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	<title>Comments on: NYPD Let Witnesses Leave Scene of Fatal Fort Greene Crash</title>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/07/21/nypd-let-witnesses-leave-scene-of-fatal-fort-greene-crash/comment-page-1/#comment-275109</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 03:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree that there is a &quot;higher value placed on attractive, white, affluent lives&quot; -- isn&#039;t it possible that affluent people have a more affluent network of friends and family who are more able to bring these issues to the foreground through media and networking?

I think this is less a race issue than a class issue.  It&#039;s easier for media outlets to cover something when they have easy access to information, and that&#039;s more likely to happen with well-off groups than marginalized groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that there is a &#8220;higher value placed on attractive, white, affluent lives&#8221; &#8212; isn&#8217;t it possible that affluent people have a more affluent network of friends and family who are more able to bring these issues to the foreground through media and networking?</p>
<p>I think this is less a race issue than a class issue.  It&#8217;s easier for media outlets to cover something when they have easy access to information, and that&#8217;s more likely to happen with well-off groups than marginalized groups.</p>
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		<title>By: dporpentine</title>
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		<dc:creator>dporpentine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 21:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MRN:
I&#039;m sympathetic to your original point, but I&#039;d take it to CNN, Fox, and MSNBC, not Streetsblog. Look at how Streetsblog has covered the Jake McDonaugh case, for example, and I think you&#039;ll see the treatment is pretty similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MRN:<br />
I&#8217;m sympathetic to your original point, but I&#8217;d take it to CNN, Fox, and MSNBC, not Streetsblog. Look at how Streetsblog has covered the Jake McDonaugh case, for example, and I think you&#8217;ll see the treatment is pretty similar.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ P.
Yeah, I disagree with MRN&#039;s accusation of bias on Streetsblog&#039;s part, but not the accusation of a wider bias in media coverage.
I also do not take issue with Ben Fried&#039;s article or his response.    

But, the disproportionate media attention that is indicative of a higher value placed on attractive, white, affluent lives then of that placed on poor, brown or ugly lives is a real issue and one that is worthy of discussion.  These biases have an impact on this sort of advocacy, which Urbanis expanded upon nicely.  I thought the accurate portion of the MRN&#039;s comment could serve as a useful jumping off point for that discussion - rather than simply calling him a troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ P.<br />
Yeah, I disagree with MRN&#8217;s accusation of bias on Streetsblog&#8217;s part, but not the accusation of a wider bias in media coverage.<br />
I also do not take issue with Ben Fried&#8217;s article or his response.    </p>
<p>But, the disproportionate media attention that is indicative of a higher value placed on attractive, white, affluent lives then of that placed on poor, brown or ugly lives is a real issue and one that is worthy of discussion.  These biases have an impact on this sort of advocacy, which Urbanis expanded upon nicely.  I thought the accurate portion of the MRN&#8217;s comment could serve as a useful jumping off point for that discussion &#8211; rather than simply calling him a troll.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
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		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I would not accuse this site of this sort of media bias but in my opinion it is widespread.&quot;

Kevin, That&#039;s exactly what MMR did and it&#039;s simply a false accusation.  In fact, he went beyond that when he accused Streetsblog of bias on the grounds that this woman had a vigil attended by hundreds of people while other victims have not.  Tell me what Ben Fried was supposed to do about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would not accuse this site of this sort of media bias but in my opinion it is widespread.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kevin, That&#8217;s exactly what MMR did and it&#8217;s simply a false accusation.  In fact, he went beyond that when he accused Streetsblog of bias on the grounds that this woman had a vigil attended by hundreds of people while other victims have not.  Tell me what Ben Fried was supposed to do about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric McClure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric McClure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/07/22/todays-headlines-940/#comment-274748&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Case in point&lt;/a&gt;.

Maybe it&#039;s me, but in my mind, the story here is more about the failure to file any charges against the driver than it is about the identity of the victim.  And I don&#039;t mean that in any way to minimize the tragedy, of Ms. McKay-Dalton&#039;s death, or Mr. Rivera&#039;s death, or anyone else&#039;s.

The SUV- or garbage-truck-driving Grim Reaper is color-blind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/07/22/todays-headlines-940/#comment-274748" rel="nofollow">Case in point</a>.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s me, but in my mind, the story here is more about the failure to file any charges against the driver than it is about the identity of the victim.  And I don&#8217;t mean that in any way to minimize the tragedy, of Ms. McKay-Dalton&#8217;s death, or Mr. Rivera&#8217;s death, or anyone else&#8217;s.</p>
<p>The SUV- or garbage-truck-driving Grim Reaper is color-blind.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine berthet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine berthet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Com&#039;on already we all know pretty works better . (man or woman)  
call me cynic but I want the prettiest victim if it gets us traffic justice tomorrow.... And before you react remember this will save us many many lives and injuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Com&#8217;on already we all know pretty works better . (man or woman)<br />
call me cynic but I want the prettiest victim if it gets us traffic justice tomorrow&#8230;. And before you react remember this will save us many many lives and injuries.</p>
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		<title>By: Urbanis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urbanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While not in any way questioning the newsworthiness (and horror) of this tragedy, I think the original poster has pointed out a subtle media bias worth noticing. It also shows itself in other ways--for example, one can get the impression from bicycle advocacy materials that the main reason cities should build protected lanes is so that pretty fashionistas can ride around chic downtown neighborhoods in long flowing dresses on expensive imported Dutch bikes. Meanwhile, the immigrant delivery men for whom riding a bike is a livelihood (and who probably ride their bikes far more than just about any other bicycle commuting class) are either beneath notice or when noticed, take the rap for poor cyclist behavior.

This attitude was most blatantly summed up for me at a recent bicycle event, where a pretty fashionista said to me with some disdain, &quot;Well, those delivery men aren&#039;t really bicyclists. They just ride bicycles because have to.&quot;

Yuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While not in any way questioning the newsworthiness (and horror) of this tragedy, I think the original poster has pointed out a subtle media bias worth noticing. It also shows itself in other ways&#8211;for example, one can get the impression from bicycle advocacy materials that the main reason cities should build protected lanes is so that pretty fashionistas can ride around chic downtown neighborhoods in long flowing dresses on expensive imported Dutch bikes. Meanwhile, the immigrant delivery men for whom riding a bike is a livelihood (and who probably ride their bikes far more than just about any other bicycle commuting class) are either beneath notice or when noticed, take the rap for poor cyclist behavior.</p>
<p>This attitude was most blatantly summed up for me at a recent bicycle event, where a pretty fashionista said to me with some disdain, &#8220;Well, those delivery men aren&#8217;t really bicyclists. They just ride bicycles because have to.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yuck.</p>
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		<title>By: MRN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MRN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is not any particular outrage over any particular death - as the &#039;Weekly Carnage&#039; indicates, there are plenty to choose from. &#039;kevin&#039; def. has the best response here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is not any particular outrage over any particular death &#8211; as the &#8216;Weekly Carnage&#8217; indicates, there are plenty to choose from. &#8216;kevin&#8217; def. has the best response here.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are all of you trying to say that the deaths of young, attractive white women don&#039;t often turn into small media events to a far greater degree than - oh, say - the deaths of young men of color?  

I would not accuse this site of this sort of media bias but in my opinion it is widespread.  To simply brush off MNR&#039;s (accurate) observation as &quot;trolling&quot; is lazy. 

The problem is not the response and the coverage of McKay-Dalton but the lack of response and coverage of so many other victims.  It would not take me (or you) long to dig up a long list of victims that do not fit into the young, attractive and white categories that SB has covered in depth, trying to bring justice to all victims of traffic violence.  But it would be a far better response than simply yelling &quot;troll&quot; and patting each other on the back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are all of you trying to say that the deaths of young, attractive white women don&#8217;t often turn into small media events to a far greater degree than &#8211; oh, say &#8211; the deaths of young men of color?  </p>
<p>I would not accuse this site of this sort of media bias but in my opinion it is widespread.  To simply brush off MNR&#8217;s (accurate) observation as &#8220;trolling&#8221; is lazy. </p>
<p>The problem is not the response and the coverage of McKay-Dalton but the lack of response and coverage of so many other victims.  It would not take me (or you) long to dig up a long list of victims that do not fit into the young, attractive and white categories that SB has covered in depth, trying to bring justice to all victims of traffic violence.  But it would be a far better response than simply yelling &#8220;troll&#8221; and patting each other on the back.</p>
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		<title>By: kaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way I can&#039;t say enough lovely things about Streetsblog&#039;s journalism regarding these negligent homicides and the NYPD&#039;s failure to care. You guys are toeing the line, &quot;speaking truth to power&quot; (though it doesn&#039;t care to listen), and, if the tide ever turns, will be seen historically as the foot in the door.

I&#039;d mix more metaphors at you, but you get the point.

Just expect the trolls. This site&#039;s on the internet, after all. I myself will stick to trolling other commenters, as opposed to the authors on the masthead; hope that&#039;s ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way I can&#8217;t say enough lovely things about Streetsblog&#8217;s journalism regarding these negligent homicides and the NYPD&#8217;s failure to care. You guys are toeing the line, &#8220;speaking truth to power&#8221; (though it doesn&#8217;t care to listen), and, if the tide ever turns, will be seen historically as the foot in the door.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d mix more metaphors at you, but you get the point.</p>
<p>Just expect the trolls. This site&#8217;s on the internet, after all. I myself will stick to trolling other commenters, as opposed to the authors on the masthead; hope that&#8217;s ok.</p>
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		<title>By: kaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Ben, you got trolled good there. I hope your blood pressure remained low while you were writing that, because all the dude was after was lowering your lifespan by a few minutes with stress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Ben, you got trolled good there. I hope your blood pressure remained low while you were writing that, because all the dude was after was lowering your lifespan by a few minutes with stress.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
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		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inflammatory comment not supported by facts = TROLL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inflammatory comment not supported by facts = TROLL</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Fried</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Fried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MRN -- So a witness comes forward who says the NYPD did a lackluster job of collecting information related to a fatal crash, the accident report backs up her story, and that&#039;s your response? 

Streetsblog pursues this type of information whenever we can, and in this instance we were able to obtain it. That&#039;s what sets this case apart.

If you&#039;re referring to the crash that killed TJ Campbell, the police could not even properly identify him when we asked them for information. Save your scorn for NYPD, which has repeatedly failed to make available reports from crash investigations, even after clearing motorists of wrongdoing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MRN &#8212; So a witness comes forward who says the NYPD did a lackluster job of collecting information related to a fatal crash, the accident report backs up her story, and that&#8217;s your response? </p>
<p>Streetsblog pursues this type of information whenever we can, and in this instance we were able to obtain it. That&#8217;s what sets this case apart.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re referring to the crash that killed TJ Campbell, the police could not even properly identify him when we asked them for information. Save your scorn for NYPD, which has repeatedly failed to make available reports from crash investigations, even after clearing motorists of wrongdoing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cycler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cycler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MRN,  Although your point is well taken about the intersection of social justice and traffic justice, I don&#039;t believe that Streetsblog organized the vigil, they just covered it as they do far too many others.

Perhaps you could organize a vigil for Mr Rivera, and give Streetsblog a chance to cover it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MRN,  Although your point is well taken about the intersection of social justice and traffic justice, I don&#8217;t believe that Streetsblog organized the vigil, they just covered it as they do far too many others.</p>
<p>Perhaps you could organize a vigil for Mr Rivera, and give Streetsblog a chance to cover it?</p>
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		<title>By: MRN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MRN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More multi-article pieces about Pretty White Women in Danger. We had three or four for that filmmaker who was killed in UWS awhile back, who&#039;s face was also plastered over this blog multiple times. Where&#039;s the pic of (and associated &#039;vigil&#039; for) Mr. Rivera, the gentleman crushed by a garbage truck in Bushwick recently?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More multi-article pieces about Pretty White Women in Danger. We had three or four for that filmmaker who was killed in UWS awhile back, who&#8217;s face was also plastered over this blog multiple times. Where&#8217;s the pic of (and associated &#8216;vigil&#8217; for) Mr. Rivera, the gentleman crushed by a garbage truck in Bushwick recently?</p>
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