’t know how realistic it would be for Jamaica Queens since it’s so far out from the core. And Forest Hills has terrible bike infrastructure though that’s changing with Queens Boulevard. But seriously, could you imagine if they had try putting in Citibike in Forest Hills without the Qnz Bouleveard re-design? It would be 100% dead on arrival and opposed by all the local pols.

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    Geck

    Which of those high density neighborhoods are contiguous with the existing bikeshare service area? Everyone on this tread would like to see bikeshare expanded to those areas but understand that it will take time and money to do so. You seem to be the clueless one lashing out at your potential allies.

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    Richard Garey

    There is a Citibike rack on the corner of Banker Street & Meserole Avenue. Please tell me how that is the “city core”. You do realize that 10451, 10452, 10453, 10457 etc are more densely populated than any zip code in Brooklyn. There are these magical places call Harlem, Washington Heights, Inwood, the Bronx, Jackson Heights, Forest Hills, Jamaica, etc where vast amounts of people live and work. Unfortunately, for the residents of those areas they are forced to pay the DOT and DDC through their tax dollars to help manage and promote infrastructure for clueless priveledged hipsters who live in low density neighborhoods. Enjoy your toys girls and boys. You are welcome!!!

  19.  

    Simon Phearson

    The Post piece also contains a piece of journalistic malpractice that I find incredibly grating, which is the unexplained granting of anonymity to police and firefighter “sources.” Sam Schwartz is on record. Nelson Nuñez, Shauna Cohen, and Kathy Levine – all apparently random citizens – are on record. But a “veteran firefighter” and a “police source” are permitted to complain about bike lanes and bus lanes anonymously, despite their not speaking about any confidential matter and only apparently about their own opinions.

    The Post is effectively enabling these “sources” to complain unaccountably about public policy. In so doing, they are acting exactly the opposite of how they should be acting, as a news organization. I don’t know why this is such a common practice in the tabs. Either it’s transparently about acting as NYPD/FDNY propaganda, or it’s simple laziness – a Post writer wanted to get an NYPD/FDNY perspective on the story they’re writing, so they just called up the same guys they always do. So the fudge the sourcing, the same way a college student trying to cite enough sources for a paper might.

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    kevd

    hardly a definitive source – but taken from wikipedia:

    “Midtown Manhattan is the largest central business district in New York City and in the world; yet Lower Manhattan, commonly referred to as Downtown Manhattan, actually represents the second largest distinct CBD in New York City and is geographically situated south of Midtown.”

    So, there are definitely differing ideas about whether NYC primary CBD is “Midtown” or “Manhattan south of 60th st”

  21.  

    JudenChino

    Yes, it’s radiating out from the city core. It needs to be part of a network. You cannot just plop it in the most densely populated zipcodes (though Citibike absolutely should make it’s way there), unless the network has already extended to that area. I used to live in the LES and I was surrounded by NYCHA housing and there are Citibikes all over NYCHA. There are Citibikes outside the Gowanus Houses and the Red Hook Houses. These are just the ones I see. Your issue is the lack of affordable housing in this city. No disagreement there. You said it was racist and ageist even. You can make your point without resorting to unnecessary hyperbole.

  22.  

    qrt145

    The problem is that “CBD” sounds so boring and technical… We need to learn from the real estate industry and come up with a silly mixed-case acronym. How about SoCPa? South of Central Park, of course!

  23.  

    bolwerk

    I actually think American public sector workers are probably more efficient on average, at least outside of legal criminal enterprises like the police. More of the problems with public sector work are related to bad job descriptions and antiquated work rules, not individual performance. Yes, YMMV, but the public sector workers are vetted and held to account. What they are actually doing, and whether it is useful/efficacious, is more debatable.

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    Joe R.

    It’s entirely plausible the cyclist who died in Laurelton was the victim of poor streets. This just underscores the need to keep the streets in good repair. I’m seeing a pretty nasty looking patch in Google maps near where this happened:

    https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6760766,-73.7457488,3a,75y,301.37h,57.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srLF-G54YvaLFkplFrwY8tA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    Now this picture is over a year old. It’s conceivable another year of weather could have caused large chunks to come out of that patch. Also, there may have been more patches in the interim. While few cyclists die solely due to street defects, it certainly can happen.

  25.  

    Richard Garey

    Look at a map of racial distribution and wealth distribution in the city core. Compare to the Citibike service area and let me know where the anomalies exist.

  26.  

    Richard Garey

    Community Board members are appointed by the borough president and typically tend to fall in line with the BP’s agenda regardless of public opinion. Fresh Direct and the demolition of PS31 are primary examples of this. The Bronx B.P. wants Citibike. In contrast to Fresh Direct and PS31, Bronxites are primarily in agreement with him. You are citing excuses that have no bearing on reality. The Citibike nimbyism stems mostly from the priveledged not the underprivileged.

  27.  

    Geck

    For transportation purposes (congestion pricing, etc.), I have always understood Manhattan below 60th street to be the CBD. Bikeshare started there and has expanded more or less outward from there (which is the logical way to build out a bikeshare system). The closest in areas also tend to be the whitest and wealthiest (housing is generally more expensive the closer you get to the CBD). But that is just the lay of the land that bikeshare necessarily inhabits. It makes no sense to include non-contiguous areas. However, efforts have been made to include places like Bed-Stuy and and Red Hook when possible. But clearly bikeshare should expand (with governmental subsidies if necessary) to more diverse neighborhoods.

  28.  

    walknseason

    Or beating/murdering Black men, or refusing to take seriously sexual assault cases, or arresting women on trumped-up sex work charges, or spying on Muslims, or anything else these people do.

  29.  

    Jared R

    Veronica Vanterpool, please help us expand Ferry service in the Hudson Valley. The MetroNorth Hudson Line is our only lifeline, and we must use a ferry to get to it and then to Grand Central. Please support this initiative. https://www.change.org/p/boost-the-economy-expand-the-ferry

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    AMH

    Seriously, there’s nothing adorable about illegally driving on park pathways and blocking the Brooklyn Bridge Promenade.

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    Joe R.

    Probably true but any way you look at it, we’re both seeing a lot of areas which were passed over for no rational reason. I get it that Citibike or Motivate aren’t charities, nor should they be. Maybe there was a calculus that a lower percentage would sign up for bike share in low-income areas. Nevertheless, if we want to make a map where bike share could work, we should just look at population and job density. If it turns out some areas might not be profitable then we start talking subsidies. We don’t just leave these areas out at the start of the planning process.

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    AMH

    Yes! Was going to say exactly the same.

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    LinuxGuy

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    Jonathan R

    Please save the trite motivational quotes for your Rotary meeting, and don’t troll Streetsblog saying you could do it better. It’s insulting.

    Are you aware that actual live advocates (like myself) read Streetsblog?

    Do you realize that your dismissive comments impugn the hard work, the unpaid work, the unappreciated work of many people to get to where we are today?

    Do you think that nearly 8 years ago, when I personally started advocating for bicycle facilities on Dyckman Street, that we didn’t have an inspiring plan?

  35.  

    Reader

    I don’t mean the people are more friendly. No neighborhood has a monopoly on being nice. I mean that our politicians and community boards tend to be more open to things like bike share.

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    Joe R.

    My guess it far too many people are making lots of money with the status quo. A real solution involving building utility conduits and also rebuilding streets to standards where they wouldn’t regularly get potholes would put all the companies which patch streets out of business. Nevertheless, it’s high time we took charge of our streets again. Letting them continue to die the death of thousand cuts is unacceptable for any first-world city.

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    Elizabeth F

    You mean “poor and brown” areas like the Upper East Side? I think a better characterization would be that bike lanes and Citibike represent change and a kind of cosmopolitan openness to outsiders. “Poor and brown” areas probably oppose it because they are afraid of being pushed out by gentrification. “Rich and white” areas probably oppose it because they want privacy and invisibility.

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    AMH

    I’ve seen only anecdotes about this (how many bike shops have opened?), but bikeshare and personal bikes do not serve the same purpose, even if there is some overlap. It would be good to see some research into the effects of bikeshare on local business (including bike shops).

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    Elizabeth F

    Staten Island has a reputation for being bone-headedly anti-bike, needlessly making life dangerous for cyclists. Why would anyone not FROM Staten Island wade into that mess to put up a bike share?

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    kevd

    I think I have a pretty good idea where you stand on these issues, and that we’re at least 90% in agreement.

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    kevd

    Flushing may be the 3rd densest, But DT Brooklyn is the third biggest in terms of jobs. Which probably counts for more.
    Not diminishing Flushing or Jamaica’s importance, just trying to not overstate them, either.

  42.  

    AMH

    Especially when it’s been done for so long in more advanced cities.

  43.  

    Joe R.

    I’ve been complaining about stuff like this myself for a long time. It’s not just the brown and poor who are often left out, it’s often the middle class outer borough residents regardless of color. For example, downtown Flushing is the third densest business district in the entire city, and yet it’s only including in phase 3 of this plan. Downtown Jamaica is easily within the top ten, and it’s not included at all. I could go on, but you’re making valid points which are going right over the heads of many here.

    Don’t even get me started on the low priority snow removal gets in non-rich areas. If anything we need it more since we have only buses or bikes to get around.

  44.  

    JudenChino

    Do you really think Citibank has zero say in where their advertising dollars go?

    Well this is a dumb question. Of course they don’t have zero say. They choose to Sponsor NYC Bikeshare. So they have a say, they said, we’re sponsoring NYC Bikeshare. So that’s their say. They don’t have a say in the locations — those are set up by DoT in cooperation with Motivate LLC; but DoT does the locations.

    It’s hard enough to get this system going — it’s just rich to see the baseless racist and ageist accusations. Not everything is racist. Probably more classist; notwithstanding massively subsidized for NYCHA residents. It has to flow out as a network from a central node. Balancing issues at the end of the service area suck already.

  45.  

    Ben Fried

    I just wrote a post about how bike-share should expand to a zone that includes East Flatbush, Brownsville, Corona, Soundview and Highbridge.

  46.  

    kevd

    Jesus.
    I feel like I’m talking to Milton Friedman here.

    Most things I am looking at call “Midtown” one business district. “Downtown” another, “Downtown Brooklyn” a third, etc. etc.

  47.  

    JudenChino

    Puhlease. The “poor and brown” areas, absent the occasional enlightened CM, are the ones that oppose Citibike (and also oppose bike lanes) the hardest. Just look at Dykman Street and improvements along ACP blvd.

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    ItsEasyBeingGreen

    That’s the generally accepted statistical definition. The Lower East Side is also more or less the locus of the existing bike network and the CBs on both sides of the Manhattan Bridge have the most cycling in the city.

    If you want a private company to deploy resources in a certain way, you have to make it worth their while. An exclusive franchise for a bike share that will be in the red in all these areas isn’t gonna do it.

    Promoting equity is not the job of the private sector, it’s the job of government. That’s why it is going to take subsidies or substantial promotion of cycling in places like Mott Haven to make it worth it for Citibike to expand there.

  49.  

    kevd

    whatever it takes to justify the diversion of public resources from the Poor and the Brown to the rich and White –
    even calling the lower east side the “CBD”

  50.  

    Ben Fried

    The CBD is Manhattan below 60th Street. After that, downtown Brooklyn is the next largest job center in the city.