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  1.  

    chekpeds

    Do you really think a frat 89 years old pedestrian would be outside the crosswalk? Seniors are petrified of crossing the street and usually stay carefully with the light and in the crosswalk believing erroneously that the law protects them … Better check all the cameras..

  2.  

    chekpeds

    Indeed another option is the “Raised Pedestrian Crossing ” that just got $ 250,000 in funding in the Participatory budget in CB4.. https://youtu.be/_hcof-v4_a4 – If cars have to slow down before they turn , they will not kill pedestrians.

  3.  

    chekpeds

    Daylighting essentially removes parked cars and free up enough space to create a turn lane, the same prerequisite to give turning cars their own turning phase, and pedestrians their own crossing phase. So if you remove the cars, no need to settle for daylighting which still relies on a driver yielding to pedestrians, let;s get split phases – as Polly Suggest – that puts everyone in their places as it should be .. If the hurdle is the same let’s go for foolproof ped safety.

  4.  

    Maggie

    Who would be responsible for obstruction of justice charges against the NYPD, if it came to that unbelievable extreme? Is it DoJ?

  5.  

    Joe R.

    I tend to think drastically reducing traffic volumes would be #1 on the list. Fewer vehicles means less unexpected delays or obstacles. That in turn means drivers less likely to engage in dangerous behavior just to make the next light, or gain one or two places. Also, fewer vehicles means a person crossing a street is less likely to be hit. I would put daylighting at #2, getting rid of traffic signals where possible in favor of roundabouts as #3, and redesigning streets for lower speeds as #4 since #3 would get speeds down where it matters—at intersections.

  6.  

    van_vlissingen

    So if the City Council repealed § 4-08(e) it would automatically make the state law the policy in the city? Maybe we should consider a citywide campaign to repeal this rule?
    As someone mentioned the challenge will be getting DoT to neckdown the intersections so it doesn’t lead to more speeding at intersections.

  7.  

    Simon Phearson

    I remember that, from my driving days. Those SUVs aren’t easy to see out of, either. Normally a sedan driver, I would occasionally rent an SUV and be astonished at how little I could see around me. It kind of freaked me out; I felt blind.

    Strangely, on a bike, I feel less frustrated by SUVs and pickups. They don’t block my ability to see, on a bike, as much as they did when I was in a car. What irks me are the… fine specimens of humanity… who park RVs and large commercial trucks right by intersections and driveways.

  8.  

    USbike

    The types of cars around also make a huge difference as well. Living in the south, there are SO many pick-up trucks and SUV’s everywhere. Those will block your view on a completely different level. Not only near crosswalks. When driving (a sedan) next to or behind a pick-up truck, my view will often be completely obstructed in that direction.

  9.  

    Clarence Eckerson Jr.

    I think the #1 thing we can do to accomplish Vision Zero is lower car speed limits. But right behind it at #2 is daylighting. And also, if we take back those spaces at the corners it also creates more room for people to sit, more greenery and if placed correctly to not obstruct too much view, bike share kiosks.

  10.  

    Bolwerk

    Obey the law. Obey authority.

    If the built environment kills you, make sure it’s done in such a way as *other* people’s insurance pays your funeral expenses. Have a nice day.

  11.  

    dozr

    soccer moms arent scary.

  12.  

    Joe R.

    This is analogous to the police going to someone’s house after neighbors heard a domestic quarrel, finding one person holding a gun next to a dead body, and believing a story like “Officer, my husband/wife was in front of my gun when I lost control of it and it accidently fired”. To which the police respond: “Don’t worry, we believe you. Now you better get some counseling because you must be really traumatized by such a tragic accident.”

    Replace gun with car and this is pretty much what’s going on here. Disgusting.

  13.  

    Joe R.

    It doesn’t matter if a pedestrian does or doesn’t have the right-of-way. A motor vehicle driver must make every reasonable attempt to avoid hitting a person in the street, even if they darted right in front of their vehicle. Absence of evidence that the driver at least tried to avoid hitting a person who ran in front of them, even if they couldn’t, may constitute guilt in the eyes of the law. For example, if someone darts ten feet in front of you while you’re traveling 40 mph you obviously can’t stop in time. However, if there are skid marks showing you at least hit the brake, or tried to swerve, you would likely not be found at fault unless you were going over the speed limit. If you were in fact going slow enough to stop but didn’t then you can be found at fault. You are also at fault if you start moving when someone is still in a crosswalk, even if you have the green light.

    The bottom line here is right-of-way isn’t absolute. It basically means you may proceed if you can safely do so, not you may proceed even if it means you run someone over who might not technically have the right-of-way.

  14.  

    c2check

    Daylighting intersections would be terrific; so many crosswalks are blocked by parked cars in this city.
    Ideally, as many intersections as possible should have curb extensions, not only to improve visibility, but to shorten ped crossing distances and give more space for people waiting to cross.

    http://nacto.org/usdg/intersection-design-elements/visibility-sight-distance/

  15.  

    danbrotherston

    Yeah, you’re right, murder is justified so long as the victim was jwalking. /s That’s disgusting.

  16.  

    Clarence Eckerson Jr.

    Exactly as I wrote. Just about all are good to great. That means some of them would only rate good. One or two of the ten not even that.

  17.  

    Sean Kelliher

    Robert Cornegy, Jr., (featured at 2:30) has signed on to Int 0663-2015 that, if passed, will weaken NYC’s right of way law.

    Helen Rosenthal (featured at 3:06) recently reappointed notable street-safety foe Dan Zweig to CB7 and then mocked the family members of dead pedestrians when they questioned her about it.

    In the video, you can also see Ben Kallos (like Cornegy, an Int. 663 supporter) and Ydanis Rodriguez, whose most recent transportation initiative has been trying to secure free parking for media companies.

    I don’t mean to be disrespectful to you and it’s nice that these people shine some attention on bike to work day, but I think they need to be a little more reliable before we should call them good to great allies.

  18.  

    HamTech87

    Oh please. It is a freaking side street.

  19.  

    Chicken Underwear

  20.  

    walks bikes drives

    Likely, they are saying the crimes are not worth their effort to pursue extradition. However, they can always have an arrest warrant issued and if she ever gets stopped by a police officer in any jurisdiction in the state of New York, she can be arrested, up until the statute of limitations.

  21.  

    Mathew Smithburger

    The various NYC Community Boards are essentially a cavalcade of clowns. Clowns. Now I am suggesting a system to replace these clowns. Shadow, that’s right SHADOW community boards, that shadow each subcommittee on each community board that actually tackles the issues that the community boards and their subcommitees are supposed to tackle but don’t.

  22.  

    Eric McClure

    OK, fine. In which case, Mark Levine, Robert Cornegy and Andy Cohen joined in, so the Council had a 60% year-over-year increase in Bike-to-Work Day participation. I’ll take that growth rate.

  23.  

    Brian Howald

    I’m surprised that nobody has mentioned the fact that it is illegal to park within 20 feet of a crosswalk and 30 feet of a stop sign or traffic light in New York State, according to N.Y. VAT. LAW § 1202(a) 2.

    In a manner similar to the state law regarding which side of the street cyclists must be on, New York City’s own parking laws (NYC Traffic Rules § 4-08(e)) override the state law on this subject.

    The city is providing more parking at the expense of safety by sharply limiting sightlines in the city where there is the most pedestrian traffic. Given that the state regulation is most necessary in New York City, it’s shameful that its overridden. We don’t need a new law, just to enforce existing state law.

  24.  

    Andrew

    Perhaps it is “very clear” to you that Mr. Torson was crossing outside the crosswalk, but from the photos I’ve seen, it’s not clear at all. What is clear, however, is that, if he was outside the crosswalk, he was only outside it by a few feet.

    Why did you stop reading after section 4-04(c)? How about moving on to 4-04(d)?

  25.  

    Emmily_Litella

    This is amzaing evidence. Even after being struck at a speed at which the driver could not react to a hobbling senior, the point of impact was still one car length or less from the crosswalk. Yet people discuss this as if it was someone rushing out between cars mid-block into traffic that is plausibly going the speed limit.

  26.  

    AnoNYC

    Daylighting would improve visibility substantially in intersections throughout bthe city. Doesn’t Hoboken enforce daylighting citywide?

  27.  

    Plunkitt_of_Tammany_Hall

    Despite the disingenuous claims of the article, it is very clear who had the right of way: the motorist did. New York City Traffic Rules section 4-04 (c) plainly says:
    “(c) Restrictions on crossings.
    …(2) No pedestrian shall cross any roadway at an intersection except within a crosswalk.
    (3) No pedestrian shall cross a roadway except at a crosswalk on any block in which traffic control signals are in operation at both intersections bordering the block.”
    There are signals at 61st and Second, and 61st and First. Thus, no pedestrian is allowed to cross the street on that block anywhere except in the crosswalk. No one has a right (including the right of way) to do anything when the action is explicitly prohibited by law.

  28.  

    Clarence Eckerson Jr.

  29.  

    Daniel S Dunnam

    I passed this incident soon after it occurred, and the victim was on the ground with paramedics. They were not in the crosswalk, but they were close to it. The back of the SUV was still slightly in the crosswalk, I think, and the body was a few feet in front of the vehicle. It seemed entirely possible that the person had been struck while in the crosswalk and pushed forward but I couldn’t really tell. I snapped a photo as I looked back.

    https://instagram.com/p/2sDHk1HYvj/?taken-by=danielsdunnam

  30.  

    GuamTippedOver

    So can I assume she is the wife of a cop?

  31.  

    Simon Phearson

    Agreed. Having lived, walked, and cycled in many places with daylighting being the norm, the lack of daylighting at most intersections in NYC really blows my mind. I have to cross one street when walking to my nearest grocery store that’s not at all busy, but because cross traffic doesn’t have to stop, I have to double- and triple-check that it’s safe to go, which usually requires walking into the street and leaning around cars.

    I go through the same intersection on my bike, as the cross traffic, so I see the problem from that perspective, too. I have to somehow discern whether a driver is stopping or going (as they are apt to do when the only oncoming traffic is a bike) by looking through a handful of parked cars around a building that’s flush with the sidewalk.

  32.  

    Simon Phearson

    By “fix” I think you mean, “pass a law that subsequently goes entirely unenforced.”

  33.  

    Maggie

    from the Downtown Express:
    “Hensl said that the police investigation has “moved very slowly.” It took a week and a half to run the plates, she said. The partial plate was traced to a woman in New Jersey. The police, she says, also have footage of her car on the Brooklyn Bridge.”

    Is NYPD really saying that all it takes to defeat all the counterterrorism measures we’ve installed on the Brooklyn Bridge is a car with tinted windows and New Jersey license plates?

    Or that NYPD will flood the zone with an incredible array of police resources to catch anyone who runs a silly joke flag on the top of the bridge, but they’re not up to catching a maniac who just ran over a woman on the sidewalk and another woman in Brooklyn?

    Come on guys. Fucking pathetic. SMH…

  34.  

    MattyCiii

    So the all-seeing NYPD knows the deceased’s location at the time of impact how? Because when hit by a fast moving car you don’t land near where you started.

    Oh CIS, do us all a favor and read the killer’s car’s black box, and work backwards from there

  35.  

    Andrew

    As if?

  36.  

    kernals

    Parking requirements shouldn’t apply to any housing period, if there’s a demand for parking, developers will build it.

  37.  

    MattyCiii

    “I watched him long enough to be able to characterize his gait but not long enough to stop, swerve or slow”

  38.  

    Ben Fried

    Yes, this person is ridiculing readers who are angry that a driver killed an old man, said it was the old man’s fault, and got the police to go along with it.

  39.  

    Ben Fried

    It makes sense if you’re driving a car and you’re the center of the universe.

  40.  

    danbrotherston

    Wtf, how does a driver claim that a victim “ran into my car”. I have run into cars before, and its not a fatal incident. If the victim was killed, it was the car who ran into the victim.

  41.  

    Some Asshole

    I would agree. With that, we would need real investigation. This, unfortunately, is lacking.

  42.  

    scastro87

    We must punish this traffic violence swiftly and strongly.

  43.  

    Larry Littlefield

    This is the second case in which a dead pedestrian was blamed for walking outside the crosswalk, away from the corner.

    Away from the corner ought to be safer, because the driver has more time to see — unless they are whipping around the turn or looking at their phone.

    It’s as if they are seeking an excuse to blame the pedestrian.

  44.  

    Joe R.

    Totally agree. While we’re talking about desire lines, I typically cross streets with long angular crosswalks perpendicularly, outside the crosswalk, so as to minimize crossing distance.

  45.  

    Joe R.

    There should be a blanket rule prohibiting parking within 50 feet of an intersection, better yet 75 feet on fast moving arterials. How can you safely cross a street if you can’t see what’s coming because a tall vehicle parked right at the corner is blocking your view of oncoming traffic? You can’t, nor will I place blind faith in traffic signals and risk crossing on a walk signal if I can’t see oncoming traffic. This is a fundamental safety issue. NYC shouldn’t prioritize private vehicle storage over safety.

  46.  

    Robert Wright

    The terrible, terrible visibility that parked cars create around intersections leads to all kinds of subsidiary problems. The crashes are obviously the most serious. But it also leads people to stand out well into the street when waiting to cross, to hail taxis while standing in the bike lane and so on. It’s been one of the biggest adjustments of learning to cycle in New York, rather than London where I was before, that it’s so hard to see at New York intersections.

  47.  

    BBnet3000

    Yep. The DOT has set back some crosswalks but you’re walking 10 blocks you are going to follow the straight line to the next sidewalk.

  48.  

    Jeff

    Intersections are so frequent in this city that pedestrians would continue following the desire lines (i.e. directly from corner to corner, sidewalk-to-sidewalk) no matter where the crosswalks are placed.

  49.  

    BBnet3000

    What other cities allow cars to park right up to the corner like we do? This is something the City Council could fix city-wide without the DOT having to spend 10,000 hours of staff time to do 15 corners.

  50.  

    BBnet3000

    I thought the idea behind Bike to Work day was getting new people to try it.