Comments on: Advocating for Bike and Ped Access in Cleveland, With a Beat http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/02/12/advocating-for-bike-and-ped-access-in-cleveland-with-a-beat/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Andy B from Jersey http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/02/12/advocating-for-bike-and-ped-access-in-cleveland-with-a-beat/comment-page-1/#comment-202611 Andy B from Jersey Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:05:04 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=148391#comment-202611 Emilio, Good luck with that lawsuit. I hope you set a precedent! Emilio,

Good luck with that lawsuit. I hope you set a precedent!

]]> By: Emelio http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/02/12/advocating-for-bike-and-ped-access-in-cleveland-with-a-beat/comment-page-1/#comment-202541 Emelio Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:00:45 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=148391#comment-202541 Jeff: I would add that the ped/bike access on this bridge is not only important for attracting young people, but vastly important for the people who have been living here all their lives, without a car... there are many carless homes in neighborhoods (tremont, downtown, central) adjacent to this project. Andy: There in fact has been a lawsuit filed against ODOT! Jeff: I would add that the ped/bike access on this bridge is not only important for attracting young people, but vastly important for the people who have been living here all their lives, without a car… there are many carless homes in neighborhoods (tremont, downtown, central) adjacent to this project.

Andy: There in fact has been a lawsuit filed against ODOT!

]]> By: Aaron Naparstek http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/02/12/advocating-for-bike-and-ped-access-in-cleveland-with-a-beat/comment-page-1/#comment-202131 Aaron Naparstek Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:52:29 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=148391#comment-202131 <blockquote>I don't understand how in 2010 someone can design a bridge near downtown and not think to add pedestrian and bike facilities.</blockquote> Cleveland's decision-makers have been busy wrecking and gutting the city and moving into ever-further eastern suburbs going on 40 years now. Why stop now? When you've turned most of your downtown into a giant surface parking lot, why plan for any other mode than cars? It's very sad.

I don’t understand how in 2010 someone can design a bridge near downtown and not think to add pedestrian and bike facilities.

Cleveland’s decision-makers have been busy wrecking and gutting the city and moving into ever-further eastern suburbs going on 40 years now. Why stop now? When you’ve turned most of your downtown into a giant surface parking lot, why plan for any other mode than cars? It’s very sad.

]]> By: Andy B from Jersey http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/02/12/advocating-for-bike-and-ped-access-in-cleveland-with-a-beat/comment-page-1/#comment-201781 Andy B from Jersey Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:14:42 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=148391#comment-201781 If they are taking Federal funds for the project there is probably a good legal footing to sue ODOT. I've only looked at the area on Google but there does seem to be a number of other bridges across the river but locals say that they are highly inconvenient. Still ODOT suffers from the typical DOT myopia that doesn't consider Bike-Ped infrastructure from the beginning and then holds public hearings to "gather public input" after all the engineers have made up their minds. If they are taking Federal funds for the project there is probably a good legal footing to sue ODOT.

I’ve only looked at the area on Google but there does seem to be a number of other bridges across the river but locals say that they are highly inconvenient.

Still ODOT suffers from the typical DOT myopia that doesn’t consider Bike-Ped infrastructure from the beginning and then holds public hearings to “gather public input” after all the engineers have made up their minds.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/02/12/advocating-for-bike-and-ped-access-in-cleveland-with-a-beat/comment-page-1/#comment-201701 Jeff Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:00:29 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=148391#comment-201701 Jonathan: That's fine if economics are the reason our generation prefers to live in walkable, urban environments. I don't care why this trend is happening, but the point is, the trend is happening. So if cities like Cleveland want to retain and attract younger residents and remain viable, then they're going to have to adapt. Jonathan:

That’s fine if economics are the reason our generation prefers to live in walkable, urban environments. I don’t care why this trend is happening, but the point is, the trend is happening. So if cities like Cleveland want to retain and attract younger residents and remain viable, then they’re going to have to adapt.

]]> By: jass http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/02/12/advocating-for-bike-and-ped-access-in-cleveland-with-a-beat/comment-page-1/#comment-201681 jass Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:51:34 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=148391#comment-201681 I don't understand how in 2010 someone can design a bridge near downtown and not think to add pedestrian and bike facilities. I don’t understand how in 2010 someone can design a bridge near downtown and not think to add pedestrian and bike facilities.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/02/12/advocating-for-bike-and-ped-access-in-cleveland-with-a-beat/comment-page-1/#comment-201641 Jonathan Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:26:39 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=148391#comment-201641 <blockquote>our generation prefers to live in walkable, urban environments</blockquote>Jeff, it's cheaper to share an apartment in New York and take transit everywhere than to live in a midwestern city and have to insure and maintain a car. You could use the same rhetorical technique to reason that people with limited resources “prefer” instant noodles to more nutrient-laden diets.

our generation prefers to live in walkable, urban environments

Jeff, it’s cheaper to share an apartment in New York and take transit everywhere than to live in a midwestern city and have to insure and maintain a car. You could use the same rhetorical technique to reason that people with limited resources “prefer” instant noodles to more nutrient-laden diets.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/02/12/advocating-for-bike-and-ped-access-in-cleveland-with-a-beat/comment-page-1/#comment-201591 Jeff Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:53:09 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=148391#comment-201591 And people wonder why it's so common these days for Ohioans to flock to New York City. You think it might have something to do with the walkability of our bridges? Obviously I'm not seriously implying that Ohioans are moving to the East Coast specifically so that they can cross major urban bodies of water on foot and bike. But the point is, given what we have seen lately with major bike and pedestrian improvements in small- and medium-sized cities, folks across the country are finally started to wake up and see that our generation prefers to live in walkable, urban environments, and is beginning to structure public policy and public works projects accordingly. Wake up, Ohio! The days of the auto-worship are drawing to a close! Either adapt, or sit by and watch your cities continue to become irrelevant! And people wonder why it’s so common these days for Ohioans to flock to New York City. You think it might have something to do with the walkability of our bridges?

Obviously I’m not seriously implying that Ohioans are moving to the East Coast specifically so that they can cross major urban bodies of water on foot and bike. But the point is, given what we have seen lately with major bike and pedestrian improvements in small- and medium-sized cities, folks across the country are finally started to wake up and see that our generation prefers to live in walkable, urban environments, and is beginning to structure public policy and public works projects accordingly.

Wake up, Ohio! The days of the auto-worship are drawing to a close! Either adapt, or sit by and watch your cities continue to become irrelevant!

]]> By: Aaron Naparstek http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/02/12/advocating-for-bike-and-ped-access-in-cleveland-with-a-beat/comment-page-1/#comment-201571 Aaron Naparstek Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:25:11 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=148391#comment-201571 All I can say is ODOT is extremely whack. Or something like that. All I can say is ODOT is extremely whack. Or something like that.

]]> By: Paul Steely White http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/02/12/advocating-for-bike-and-ped-access-in-cleveland-with-a-beat/comment-page-1/#comment-201531 Paul Steely White Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:58:39 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=148391#comment-201531 Wow! Who knew that Cleveland native Aaron Naparstek could rap with such soulful conviction? or that he would look so fresh with a beard?! Aaron: Kudos for spreading your wings so widely in your post Streetsblog career!! Wow! Who knew that Cleveland native Aaron Naparstek could rap with such soulful conviction? or that he would look so fresh with a beard?! Aaron: Kudos for spreading your wings so widely in your post Streetsblog career!!

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