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  1.  

    Bobberooni

    The problem is, you can’t just move hundreds of thousands of people from NJ overnight. More likely will be even worse commutes and lowered property values in NJ for a couple of decades.

    I agree, it won’t make such a huge difference to NY. This is mostly NJ’s problem. Which is funny, when you consider how Christie keeps saying “I’m willing to pay for a tunnel, but everyone else has to help me out on equal footing.”

  2.  

    cjstephens

    Once again I am glad I didn’t vote for Cuomo. How many Streetsblog readers can say the same?

  3.  

    ohnonononono

    LGA is operated by the Port Authority too. If Cuomo wanted to do something with the PABT and Hudson tubes I don’t see why it’d be that much more difficult for him to take control of projects there the way he has at LGA. The PA was originally supposed to oversee the LGA reconstruction until he decided NYS would take over.

  4.  

    Ian MacAllen

    I don’t think New York will be impacted quite as much as you think. Suburbanites who want access to high paying jobs in New York will continue to suffer terrible commutes or they will move to areas serviced by Metro North and LIRR.

  5.  

    Ian MacAllen

    It should be pretty clear the problem with Cuomo is not inaptitude but corruption and greed. If only there was an independent investigator who could investigate the state for corruption — you know, something like the office Cuomo shut down after it began investigating him.

  6.  

    Komanoff

    Fun fact: In just five weekdays, the NYC subway system carries as many passengers as LaGuardia Airport handles in a year. (You can get “enplanement” data at http://www.faa.gov/airports/planning_capacity/passenger_allcargo_stats/passenger/. I doubled the LGA figure to reflect arrivals along with departures.

    Re TZB: For my toll calculations a few years back, see http://bit.ly/y5uB8j. Note, though, that the governor’s allocation of bank-settlement $$ to the Thruway Authority will reduce the future tolls I was projecting.

  7.  

    ohnonononono

    But if you’re a medallion owner, you’re losing your drivers to Uber because they can net more money with Uber during surge when fares are higher, right? Seems unclear…

  8.  

    Matt BK

    But…but…angry!

  9.  

    Bobberooni

    I agree that PABT and Hudson tunnels should be higher regional priorities than LGA. Problem is, those both involve Port Authority and New Jersey, neither of which has shown much interest in spending money wisely. Port Authority is finishing up the most expensive skyscraper in the city, plus a $4b train STATION (not transit line, just the station). And PA money that was GOING to pay for a trans-Hudson tunnel is instead being spent repairing the main connection between Jersey City and… Newark. PA is broke after hiking GWB tolls multiple times, they don’t have enough cash for anything IMPORTANT, like ensuring that people can cross the Hudson River easily.

    Sure, New York will suffer if the Hudson tubes go down and PABT sinks under the weight of delayed passengers. But most of the pain will go to NJ, whose “leaders” haven’t shown much concern about these problems.

    That said, the LGA money would probably be better spent on some other NY-side transit — 2nd Ave Subway or BRT in Rockland/Westchester counties. The Willets Point Air Train especially seems like a waste of money (although it’s money that’s earmarked for air travel stuff only).

  10.  

    Bolwerk

    If I’m not mistaken, the bonds are paid off over 30 years.

    (The Tappan Zee expects to move 500,000 people a day?)

  11.  

    Bobberooni

    New Bridge has a design lifetime of over 100 years, not 30. What’s your toll now? And in other news… what’s fare would MTA have to charge to second avenue riders to pay for the second avenue subway? The two projects have similar budgets and ridership estimates.

    Of course, none of this compares to the $4b WTC PATH station that serves only 44,000 riders/day — and doesn’t move them anywhere at all!

  12.  

    Alexander Vucelic

    back of envelope Calculation Is cost of each trip Over new Tappen Zee will be $20 !

    win other words, Bridge toll would need to be $20 to cover costs of building new Bridge over 30 years.

  13.  

    Andres Dee

    We already have devices that warn drivers that there are walkers, cyclists and motorists in the road…they’re called “eyes”.

    I was out walking yesterday and noticed a “for hire” car with a smartphone attached to the “a pillar”. Perhaps motorist excuses for left hooking cyclists and walkers would be more credible if motorists focused on what’s on the other side of the “a-pillar” instead of on the gadgets attached to them.

  14.  

    Kevin Love

    I don’t think stairbob was serious. But rather than “keep a schedule” it is better to have headway control. If the bus really is every five minutes, then there is not long to wait.

    And in a city like New York, even the most irrational bus routing (examples available upon request) should have enough demand to justify five minute headways. Any lack of demand is usually due to the bus being crappy and slow because it is being obstructed by private motor vehicles. Which is the reason to have BRT in the first place.

  15.  

    rao

    The airport thing is really dumb and the proposed train to Citi Field and Related’s redevelopment smells fishy. This governor seems “done” to me — Hopefully he’ll be indicted soon.

    As for the bridge — transit across that bridge will also induce sprawl. The least worst possible outcome would be a massive toll that keeps people from using it.

  16.  

    qrt145

    That’s magical thinking based on selective memory. But regardless of where the bus stop is, there will always be some unlucky days where you miss it by seconds.

    The only way to prevent it is to actually keep a schedule so you can plan to be there at the right time. I’m not holding my breath; the subway isn’t keeping its schedule and it already has it’s own “lanes” (aka tracks), signals, platforms…

  17.  

    stairbob

    False.

    If you arrive 5 minutes early, the bus will be 10 minutes late.

    But if you arrive 2 minutes early, the bus will be 3 minutes early.

  18.  

    Doug G.

    This should be upgraded to a parking-protected bike lane. To deal with the double-parking issue next to the C-Town between 5th and 6th Ave, DOT should either create a big loading zone there or make this a two-way path on the south side of the street between 3rd Ave and Prospect Park West.

    Let’s hope DOT doesn’t miss this easy opportunity.

  19.  

    KeNYC2030

    “Bronx Teacher on Cross-Country Charity Ride Killed By Texting Driver in Oklahoma”

    I’ll be interested in the local Oklahoma coverage of this tragedy. The Cordell (OK) Beacon’s Facebook page calls it an “accident.” You decide that looking at your phone is more important than safely operating a vehicle at speed, resulting in the end to a wonderfully promising young life, and that’s an “accident”?

  20.  

    FLYINGCHOPSTIK

    Im down. Didnt right of way group used to do this?

  21.  

    WalkingNPR

    “De Blasio Considers a Cap on Uber Fares, Not Vehicles”

    Oh good, that’ll make things worse.

    In addition to worsening congestion, which he clearly doesn’t care about, it seems to me this would make Uber more competitive with cabs, whose special interest money he does care about. Really the main reason to take a cab over Uber is if surge pricing is in effect.

  22.  

    camp6ell

    As of Sunday, they had spray painted the guidelines on 9th street, so looks like the real lines will get done this week.

  23.  

    Alexander Vucelic

    I’m in

    the publicity alone auld be worth it

  24.  

    Mike Lydon

    Traffic tape. Cheapest source we’ve found is here: http://www.colebrothers.com/stripetape/ Non-slip, reflective, easy to go down and easy to remove, which should help avoid any time at Rikers per the comment above… We use this for demonstration projects nationally and recommend that advocates stock a few roles.

  25.  

    Andrew

    English?

  26.  

    walknseason

    Transalt is a fucking joke. They are preoccupied with 5 boro rides and mandating helmets, not with making biking as an equal transportation mode.

    I’ll never again give them money after this miserable report – and I was a member for at least 3 years.

  27.  

    ahwr

    Historically you would ask how many were taking a boat. Tend not to do that when you have a slush fund (gas taxes) to pay for it instead of relying on users of the bridge to pay for it.

  28.  

    AlexWithAK

    Moreover, when those lines are repainted, they ought to be done with parking-protected bike lanes. There’s more than enough space. But they won’t be because the DOT basically assumes bike lanes are double parking lanes and the NYPD complies. Parking in the 9th St. bike lanes is chronic, especially between 6th Ave and 4th Ave. And squad cars from the 78th are often the culprits, so any hope of enforcement is a pipe dream. The whole situation is a mess.

  29.  

    AlexWithAK

    That’s like asking how many people swim across a river to find out whether you should build a bridge.

  30.  

    AlexWithAK

    Yeah, that report left me baffled.

  31.  

    Joe R.

    Probably more like a few months. That’s in addition to a six figure fine for damages and repairs.

  32.  

    DoctorMemory

    Pretty sure that unauthorized painting on the streets isn’t even slightly legal.

    I mean, it’s a good idea, just be prepared to approach it as civil disobedience and possibly spend an evening out on Rikers for it.

  33.  

    Andrew

    To JFK: 1 to 59th, then A to Howard Beach, then AirTrain. Or 2/3 to Fulton, then A to Howard Beach, then AirTrain. Or 1/2/3 to 42nd, then E to Sutphin, then AirTrain. Or 1/2/3 to 34th, then LIRR to Jamaica, then AirTrain.

    To EWR: 1/2/3 to 34th, then NJT and AirTrain.

    To LGA: 1/2/3 to 42nd, then 7 to 74th (or Woodside if you’re on an express), then Q70. Or M104 to 116th, then M60.

  34.  

    Andrew

    Yes, I assume so. So they have a sense of what it might mean for them if they had to pay more tolls. They have much less of an idea of what underfunded transit would mean; it simply doesn’t occur to many of them how many of their constituents rely on transit and aren’t directly affected by tolls at all.

  35.  

    Alicia

    I think you missed the sarcasm.

  36.  

    9th Streeter

    As Streetsbloggers may recall: Getting that bike lane / road diet implemented on 9th Street in Park Slope was such a hard fought battle. It was, in many ways, a precursor to the Great Bikelash of 2010/11.

    http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/08/ninth-street-update-roberts-rules-of-order/

    People worked so hard to get that and we only got it after four pedestrians — that’s right, two little boys, an elderly woman and another person — were killed on 9th Street in a two or three year period. Oh, and a car went through the front door of Dizzy’s Diner on 8th Avenue and 9th Street. That street was a non-stop shit-show prior to the redesign.

    Since the road diet went in, injuries and crashes have gone way down and no one has been killed on 9th Street as far as I know. And, of course, none of the opponents vehement predictions of doom ever came true.

    It’s such an insult to the community and the activists who worked on this project that Polly Trottenberg and Bill de Blasio’s DOT is letting this languish. Here are two of the boys who were killed on 3rd Avenue and 9th Street in case anyone has forgotten…

    http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/08/29/brooklyn-traffic-calming-mural-unveiled/

  37.  

    Miles Bader

    Can’t somebody just run over Cuomo? No way would you ever be charged with anything…

  38.  

    walks bikes drives

    It’s so exciting! I just, today, saw ANOTHER traffic counter on Amsterdam at 96th street. Yay!

  39.  

    hellskitchencyclist

    HOW ABOUT A TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES/STREETSBLOG PUBLIC ART project/repainting the bike lines. How hard can it be?

  40.  

    ahwr

    95k trips on the locals, 34k trips on the express buses per day. How many bike trips per day is typical for SI?

  41.  

    Bolwerk

    With a dedicated lane, most unreliability should disappear. Evenso, unreliability is almost never in favor of a faster trip. 5 minutes late might be normal variance, but anymore than 2 minutes early is probably very unusual.

    My anecdotal experience is that more than a minute or so early is almost unheard of. That goes for M15 SBS or slow backwards lines like the Q39.

  42.  

    Joe R.

    Except for the fact that other than the first stop the schedules are generally unreliable. Most people who take the bus don’t even know or look at schedules. The just get to the bus stop when they get there. That’s even more the case if they’re transferring from another bus or the subway.

    Ideally there would never be so much car traffic that you couldn’t cross the street whenever you want. That would even make buses suck less. But this is NYC. We refuse to do anything at all to discourage driving. Perhaps a good idea would be to put in pedestrian tunnels just so people can get across in time if their bus is arriving.

  43.  

    knisa

    Nobody rides the buses on Staten Island. They need to replace the bus lanes with more practical super-expressways for our private automobiles.

  44.  

    Bolwerk

    You probably have nearly 100% odds of not missing the bus if you arrive even 2 minutes before its scheduled arrival. :-p

  45.  

    Joe R.

    A miserably hot day like today actually make a good case for also having something like this in fall, spring, or even winter. I was dying just taking in the garbage pails. Couldn’t imagine wanting to do anything where I would be out for a while.

  46.  

    Joe R.

    Same here. A big argument against center running is what happens if the bus is coming and you can’t physically get to the bus stop because of car traffic? You end up missing your bus. Granted, that’s also the case if the bus stop happens to be across the street. However, in the case of center running you face this situation regardless of which direction you’re taking the bus. At least with side running you have 50% odds of not missing a bus due to heavy car traffic.

  47.  

    Bolwerk

    It can serve Woodhaven origins and destinations quite well. The walking distance to Woodhaven is about 1.3 Manhattan long blocks. That doesn’t make a lot of sense when the origin and destination are both on Woodhaven, but it does make sense when one is on Woodhaven and another is, say, in Midtown East. Analogously, the Lex probably doesn’t make a lot of sense when the origin and destination are both on First Avenue.

    I’d say a one-seat subway ride to Manhattan trumps a bus ride to a subway for a longer-distance trip, especially if you’re going to need to transfer again in Manhattan, and vice-versa for a bus. Why not have both?

  48.  

    Bolwerk

    I generally prefer the side lanes (I can see arguments for exceptions, maybe Woodhaven is a good one). Side running is generally better for accessibility and I think most of the problems can be mitigated by limiting right turns or pretty basic enforcement.

  49.  

    BBnet3000

    Talk now is to implement BRT at nearly light rail prices.

    Well, that’s New York for you. If they wanted light rail it would be at elevated train prices and if they wanted an elevated it would be at subway prices. For a subway line, expect space exploration prices.

    If the Rockaway Line can’t serve Woodhaven destinations what exactly would it serve? There is a reason they shut it down in the first place.

    If you wanted to go to Southern Queens from anywhere except Northern Queens why wouldn’t you just take the A train to begin with? Indeed, why wouldn’t you take the bus on Woodhaven, which is very well ridden today despite being a normal bus line with slow fare collection.

  50.  

    BBnet3000

    Actually, the Faithful think: […] SBS isn’t Real BRT™.

    Even the best SBS lines still run in side lanes with lots of parking and turning conflicts, and it seems like the trend is toward newer lines except for Woodhaven being just regular bus lines with offboard fare collection.