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	<title>Comments on: Planners Tackle Big Questions About How to Shape NYC Development</title>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. It&#039;s sad that the question about learning from other cities is restricted to US cities. There are many cities in the world New York can learn from, and not just the typical buzz cities of Paris, London, and Amsterdam.

2. The basic problem of community boards is that they&#039;re constructed to be parochial and toothless. The 197a plans are non-binding, which means the city ignores them; this in turn sometimes makes community boards write half-assed plans. And because board members are appointed and not elected, they don&#039;t always have the legitimacy of popular support.

Often, making an office appointed reduces its power. I think it&#039;s Arendt Lijphart who noted how in some parliamentary democracies, they deliberately have the ceremonial president elected by the legislature and not popular vote in order to avoid giving him too much legitimacy.

3. Democracy means living with decisions you don&#039;t like. Not all community boards are going to be pro-transit or pro-walkable streets. When the city sells the 34th Street closures as reallocating space to pedestrians, don&#039;t be surprised if people in Flushing and Sheepshead Bay make the same analysis of their neighborhoods and find that most of their people drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. It&#8217;s sad that the question about learning from other cities is restricted to US cities. There are many cities in the world New York can learn from, and not just the typical buzz cities of Paris, London, and Amsterdam.</p>
<p>2. The basic problem of community boards is that they&#8217;re constructed to be parochial and toothless. The 197a plans are non-binding, which means the city ignores them; this in turn sometimes makes community boards write half-assed plans. And because board members are appointed and not elected, they don&#8217;t always have the legitimacy of popular support.</p>
<p>Often, making an office appointed reduces its power. I think it&#8217;s Arendt Lijphart who noted how in some parliamentary democracies, they deliberately have the ceremonial president elected by the legislature and not popular vote in order to avoid giving him too much legitimacy.</p>
<p>3. Democracy means living with decisions you don&#8217;t like. Not all community boards are going to be pro-transit or pro-walkable streets. When the city sells the 34th Street closures as reallocating space to pedestrians, don&#8217;t be surprised if people in Flushing and Sheepshead Bay make the same analysis of their neighborhoods and find that most of their people drive.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real question is, if appointed community board members are required to represent local communities, what does that say about elected City Council members?

(Note:  I sat on a Community Board in the 1980s)

There is nothing wrong with having interested citizens providing advice, but don&#039;t think that unelected people should have decisionmaking power in a democracy, if we still are one (and with term limits and public campaign finance I think NYC, if not NY State, qualifies).

Perhaps there should be more of them: local block captains and the like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real question is, if appointed community board members are required to represent local communities, what does that say about elected City Council members?</p>
<p>(Note:  I sat on a Community Board in the 1980s)</p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with having interested citizens providing advice, but don&#8217;t think that unelected people should have decisionmaking power in a democracy, if we still are one (and with term limits and public campaign finance I think NYC, if not NY State, qualifies).</p>
<p>Perhaps there should be more of them: local block captains and the like.</p>
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		<title>By: airAndMagic</title>
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		<dc:creator>airAndMagic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>planning, never heard of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>planning, never heard of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shemp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue with community boards to me isn&#039;t &quot;local vs. business&quot; or &quot;grassroots vs. citywide gov&#039;t agencies,&quot; it&#039;s whether the crabby, parochial, never-leave-the-neighborhood types who wind up as most of the board members are even remotely representative of today&#039;s New Yorkers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue with community boards to me isn&#8217;t &#8220;local vs. business&#8221; or &#8220;grassroots vs. citywide gov&#8217;t agencies,&#8221; it&#8217;s whether the crabby, parochial, never-leave-the-neighborhood types who wind up as most of the board members are even remotely representative of today&#8217;s New Yorkers.</p>
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