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    I feel BRT along rail rapid transit is necessary because of capacity issues on existing lines. This bus would absorb local trips if efficient.

    As for the centerline park, Pelham and Mosholu Parkway come to mind.



    Ohhh – I was wondering about Nfn too.

    Thank you for covering these, Streetsblog. The deaths of Ervi, Sincere, and Amelia on our streets hit me pretty hard. It’s unconscionable to see these lives lost with so little comment from our local pols.

    I miss the weekly memorials that used to run here. Lots of good news this week, but it’s hard to come to terms with the death of a U.S. Navy vet, right after his idiot state senator Savino made her ‘it’s an accident, who cares’ comments.


    Andres Dee

    God bless the college students. But remember what Jane Jacobs said about parks. A “linear park” along QB will get as much use by people on foot as the median of the Thruway. And before running bus lanes on QB, recall that just below the street surface is an honest-to-God rapid transit line. Better to invest in making every station accessible.


    Fakey McFakename

    Or were there no amendments in the Senate?


    Fakey McFakename

    I’m not sure the Bill has been validly passed. According to the legislative website, it was “returned to the assembly” after the Senate passed it, but I don’t see any sign that the Assembly concurred in the Senate amendments. Am I wrong?



    Not newfound at all. They’ve expressed the same point about changing routes to reduce dangerous turns at every opportunity during the Right-of-Way Law fight. In fact, in saying they support Vision Zero in principle, they pointed out that this was one of the easiest ways to reduce bus-pedestrian crashes.

    Of course, if the TWU hadn’t wasted all their political capital acting like petulant children instead of mature adults, maybe more people would’ve known this.



    Salami slicing our way to progress. Don’t go for the whole banana. LOL.

    For the drivers opposed to it the politicians can say, “Well, it’s experiential, only 5 years, and if it doesn’t work out …

    To the rest of they’ll say, “We made a big step, more than doubling the coverage. We’ll take another look after more SBS routes are actually implemented …

    Much worse has happened. This seems pretty good progress considering who we working with in Albany.



    Well, it doesn’t remove any parking places, so he might let it thru.


    Joe R.

    I do the second thing. No sense tempting fate when police are around. One time I saw the cops in a police are on the other side of the street do a double take when I stopped and waiting for a light at 3AM. I don’t think they would have ticketed me for rolling through, but I would rather not test this theory. I also tend to avoid routes where there are likely to be lots of police in the first place.

    It seems to me anyway most of these bike crackdowns are either in Manhattan, or parts of Brooklyn/Queens near Manhattan. I don’t hear much about this kind of stuff further out in the boroughs. I’m guessing it’s partly because there aren’t as many cyclists. It would be slim pickings for the police where I live most of the time.


    Joe R.

    There’s “good” and “bad” noise. I actually don’t mind the sounds of lots of people on foot getting around, talking to each other, etc. That’s part of the appeal of a city which is something lacking in suburban sprawl. An occasional bus or train doesn’t bother me either since it’s intermittent. Same thing with twice a week garbage pickup. These are all facts of life living in a big city. Granted, the city should transition buses and other heavy vehicles to electric for a whole host of reasons, including noise reduction, but these things aren’t that big of a deal.

    “Bad” noise is anything which is a constant din, or frequent loud bursts. Typically that’s either a constant level of car traffic, cars honking, or airliners flying overhead. Where I live you also have gas-powered gardening tools used by landscaping companies. None of these things belong in or are compatible with a big city. Indeed, the point of this entire blog is to reduce car use in urban areas. Airliners aren’t much better. They mostly serve the elite (either the wealthy who travel a lot or frequent business travelers). Much like automobiles in a city, few benefit from them but everyone shoulders the negative externalities. So yeah, Jonathan R.’s complaints aren’t totally off-base here. Why shouldn’t at least residential areas of the city be a relatively quiet sanctuary? Sure, the occasional bus is fine, but for health reasons we need to reduce noise levels. More use of bikes would be a great thing. Even with heavy bike traffic, all you hear is a gentle whoosh of air if you’re near the bike lane but virtually nothing from further away.


    Joe R.

    I agree about the noise BUT at least on blocks with private homes one of the biggest sources of noise and pollution are those infernal gas-powered leaf blowers and trimmers gardening companies use. If NYC wants to significantly improve the quality of life for residents, it should ban commercial use of gas-powered gardening tools, and mandate maximum noise levels for electric ones. And frankly, I couldn’t care less if these regulations put some gardening companies out of business. Most of them employ illegals at sub-minimum wage. It’s a lousy job for these people which cause them to ruin their health breathing in all those fumes. Also, isn’t part of the point of owning your own home the joy of gardening? It’s not like city residents have half acre lawns. A simple push mower is really sufficient for mowing most of the lawns I see. A hedge trimmer takes care of the shrubbery. It’s not a difficult task to keep a small yard in shape.

    Another major noise source where I live, also over large tracts of Queens and Brooklyn, are airplanes. Flight paths should be diverted so planes never fly over populated areas at altitudes low enough to cause noise. Even better, shut down LaGuardia and relocate Kennedy to a man-made island maybe 10 miles out to sea. For security reasons it’s not a good idea have what are essentially flying bombs going over the largest population center in the US.


    Jonathan R

    I am assuming that the relative absence of “vehicles whizzing by” was part of the reason these folks bought homes on a two-block long street.

    I am a confirmed city dweller, but I don’t like it when garbage trucks and tour buses drive by my building, because they are noisy. I happen to prefer quiet to noise; is that so unreasonable for me, or for the Ramos family? That’s one big benefit of bicycles, in fact, that they operate quietly in a crowded city.

    As far as the “significant improvement in public safety,” it seems to me from reading Streetsblog that the proximate cause, bus drivers’ willingness to turn blindly into crosswalks, has not yet been definitively addressed. This kind of proposed routing is just a workaround.


    Alexander Vucelic

    stop the kindermord



    Nothing absolutely nothing. Cuomo has shown to be reasonable and will doubtlessly sign it quickly.



    Vision Zero Change



    Also, LOL at TWU and its newfound sensitivity to the concerns of the community.



    Congestion pricing…



    And how does not ticketing drivers along this stretch help bus riders?



    They wanted to be “away from transportation” yet bought houses a block away from Myrtle-Wyckoff? LOL. Surprised the noise of the trains doesn’t keep them up at night.



    What could go wrong?


    Ferdinand Cesarano

    And we’re also safe targets because we’re a marginal, and largely despised, group. No one in the idiot media is going to take our side as they would do if there were a ticketing blitz against drivers, whose interests are taken for granted to be identical to the general interest. Instead, the media are morely likely to play into the existing dislike of us on the part of the general public, and to work to exacerbate that dislike.



    Didn’t know that the MTA and DOT preferred stationary rather than bus-mounted cameras. I think this is a good thing, much more intimidating and definitely makes you want to stay out of the bus lane.

    Good to see that this bill also introduced weekend camera enforcement. Hopefully the next bill will allow for 24/7 implementation.

    More importantly however, where are the additional proposed SBS routes? I thought that several would be established per year at this point? So many routes could use SBS implementation.



    How many bike lanes is the city downgrading or removing to celebrate?



    “For some people, their name is a single word, known as a mononym. This can be true from birth, or occur later in life. For example, Teller, of the magician duo Penn and Teller, was named Raymond Joseph Teller at birth, but changed his name both legally and socially to be simply “Teller”. In some official government
    documents, such as his driver’s license, his given name is listed as NFN, an acronym for “no first name”.”



    I didn’t “push back.” I mentioned the solution to the problem, probably the only one that could be effective to all stakeholders involved.

    And no, there is no slippery slope fallacy in my example. As it stands, traffic law specifies when you can enter a bus lane and how. You can’t, as a single-occupant vehicle driver, enter HOV/carpool lanes on highways just because there’s a traffic jam either. Conveniently being able to physically do something doesn’t make it legal.



    It’s more simple theft than extortion. Whether they want easy money or not, they could go after litterers, noise, speeders, horn honkers, or numerous other anti-social activities that actually do impact people’s lives.

    They probably aren’t going after cyclists specifically because cyclists are any easy source of money, but I doubt it hurts. More likely they perceive, rightly or wrongly, cyclists to be young, naive, and not too street savvy.


    Ben Fried

    So they can hold it over the city’s head again in 5 years.


    Kevin Love

    Why only five more years? We’ve had the trial. Time to make it permanent.



    Cyclists killed zero people, so it looks like NYPD’s enforcement efforts are working!



    How many were killed by red-light running bicyclists on Chrystie & Jay Streets?



    I live next to a bus stop, and it’s really not that noisy. Cars blaring their stereos are far worse. At any rate, a minor annoyance is more than acceptable in exchange for a significant improvement in public safety.


    Alexander Vucelic

    or 10 mins by bike :)



    You live in a city. There will be noises. I’ve lived on a bus line before as well. You hear it. Then . . . after a while, the sounds fades into the background and you get used to it.

    If they want space and silence, then they should move to Long Island instead of trying to cram suburban life into a city environment.


    dave "paco" abraham

    Yeah… the noise of the bus is bad, but the sounds of vehicles whizzing by is music to the ear. C’mon, this is a city. If you want to be away from noise and transportation, there’s plenty of suburban sprawl to call home in other parts of the country.



    This is the ultimate in NIMBY. I’d rather see people crushed under buses than have the inconvenience of the publicly owned street in front of my house used by somewhat noisier vehicles.



    According to DOT, cyclists “must ride bicycle on the right side of the roadway” except that “bicyclists may use either side of a 40-foot wide one-way roadway.”


    Aunt Bike

    I think one could argue that if it’s common for people to get killed on that road with the 40 mph design speed, maybe there was a mistake in that design speed.



    He wasn’t even trying to turn left. I think he just wanted to get to the next red light 5 seconds faster.



    Those Access-A-Ride drivers are the worst. They drive extra wide vehicles like they’re looking to create additional customers.


    Jonathan R

    Well, many years ago I lived on Bergen Street near Bond St, and the noise from the buses that ran along Bergen Street was noticeably unpleasant. Lucky for me I rented, and could leave with a month’s notice. It’s been on my list since then of potential negative features of places to live, “Don’t live on a bus line.” If I was like Ramos and had bought a house, only to have MTA drop a bus line in front, I would be ticked off too,



    Who the fuck are these people? If you want to live in a gated community, go live in a gated community.

    Ramos, who said he usually drives and only occasionally takes the bus or subway, said the association is considering a lawsuit against the plan. “When we purchased these properties, we purchased them to be away from the transportation. It’s not that far. It’s only a block away,” he said. “We convinced the councilman that our concerns are valid. We have lots of fear here. And we got him on board.”

    Like, why the fuck would you want to be away from transportation?


    Alexander Vucelic

    when 15-25% of your income comes from these types of rackets, it is always a motivation :)



    And how about looking at the Henry Hudson Bridge? The photo-toll system has eliminated the need for so many lanes on the bridge’s lower level, leaving plenty of space for a Jersey Barrier-protected 2-way bike lane. Currently, cyclists have to dismount and walk their bike on the narrow pedestrian path or face ticketing.



    I thought you were always supposed to ride on the left side on one way streets (so you are more visible to drivers). On very wide streets, cyclists are permitted on both the left side and the right side.



    One could argue that enforcing a 25 mph speed limit on a road with a 40 mph design speed is “easy money” as well. Of course the difference is that the speeding violation actually threatens lives, whereas the specific bicycle violations NYPD is targeting do not. Either way I wouldn’t focus so much on the revenue generation aspect, as I doubt this is the motivation.


    Aunt Bike

    District Attorney Vance (who I think is in a position to judge the legal aspects of this bill) is saying this, not Mayor de Blasio.


    Alexander Vucelic

    it’s easy money

    extortation is precisely what the road pirates are engaged in. ‘Give me money or we’ll send Pantelano to strangle you’



    That, and avoid streets with bike infrastructure and/or heavy bike traffic.



    Until we have a more rational system that acknowledges that cars and bikes are not equivalent, the best defense against tickets is to follow the law. The second-best defense is to follow the law when there are police around.



    Some interesting comments on that article. Also police are apparently pulling over drivers for going slowly in the park rather than for speeding.