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	<title>Comments on: DOT Plans to Bring NYC&#8217;s First Separated Busway to 34th Street</title>
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		<title>By: otm</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/03/02/dot-plans-to-bring-nycs-first-separated-busway-to-34th-street/comment-page-3/#comment-288686</link>
		<dc:creator>otm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 10:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Public transport and bikes are most suitable transport decisions. I like the idea of electric vehicle public transportation</description>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/03/02/dot-plans-to-bring-nycs-first-separated-busway-to-34th-street/comment-page-2/#comment-280874</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that site is full of paranoia and selfishness.</description>
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		<title>By: New Yorker</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/03/02/dot-plans-to-bring-nycs-first-separated-busway-to-34th-street/comment-page-2/#comment-280868</link>
		<dc:creator>New Yorker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 18:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go to www.34thstreettransitway.org to learn about Bus Way&#039;s impacts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go to <a href="http://www.34thstreettransitway.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.34thstreettransitway.org</a> to learn about Bus Way&#8217;s impacts.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/03/02/dot-plans-to-bring-nycs-first-separated-busway-to-34th-street/comment-page-2/#comment-237661</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it&#039;s a crank. He hits all the spots used by paleo-libertarian cranks. Trolls respond to the issue at hand, or try to derail the thread in an obvious manner. (Think Mix-ryG-son-dy on the transit blogs, or Bart DePalma and Mule Rider on 538).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it&#8217;s a crank. He hits all the spots used by paleo-libertarian cranks. Trolls respond to the issue at hand, or try to derail the thread in an obvious manner. (Think Mix-ryG-son-dy on the transit blogs, or Bart DePalma and Mule Rider on 538).</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/03/02/dot-plans-to-bring-nycs-first-separated-busway-to-34th-street/comment-page-2/#comment-237521</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 00:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaja, pretty sure that one&#039;s a crank. It&#039;s way too obvious to be a troll (unless it&#039;s a truly incompetent one!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaja, pretty sure that one&#8217;s a crank. It&#8217;s way too obvious to be a troll (unless it&#8217;s a truly incompetent one!)</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/03/02/dot-plans-to-bring-nycs-first-separated-busway-to-34th-street/comment-page-2/#comment-237511</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Pro troll or proest troll?</description>
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		<title>By: Citizen of New York</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/03/02/dot-plans-to-bring-nycs-first-separated-busway-to-34th-street/comment-page-2/#comment-237491</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen of New York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not for nothing, but you people acting like persons kill me with this silliness. First of all, Free inhabitants are not required to have driver&#039;s licenses, registrations, and plates in any of the fifty states. (I have it in writing to prove it)

And every time one of you persons whine about &quot;traffic&quot; (which is commercial in nature) you succumb to the insanity of this idiot mayor and all his admiralty and maritime laws he imposes on you. Then wonder why you feel abused.

The day you stop eating the menu and actually eat your food, you won&#039;t be wondering why you&#039;re so hungry at the table.

Wow, I have never seen so much slave oriented mentalities in one place.

Just know every time you do something to waive your rights as free Citizens of this State and accept the privileges with control and penalties as this stupid U.S. citizenship; you annoy us people who are actually free.

That&#039;s why we keep finding you guilty every time you show up in court with those attorneys with their titles of nobility.

Your first clue you screwed up should have been the day you got a ssn, (your slave tax i.d. number) after that state birth certificate was issued (which didn&#039;t come from a church) then you traded your right to travel for a freakin driver&#039;s license, then you gave your title for your car to the state in exchange for a certificate &quot;OF&quot; title (not the title) and then you went to the county clerks office to get permission for a church wedding (which made the state a party to your &quot;marriage contract&quot;) so you can have kids and restart the cycle... If you don&#039;t feel royally screwed; then just forget what I said and go back to your state controlled life, so you can continue serving your master (The &quot;STATE&quot;)....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not for nothing, but you people acting like persons kill me with this silliness. First of all, Free inhabitants are not required to have driver&#8217;s licenses, registrations, and plates in any of the fifty states. (I have it in writing to prove it)</p>
<p>And every time one of you persons whine about &#8220;traffic&#8221; (which is commercial in nature) you succumb to the insanity of this idiot mayor and all his admiralty and maritime laws he imposes on you. Then wonder why you feel abused.</p>
<p>The day you stop eating the menu and actually eat your food, you won&#8217;t be wondering why you&#8217;re so hungry at the table.</p>
<p>Wow, I have never seen so much slave oriented mentalities in one place.</p>
<p>Just know every time you do something to waive your rights as free Citizens of this State and accept the privileges with control and penalties as this stupid U.S. citizenship; you annoy us people who are actually free.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why we keep finding you guilty every time you show up in court with those attorneys with their titles of nobility.</p>
<p>Your first clue you screwed up should have been the day you got a ssn, (your slave tax i.d. number) after that state birth certificate was issued (which didn&#8217;t come from a church) then you traded your right to travel for a freakin driver&#8217;s license, then you gave your title for your car to the state in exchange for a certificate &#8220;OF&#8221; title (not the title) and then you went to the county clerks office to get permission for a church wedding (which made the state a party to your &#8220;marriage contract&#8221;) so you can have kids and restart the cycle&#8230; If you don&#8217;t feel royally screwed; then just forget what I said and go back to your state controlled life, so you can continue serving your master (The &#8220;STATE&#8221;)&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/03/02/dot-plans-to-bring-nycs-first-separated-busway-to-34th-street/comment-page-2/#comment-223121</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how about those retractable bollards to control bus lane access? They can be EZ-Pass controlled, with buses charged various rates (one for transit, another for long distance), and cars and trucks denied entirely (or charged something closer to a fine than a fee). If the tollway becomes an MTA facility, MTA buses would just be paying themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how about those retractable bollards to control bus lane access? They can be EZ-Pass controlled, with buses charged various rates (one for transit, another for long distance), and cars and trucks denied entirely (or charged something closer to a fine than a fee). If the tollway becomes an MTA facility, MTA buses would just be paying themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/03/02/dot-plans-to-bring-nycs-first-separated-busway-to-34th-street/comment-page-2/#comment-218951</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The city&#039;s entire political elite drives everywhere, including the SUVs-to-the-express-train Mayor. Harlem isn&#039;t special there - it&#039;s just the place where you could sell SBS as a mobility benefit to the average resident, rather than as a prestige project to enhance Bloomberg&#039;s legacy.

And I&#039;ll repeat what I said further upthread: JSK has put sustainable transportation infrastructure in white neighborhoods over popular objections. She&#039;s never been one to give a damn what the local political elite thinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The city&#8217;s entire political elite drives everywhere, including the SUVs-to-the-express-train Mayor. Harlem isn&#8217;t special there &#8211; it&#8217;s just the place where you could sell SBS as a mobility benefit to the average resident, rather than as a prestige project to enhance Bloomberg&#8217;s legacy.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll repeat what I said further upthread: JSK has put sustainable transportation infrastructure in white neighborhoods over popular objections. She&#8217;s never been one to give a damn what the local political elite thinks.</p>
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		<title>By: JK Per 125th Street</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK Per 125th Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One theme of this long thread is to put SBS and other bus improvements where they make the biggest impact --- biggest bang for buck, best benefit/cost etc. Makes sense, but that&#039;s not how NYC works. DOT is working within a constrained political space. DOT has the most latitude in Midtown. That&#039;s the mayor&#039;s turf. It&#039;s where the big BID&#039;s are the strongest political force, and where residential car owners are the weakest. We can all agree that 125th Street --- a crucial cross-town transit and auto corridor, is a complete mess of double parking, cruising and frequent back-ups. But there would be hell to pay politically if DOT removed a lane of parking, or even properly priced meters. Harlem&#039;s political elite drive everywhere. Collectively, they are among the most windshield blinded people I&#039;ve ever met in NYC. Examples? Harlem&#039;s Charles Rangel secured the largest single House earmark in NYC in T3. It was for a new 400 car parking garage at Harlem Hospital. There is a complete disconnect between the walking and transit taking lifestyle of 80% of the people in Harlem, and their political &quot;representatives.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One theme of this long thread is to put SBS and other bus improvements where they make the biggest impact &#8212; biggest bang for buck, best benefit/cost etc. Makes sense, but that&#8217;s not how NYC works. DOT is working within a constrained political space. DOT has the most latitude in Midtown. That&#8217;s the mayor&#8217;s turf. It&#8217;s where the big BID&#8217;s are the strongest political force, and where residential car owners are the weakest. We can all agree that 125th Street &#8212; a crucial cross-town transit and auto corridor, is a complete mess of double parking, cruising and frequent back-ups. But there would be hell to pay politically if DOT removed a lane of parking, or even properly priced meters. Harlem&#8217;s political elite drive everywhere. Collectively, they are among the most windshield blinded people I&#8217;ve ever met in NYC. Examples? Harlem&#8217;s Charles Rangel secured the largest single House earmark in NYC in T3. It was for a new 400 car parking garage at Harlem Hospital. There is a complete disconnect between the walking and transit taking lifestyle of 80% of the people in Harlem, and their political &#8220;representatives.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/03/02/dot-plans-to-bring-nycs-first-separated-busway-to-34th-street/comment-page-2/#comment-218341</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, Can we give it a rest? I think maybe I started this brouhaha when I wrote that I was having second thoughts about going for three blocks of pedestrian plaza on 34th St. Offhandedly I added that I&#039;d read some research indicating that people actually like a couple of lanes of traffic nearby, for a sense of security or something. So I said I&#039;d stick with something lie we got on Broadway now. Then while I went away, everybody started beating each other up.

Amusingly, Alon began to defend the notion that most pedestrians like to have some moving cars around. But he doesn&#039;t think the Broadway Boulevard is a success, though I do. Meanwhile, that position provoked other Comments suggesting that our goal should be to ban all cars from every street in Manhattan. And Harlem either is or isn&#039;t safe now or then, on the streets or in some dark park or whatever. Wow.

Oh, Alon, last night my friend and I parked our bikes and sat down in Broadway to eat a supper of chicken and rice purchased from a falafel cart near Penn Station. Many chairs were taken, but not all by any means. I had noticed some ripped up pavement and apparent reconstruction underway around 36th St., maybe reworking a turn lane (and I hope the bike lane as well). Perhaps the remodeling will include better street furniture, better lighting for this still dark strip, nicer plantings, more bike racks, etc.

The newish NYGARD store on 40th St certainly brings the bright lights to its block, but nearby blocks could use more juice. More than a few storefronts are vacant, due to the economy, I&#039;m sure, and not to closing half the street to traffic. That&#039;s an opportunity, I&#039;d say, for the stretch to liven up with more retail and neon.

I expect that now that this &quot;trial period&quot; is over, the City will invest in better amenities and the quasi mall will become even more successful. One evening we can meet down there and I&#039;ll treat you to a beverage. No, make it supper on me, on condition that we buy our supper with half a block of Broadway,

Meanwhile I&#039;m looking forward to seeing more buses on 34th St and fewer cars there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, Can we give it a rest? I think maybe I started this brouhaha when I wrote that I was having second thoughts about going for three blocks of pedestrian plaza on 34th St. Offhandedly I added that I&#8217;d read some research indicating that people actually like a couple of lanes of traffic nearby, for a sense of security or something. So I said I&#8217;d stick with something lie we got on Broadway now. Then while I went away, everybody started beating each other up.</p>
<p>Amusingly, Alon began to defend the notion that most pedestrians like to have some moving cars around. But he doesn&#8217;t think the Broadway Boulevard is a success, though I do. Meanwhile, that position provoked other Comments suggesting that our goal should be to ban all cars from every street in Manhattan. And Harlem either is or isn&#8217;t safe now or then, on the streets or in some dark park or whatever. Wow.</p>
<p>Oh, Alon, last night my friend and I parked our bikes and sat down in Broadway to eat a supper of chicken and rice purchased from a falafel cart near Penn Station. Many chairs were taken, but not all by any means. I had noticed some ripped up pavement and apparent reconstruction underway around 36th St., maybe reworking a turn lane (and I hope the bike lane as well). Perhaps the remodeling will include better street furniture, better lighting for this still dark strip, nicer plantings, more bike racks, etc.</p>
<p>The newish NYGARD store on 40th St certainly brings the bright lights to its block, but nearby blocks could use more juice. More than a few storefronts are vacant, due to the economy, I&#8217;m sure, and not to closing half the street to traffic. That&#8217;s an opportunity, I&#8217;d say, for the stretch to liven up with more retail and neon.</p>
<p>I expect that now that this &#8220;trial period&#8221; is over, the City will invest in better amenities and the quasi mall will become even more successful. One evening we can meet down there and I&#8217;ll treat you to a beverage. No, make it supper on me, on condition that we buy our supper with half a block of Broadway,</p>
<p>Meanwhile I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing more buses on 34th St and fewer cars there.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so Harlem is growing. And its crime rate is not as low as it used to be - just like anywhere else in the United States. That&#039;s not the same as upscale. We all know rents are going up, at least for the minority of residents who pay market-rate rents, but that doesn&#039;t mean the neighborhood is rich. It just means some developers are trying to gentrify it. If they bought at the beginning of the housing bubble, they even made money, just like they would have if they&#039;d bought in Las Vegas.

Cars don&#039;t really enter this equation either way - it&#039;s a sketchiness issue, not a car issue. If you really can&#039;t tell the difference between a two-lane street and Queens Boulevard, there&#039;s no helping you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so Harlem is growing. And its crime rate is not as low as it used to be &#8211; just like anywhere else in the United States. That&#8217;s not the same as upscale. We all know rents are going up, at least for the minority of residents who pay market-rate rents, but that doesn&#8217;t mean the neighborhood is rich. It just means some developers are trying to gentrify it. If they bought at the beginning of the housing bubble, they even made money, just like they would have if they&#8217;d bought in Las Vegas.</p>
<p>Cars don&#8217;t really enter this equation either way &#8211; it&#8217;s a sketchiness issue, not a car issue. If you really can&#8217;t tell the difference between a two-lane street and Queens Boulevard, there&#8217;s no helping you.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#88 Alon Levy,  &quot;Gecko, did you live in Harlem anytime recently that you&#039;re pronouncing it upscale?&quot;

having spent most of my life in this city have been at the riots in harlem, bed stuy, east new york, lower eastside, burning of ccny, even columbia (which is definitely upscale), . . .  and, thereafter all over . . .

and now, crossing 110th street going west by bike there&#039;s this restaurant that&#039;s hard to pass that must be in 100 guidebooks . . . , and morningside park you wouldn&#039;t walk through day or night where horrendous things happened to those who did not know better but not now and is really quite nice, and 110th street that was boarded up for years newly discovered for its central park southern exposure, and central park north itself has never been better with the fishing pond where you can rent poles and the ice skating ring you can now do laps in on warm summer evenings.

yes, there are bad areas and disgracefully there are severely underserved sections and populations and unemployment in this city with health problems comparable to the developing world; but, the city has never been safer.

and yes, was cued in when i did read in the ny times a few years ago that this famous filmmaker sold his condos in the dakota and bought several brownstones north of 110th street for his family with the money proclaiming it was the best investment he ever made, everyone was so nice.

even though the financial near-collapse hasn&#039;t helped now . . .

but, don&#039;t tell me how cars make this city nice and safe.  this city thrives despite them.

enough!  have fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#88 Alon Levy,  &#8220;Gecko, did you live in Harlem anytime recently that you&#8217;re pronouncing it upscale?&#8221;</p>
<p>having spent most of my life in this city have been at the riots in harlem, bed stuy, east new york, lower eastside, burning of ccny, even columbia (which is definitely upscale), . . .  and, thereafter all over . . .</p>
<p>and now, crossing 110th street going west by bike there&#8217;s this restaurant that&#8217;s hard to pass that must be in 100 guidebooks . . . , and morningside park you wouldn&#8217;t walk through day or night where horrendous things happened to those who did not know better but not now and is really quite nice, and 110th street that was boarded up for years newly discovered for its central park southern exposure, and central park north itself has never been better with the fishing pond where you can rent poles and the ice skating ring you can now do laps in on warm summer evenings.</p>
<p>yes, there are bad areas and disgracefully there are severely underserved sections and populations and unemployment in this city with health problems comparable to the developing world; but, the city has never been safer.</p>
<p>and yes, was cued in when i did read in the ny times a few years ago that this famous filmmaker sold his condos in the dakota and bought several brownstones north of 110th street for his family with the money proclaiming it was the best investment he ever made, everyone was so nice.</p>
<p>even though the financial near-collapse hasn&#8217;t helped now . . .</p>
<p>but, don&#8217;t tell me how cars make this city nice and safe.  this city thrives despite them.</p>
<p>enough!  have fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 04:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harlem is not upscale outside the imaginations of people who&#039;ve only seen chunks of 125th in the daytime. I lived in the richest census tract in Harlem, the one facing St. Nicholas Park. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/lucds/mn10profile.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;As of 2000&lt;/a&gt;, it had about 23% poverty, and a median household income of $30,000 (Harlem-wide, the respective numbers are 37% and $19,000). It looked like a typical ghetto-cum-working class block, complete with bodegas that have no fresh food, and a park whose interior nobody dared enter after dark. The route I&#039;d take home from the subway was not scary, but I&#039;d still avoid certain streets. The taxis did provide a measure of safety that people wouldn&#039;t, unless it was more than one person and they weren&#039;t walking in a group.

Tell me, Gecko, did you live in Harlem anytime recently that you&#039;re pronouncing it upscale? Do you have access to recent statistics indicating wealth? Or are you just reading ignorant blurbs on TimeOutNY and Stuff White People Like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harlem is not upscale outside the imaginations of people who&#8217;ve only seen chunks of 125th in the daytime. I lived in the richest census tract in Harlem, the one facing St. Nicholas Park. <a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/lucds/mn10profile.pdf" rel="nofollow">As of 2000</a>, it had about 23% poverty, and a median household income of $30,000 (Harlem-wide, the respective numbers are 37% and $19,000). It looked like a typical ghetto-cum-working class block, complete with bodegas that have no fresh food, and a park whose interior nobody dared enter after dark. The route I&#8217;d take home from the subway was not scary, but I&#8217;d still avoid certain streets. The taxis did provide a measure of safety that people wouldn&#8217;t, unless it was more than one person and they weren&#8217;t walking in a group.</p>
<p>Tell me, Gecko, did you live in Harlem anytime recently that you&#8217;re pronouncing it upscale? Do you have access to recent statistics indicating wealth? Or are you just reading ignorant blurbs on TimeOutNY and Stuff White People Like?</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#85 Alon Levy, &quot;I lived in/near Harlem for a while, and I&#039;ve talked about urban issues with people from the South Bronx. In Harlem I can say from experience that taxis don&#039;t run red light.&quot;

Does not sound like it from this statement. And currently, Harlem is quite upscale.


Re:  &quot;on lightly trafficked streets, taxis make things less sketchy&quot;

That is not what you wrote.  You wrote:  &quot;Roaming taxis can provide a surprising amount of safety.&quot;

And, people on the streets provide safety, not cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#85 Alon Levy, &#8220;I lived in/near Harlem for a while, and I&#8217;ve talked about urban issues with people from the South Bronx. In Harlem I can say from experience that taxis don&#8217;t run red light.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does not sound like it from this statement. And currently, Harlem is quite upscale.</p>
<p>Re:  &#8220;on lightly trafficked streets, taxis make things less sketchy&#8221;</p>
<p>That is not what you wrote.  You wrote:  &#8220;Roaming taxis can provide a surprising amount of safety.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, people on the streets provide safety, not cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I myself prefer to take my &lt;a href=&quot;http://goitaly.about.com/od/italytravelglossary/g/passeggiata.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;passeggiata&lt;/a&gt; around my own neighborhood, rather than travel on transit somewhere else. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Community_Board_5&quot;Not that many people live in midtown&lt;/a&gt;, relatively speaking, and perhaps that&#039;s why there aren&#039;t so many people walking around at night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I myself prefer to take my <a href="http://goitaly.about.com/od/italytravelglossary/g/passeggiata.htm" rel="nofollow">passeggiata</a> around my own neighborhood, rather than travel on transit somewhere else. &lt;a href=&quot;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Community_Board_5&quot;Not" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Community_Board_5&quot;Not</a> that many people live in midtown, relatively speaking, and perhaps that&#8217;s why there aren&#8217;t so many people walking around at night.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If Bway between Times and Herald Squares is not peopled enough then get different businesses in there&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good luck shooing Macy&#039;s out.

Seriously. If the land use around Broadway is not conducive to a pedestrian piazza, why not instead build the piazza somewhere where the existing land use is more conducive and where the local community is more supportive?

&lt;blockquote&gt;So, you&#039;re from the ghetto? And, if there are a lot of friendly people at night in some ghetto park you should still avoid it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I lived in/near Harlem for a while, and I&#039;ve talked about urban issues with people from the South Bronx. In Harlem I can say from experience that taxis don&#039;t run red light.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And, cars make this city safe even though they kill on the scale of this city&#039;s homicide rates?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Way to twist my words... how does &quot;on lightly trafficked streets, taxis make things less sketchy&quot; turn into &quot;cars make this city safe&quot;? We&#039;re not talking about traffic calming on QB or West Street. The issue is Broadway, a signal-timed, wide-sidewalked street where pedestrians get the crossing to themselves for half of every cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If Bway between Times and Herald Squares is not peopled enough then get different businesses in there</p></blockquote>
<p>Good luck shooing Macy&#8217;s out.</p>
<p>Seriously. If the land use around Broadway is not conducive to a pedestrian piazza, why not instead build the piazza somewhere where the existing land use is more conducive and where the local community is more supportive?</p>
<blockquote><p>So, you&#8217;re from the ghetto? And, if there are a lot of friendly people at night in some ghetto park you should still avoid it?</p></blockquote>
<p>I lived in/near Harlem for a while, and I&#8217;ve talked about urban issues with people from the South Bronx. In Harlem I can say from experience that taxis don&#8217;t run red light.</p>
<blockquote><p>And, cars make this city safe even though they kill on the scale of this city&#8217;s homicide rates?</p></blockquote>
<p>Way to twist my words&#8230; how does &#8220;on lightly trafficked streets, taxis make things less sketchy&#8221; turn into &#8220;cars make this city safe&#8221;? We&#8217;re not talking about traffic calming on QB or West Street. The issue is Broadway, a signal-timed, wide-sidewalked street where pedestrians get the crossing to themselves for half of every cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#82 Alon Levy,  &quot;. . . the adviceyou&#039;d get in the ghetto is to avoid parks, and, depending on the neighborhood, one-way streets. Roaming taxis can provide a surprising amount of safety.&quot;

So, you&#039;re from the ghetto?  And, if there are a lot of friendly people at night in some ghetto park you should still avoid it?

And, cars make this city safe even though they kill on the scale of this city&#039;s homicide rates? 

Including taxis where in bad areas traditionally the police allow taxis to jump red lights and leave as quick as possible.

Cars greatly diminish urban quality of life and there are much better, more practical, and safe mobility solutions with the environmental crisis serving as coffin nails for a very bad habit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#82 Alon Levy,  &#8220;. . . the adviceyou&#8217;d get in the ghetto is to avoid parks, and, depending on the neighborhood, one-way streets. Roaming taxis can provide a surprising amount of safety.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, you&#8217;re from the ghetto?  And, if there are a lot of friendly people at night in some ghetto park you should still avoid it?</p>
<p>And, cars make this city safe even though they kill on the scale of this city&#8217;s homicide rates? </p>
<p>Including taxis where in bad areas traditionally the police allow taxis to jump red lights and leave as quick as possible.</p>
<p>Cars greatly diminish urban quality of life and there are much better, more practical, and safe mobility solutions with the environmental crisis serving as coffin nails for a very bad habit.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alon: The reason I showed that photo from Siena is because big facade-to-facade public spaces are really, really great things and I think the people of NYC want them! Not &quot;so what&quot; but &quot;so, when?&quot; Washington Square Park is still more of a park then a square.

You talk about these major roads as if they have always been there and will always be there because if they don&#039;t then the sky will fall. Right? If Bway between Times and Herald Squares is not peopled enough then get different businesses in there, change zoning if necessary, pay for some bands to play there.

I don&#039;t disagree about some positive effects of taxis, etc. within the current environment but of course this is because they have a person in them. So, people are the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alon: The reason I showed that photo from Siena is because big facade-to-facade public spaces are really, really great things and I think the people of NYC want them! Not &#8220;so what&#8221; but &#8220;so, when?&#8221; Washington Square Park is still more of a park then a square.</p>
<p>You talk about these major roads as if they have always been there and will always be there because if they don&#8217;t then the sky will fall. Right? If Bway between Times and Herald Squares is not peopled enough then get different businesses in there, change zoning if necessary, pay for some bands to play there.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree about some positive effects of taxis, etc. within the current environment but of course this is because they have a person in them. So, people are the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd: okay, you&#039;ve shown me an image of a piazza surrounded by narrow streets, i.e. not a major road. The removal of 5th Avenue through Washington Square was a success, too; so what?

Lighting at night and cars have nothing to do with each other. On the contrary, when it comes to safety, the adviceyou&#039;d get in the ghetto is to avoid parks, and, depending on the neighborhood, one-way streets. Roaming taxis can provide a surprising amount of safety.

And whatever the result was ten years ago, the result today is that Times Square was full of pedestrians both before and after pedestrianization, while the Broadway stretch between Times and Herald Squares has few people in daytime and none after dark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd: okay, you&#8217;ve shown me an image of a piazza surrounded by narrow streets, i.e. not a major road. The removal of 5th Avenue through Washington Square was a success, too; so what?</p>
<p>Lighting at night and cars have nothing to do with each other. On the contrary, when it comes to safety, the adviceyou&#8217;d get in the ghetto is to avoid parks, and, depending on the neighborhood, one-way streets. Roaming taxis can provide a surprising amount of safety.</p>
<p>And whatever the result was ten years ago, the result today is that Times Square was full of pedestrians both before and after pedestrianization, while the Broadway stretch between Times and Herald Squares has few people in daytime and none after dark.</p>
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