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    Josh NYC

    Welcome to Vision Zero.This site condones it, now we all have to live with this mess.



    I think you mean, “how many drivers does the NYPD tackle for this?”.



    Exactly. Even when I called to give a statement (as they were not taking witness statements at the scene) I was told that maybe insurance will call me but unless the driver flees or the pedestrian dies, it is not investigated by NYPD.



    Unbelievable. These cops think it’s all about insurance, they have no understanding that they have a law enforcement role with respect to a crash like this. I hear a lot of the training and information cops get about crashes is insurance industry stuff about preventing insurance fraud.


    walks bikes drives

    We can all want and desire a complete, well built system. Fact of the matter is, if that ever does come to fruition, it is going to take time. You have to start with somewhere. While other cities might need cycling infrastructure for local errands, NYC as a while does not need this because we can walk to most errands. Commuting will probably always play the primary role for cyclists because commuting is the primary role for all transportation in NYC. Other cities, you have to drive just to go to the supermarket. Not so in most of NYC. So, build arterials for cyclists, and they can be used for commuting as well as more local riding.



    I am the “lady with a baby” who was a few feet ahead of the woman who was hit. Everything in the other witness’ account is accurate. It seemed like the driver waited for me and my daughter to cross and then floored it right behind us. We were still in the crosswalk when I heard a very loud thud and turned around to see the woman flying off of his hood. There is absolutely no way a child would have survived this high-speed hit. Is that what it will take to get a left turn light or traffic cop (some sort of improvement) to this intersection? I dreaded going through this intersection again tonight in the dark with my daughter and son. As unsafe as this intersection is, there are no safer alternatives nearby. Grand does not even have a crosswalk.

    I have contacted DOT about this intersection in the past. Apparently they are working on it, but the timeline is unacceptable. There needs to be a temporary plan in place.



    A fixation on 2-way is really stupid. Dutch, Danish, and others tossed them out decades ago except where they do not parallel motor traffic and there is space to make them exceptionally wide. A 2-way parallel to motor traffic and where it must cross junctions with other roads is quite dangerous.



    How much? Too much for me to ruin my Friday night coming up with an answer! But a glance at their report seems to say the number is well, well, well, into the eight figures at least.



    Bratton was hired because the RWA press was howling about how de Blasio would be soft on crime* and would drive NYC back to Koch era levels of social decay. Hiring Bratton didn’t really placate them either, since they still insist there is a crime wave.

    I, for one, don’t think de Blasio ever had any intention of meaningfully reforming policing. His campaign point was restraining stop ‘n frisk. One glance at his son should probably be enough to explain why he’d be concerned.

    * He is soft on police crime, obviously.



    Usually with a few tools you can life those bollards yourself. Just do it.

    Take urbanism into your own hands. Make your city a better place.


    Larry Littlefield

    Bratton was hired to ratchet down stop and frisk and save a few bucks on police without crime going up. That’s his main job.

    What is needed is to get the police out of this business entirely, and turn it over to a civil enforcement agency that starts with the brownies an includes other field.


    Joe R.

    This is just more proof the NYPD is driven more by ticket quotas than by safety concerns. Time for a Idaho stop or Idaho yield law to end this ticketing for good.


    Kevin Love

    Except when the motorist gives NYPD officers injuries so minor that they are immediately released from hospital. Then the car driver gets charged with Attempted Murder. See:

    The NYPD attitude is simple: the law exists to protect them, not us peasants.



    It resonates well. That’s a big threat when you are counting on legislators and the governor to back necessarily anti union cost cutting and lots of new revenues in five years.

    You want to finance the program with debt. Back that debt by toll revenues and you have moveny.

    How much debt is being retired over the next five years?


    Kevin Love

    I am ambivalent about whether a drunk cycling law is a good idea. I suspect that this will lead to a lot of drunks driving instead. Because they will believe, and believe correctly, that their chances of getting away with driving drunk are much higher. Because the police target cyclists but not drunk drivers.

    There are a lot of other places where drunk cycling is legal. Canada, for one.



    Where did I did say moveny solves it? I just pointed out you weren’t calculating the capital program “gap” correctly. MoveNY probably has a bigger impact than you think, however, because debt is always being retired.

    Two sets of books was a lie, anyway. That “backlash” you see is political fingerpointing.


    Kevin Love

    How about a criminal complaint to get these criminals charged with assault.



    When cops assault people on the street, publish their names and badge numbers if at all possible. Complaints usually don’t get very far, but at some point, that piece of shit is likely to injure somebody seriously, either physically or by making a false arrest. It’s good to have a public record so a pattern of antisocial behavior can be established.


    Larry Littlefield

    The question is, are they targeting pedestrians at the same location?

    I don’t just wait for the light there. I like there to be a vehicle or two waiting for it, so someone whipping around the turn will hit them and not me.

    “I’ve seen 5th precinct officers drive up that cycle path (dangerously) more than once. I’m surprised to discover they’re so concerned about safety.”

    One of the bollards on the Brooklyn side is down, I assume to let people drive on the path. It is lighted, but one of this nights a cyclist is going to crash into it.


    Larry Littlefield

    “More people are killed by subway trains than by MTA buses (50+ a year by subway trains; I don’t know the exact number for buses).”

    At least half of those are jumpers (concentrated at this time of year). A more realistic estimate of non-suicide fatalities on the subway is 20 per year.



    The problem is, if this is the “thinking big” that advocates come up with, the DOT compromise is going to be even worse. Sadly they’ll probably run with the side bikeways and half ass it, and we’ll have single-file protected lanes like on 1st Ave, with some horrible arrangement for the bus stops.

    I certainly hope that the DOT will do something about Jay Street. Am I being pessimistic when I read Trottenberg’s statements yesterday as essentially saying that they are done building the core network? That Jay Street and Christie are the bridge approaches we are going to have to live with?



    Nicely written post, Stephen:

    “The traffic signal there often plays second fiddle to the eyes and ears
    of pedestrians and cyclists, who cross when there is no oncoming

    One of the daily examples of why NYPD heavy-handed law enforcement is pone of the biggest challenges cyclists face. More here:



    This is probably the safest intersection in the neighborhood. Actually, there’s a way to know that.

    Can someone share this website with the 5th Precinct? Perhaps Mayor de Blasio could let them know about it.



    One of these on each side, at the absolute minimum.


    Eric McClure

    I think it’s really important that people not look at the report from the workshop as a “plan” – it’s absolutely not intended as prescriptive.

    What it is intended to do is to get people thinking, and to motivate action. It’s really unacceptable that no serious attempt has been made to fix what ails Jay Street, and this report, I hope, will spur the Department of Transportation to come up with a plan, or at the very least, prompt elected officials to lean on DOT to do that.



    I’d be OK with one on Delancey leading to Allen because left turns are banned for the entire distance and the bridge entrance is in the center already, but that’s the only location I can think of, and its a special case.



    It was a mistake to think that the Police Commissioner from the “no crossing 6th Ave at Rockefeller Center” era of New York pedestrian planning and formerly of Los Angeles PD was going to do anything but pay lip service to Vision Zero to get appointed.

    Was De Blasio fooled by Bratton, or were we fooled by De Blasio?


    Eric McClure

    No argument there. Building a robust and fully connected bicycle network will be key to growing cycling and improving the experience in NYC. Jay, however, is a huge funnel for commuters between Brooklyn and Manhattan, and it is incredibly chaotic. Assuming we’re not going to get 150 miles of well connected bike paths dropped out of the sky, this is one of the places I’d ix first.


    Robert Wright

    I’ve seen 5th precinct officers drive up that cycle path (dangerously) more than once. I’m surprised to discover they’re so concerned about safety.



    The traffic signal there often plays second fiddle to the eyes and ears of pedestrians and cyclists, who cross when there is no oncoming traffic.

    Yep. This is completely normal and pretty safe. Its a very short crossing and you have enough time to get across by the time a car rounds the obtuse angle turn from the bridge (requires them to slow down a lot). I sometimes see peds get in the way of cars here, but rarely, and I never see bikes do so.

    Cars partially or completely block the crosswalk or bikeway all the time though. How many tickets does the NYPD issue for this?



    What’s the best way to connect cyclists to the bridge path then?


    Mathew Smithburger

    I think it is time for the Police Commissioner to pack his bag of tricks and head off to some municipality in the middle of the country.



    De Blasio is so weak and incapable it’s not even funny anymore. Only in time will people realize how unbelievably effective Bloomberg’s aministration really was. (Hint – it went beyond changing the numbers on the speed limit signs).



    There’s a fixation on 2 way paths recently that I think is the cause of this, not a problem with people making a left from the bridge exit onto Jay. The existing ped light phase for bikes to enter Jay works a lot better than trying to do a bike-specific phase at Tillary, thats for sure.

    There probably are better ways to route to the bridge, but not without expensive construction. The existing loop is OK for now and I’d rather they used any construction money to do something about the Manhattan end of the bridge.



    Telling everyone you can solve this with moveny lets the city and state off the hook for another five years. Moveny+increased city and state funds+ cost cutting can eliminate the MTA s deficit. If you wait until 2020 to do so then you need to come up with an extra billion dollars per year. Because the billion annually from moveny would be going to debt. You can only tell the public the MTA is fixed so many times before there’s backlash to bailling them out again. If a billion in cost cutting and a billion in city+state funds is too hard now, why would three billion between the two be easier in five years after everyone thought the agency was fixed. You already hear people screaming about two sets of books. The backlash against semiannual MTA crises is growing. Setting up a big one in five years could lead to the very underinvestment you want to avoid.



    Wow. The most pointless place for a bike to sit at a red light in New York City.

    It’s also set up to be extremely awkward to make a right onto Canal from the bridge (toward Allen). Its easier to do it when you have a red than to wait for every pedestrian to clear on a green.



    Non tourists on the ferry + express bus riders is about 100k weekday trips. Operational savings from eliminating the ferry and most express buses would be significant. Increasing frequency over both with a train and cutting travel time will generate a lot of new trips and the associated economic activity.



    Why take witness statements when you have the driver there to tell you how the pedestrian was outside the crosswalk, jumped out of nowhere, darted in front of his vehicle, and is totally at-fault?



    Indeed. #wheresDeBlasio?



    Oh but then you couldn’t have that handy right turn slip lane there. You GOTTA have that slip lane or it might slow down the cars a few seconds. Geeze.



    Is the picture above backwards? Should the deadly bike lane be where the black car is? Also, does anyone know what the purpose of the sharks teeth are at this junction? You’ll see that occasionally where lights are routinely off or go in to blink mode, do they do that here?



    I take it you’ve never experienced a center running two-way bike lane?This is the one type of bike infrastructure that makes me think vehicular cycling on a busy Interstate isn’t a bad idea.



    Is the off ramp from the bridge the primary reason for not going with one-way tracks on either side? Is there a better way to route a SB bicycle & pedestrian path through this area? Under the ramp (and Bridge?) somehow?


    Ser Ponce

    “he’s waiting. And as we’re in the middle of the street, he just turns, and he starts — he just sped up. ”

    This is confusing. The peds were crossing Atlantic, so was the driver turning from Washington onto Atlantic?



    That seems about right. BTW, the Dutch will use more space for a two-way path than two one-way paths. The reason for this is that a rider who is passing another can make a safer judgement about fixed objects along a path but a moving object coming in the opposing lane is more dangerous and requires greater space. That said, I don’t think they would ever consider two-way tracks in an area like this.



    The cross sections in the pdf arent dimensioned, but they and the picture above appear to be around 8 feet total, 4 in each direction, definitely not comfortable for passing (often even uncomfortable passing someone coming the other way!). Even if its 10, that’s not wide enough.

    The Dutch minimum is 11′ for a bidirectional cyclepath, which I think is the width of Sands Street, where its comfortable to pass, or the narrower parts of the Hudson River Greenway, which is still too narrow because of its heavy use and lack of a pedestrian path.



    Any idea how wide the proposed bikeways are? They look too narrow to allow safe passing, especially for a two-way if people are expected to move in to the opposing lane to pass.



    No no, its entirely normal. Murder or attempted murder are only crimes when the weapon is not a car.



    This seems like a good way to kill a lot of bicycle riders. Center bicycle lanes are a poor idea, worse when two-way, and place bicycle riders in dangerous positions way too often. There is a reason you never see them anymore in The Netherlands, Copenhagen, and similar places.

    There is also the problem of how bicycle riders access destinations along Jay street. Rather difficult from the middle of a high traffic road.

    Shared space was a great idea but has proven a failure in The Netherlands and are all being converted to standard designs. They worked well for a few years but then cars and trucks quickly dominated leaving things worse than before they were converted to shared space. For a more recent example take a walk down Exhibition Road in London. Shared space only works when motor traffic is limited to local access only and then for only a very short distance. Any through traffic creates problems.



    To think there was a woman with a baby in the same bunch.

    Simply bizarre that the driver isn’t even arrested.