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	<title>Comments on: MTA, DOT Sketch Out East Side Plans: Separated Lanes for Bikes, Not Buses</title>
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		<title>By: Benton</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/01/15/mta-dot-sketch-out-east-side-plans-separated-lanes-for-bikes-not-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-248721</link>
		<dc:creator>Benton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 18:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#35-38 = I agree NY is not Europe or China, but those areas also have more cyclists because they have better biking infrastructure.  We need to plan and design a city that promotes alternatives to polluting traffic jams.  The distances in this city are remarkably small compared to most major cities in the world, which makes biking a very powerful mode of transport for a large number of people.  

I ride frequently on the streets with or without bike lanes. I am very alert and safety conscious, but I&#039;ve had a number of close calls.  If the city is a safe place to cycle, then more people will ride a bike.  And unless the bike lane system is comprehensive and linked together, then it&#039;s hard for many people to get where they want to.  When commuters start looking out their window and see bikes whizzing by while their taxi meter runs up, they might buy a bike as well.  Not to mention (as many have above) the number of children and teenagers that would be able to safely ride with distinct bike lanes.

It is inevitable that as winter approaches less people will ride their bikes.  But, with just a little bit a warm gear, a splash guard and maybe a pancho - it&#039;s still a great way to get where you&#039;re going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#35-38 = I agree NY is not Europe or China, but those areas also have more cyclists because they have better biking infrastructure.  We need to plan and design a city that promotes alternatives to polluting traffic jams.  The distances in this city are remarkably small compared to most major cities in the world, which makes biking a very powerful mode of transport for a large number of people.  </p>
<p>I ride frequently on the streets with or without bike lanes. I am very alert and safety conscious, but I&#8217;ve had a number of close calls.  If the city is a safe place to cycle, then more people will ride a bike.  And unless the bike lane system is comprehensive and linked together, then it&#8217;s hard for many people to get where they want to.  When commuters start looking out their window and see bikes whizzing by while their taxi meter runs up, they might buy a bike as well.  Not to mention (as many have above) the number of children and teenagers that would be able to safely ride with distinct bike lanes.</p>
<p>It is inevitable that as winter approaches less people will ride their bikes.  But, with just a little bit a warm gear, a splash guard and maybe a pancho &#8211; it&#8217;s still a great way to get where you&#8217;re going.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Lee Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Lee Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 06:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Huff #35-37.  Biking fills in the holes in the public transit infrastructure.  That&#039;s the main reason I think it&#039;s really taking off in Brooklyn.  If you only saw Brooklyn by Bus or Subway, you&#039;d experience only a fraction.  You should hear Chuck Schumer wax poetic about biking Brooklyn.  The main reason, I think, the Velib&#039; bike share is popular in Paris is it fills in the holes.  The Metro stops running around 1AM and starts again around 5AM and most night buses come hourly.  Bikes ad so much flexibility in moving across the city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Huff #35-37.  Biking fills in the holes in the public transit infrastructure.  That&#8217;s the main reason I think it&#8217;s really taking off in Brooklyn.  If you only saw Brooklyn by Bus or Subway, you&#8217;d experience only a fraction.  You should hear Chuck Schumer wax poetic about biking Brooklyn.  The main reason, I think, the Velib&#8217; bike share is popular in Paris is it fills in the holes.  The Metro stops running around 1AM and starts again around 5AM and most night buses come hourly.  Bikes ad so much flexibility in moving across the city.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Huff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AlexB #36 Well Alex if you actually use the bike lanes year round then you are in the minority in this City. All I see is a wasted lane of traffic which increases the noise from vehicles with their horns honking, more traffic accidents, an increase in vehicle congestion and pollution.  Overall I think all those bike lanes are a bad idea in a crowded City with such limited space available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AlexB #36 Well Alex if you actually use the bike lanes year round then you are in the minority in this City. All I see is a wasted lane of traffic which increases the noise from vehicles with their horns honking, more traffic accidents, an increase in vehicle congestion and pollution.  Overall I think all those bike lanes are a bad idea in a crowded City with such limited space available.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Huff, #35: You are wrong.  Biking is one of the most pleasant and fastest ways to get to work, especially when you don&#039;t have to fight traffic.  I bike to work year round and love it.  When it&#039;s cold and rainy, you often have to wear a poncho and warm coat anyway, so what&#039;s the big deal?  When people can get to and from work safely and have a secure and convenient place to store their bike, many people will make the switch.  I work on Broadway and there are cyclists going up and down it all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Huff, #35: You are wrong.  Biking is one of the most pleasant and fastest ways to get to work, especially when you don&#8217;t have to fight traffic.  I bike to work year round and love it.  When it&#8217;s cold and rainy, you often have to wear a poncho and warm coat anyway, so what&#8217;s the big deal?  When people can get to and from work safely and have a secure and convenient place to store their bike, many people will make the switch.  I work on Broadway and there are cyclists going up and down it all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Huff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on?? Those bike lanes are a total waste of time and space.  I hardly ever see any bicycle riders use them especially in the cold winter weather or even during the warmer weather, usually I see homeless people use them to roll their carts on when looking for bottles and cans to turn in.  All those lanes do is increase the vehicle traffic by blocking one lane for bikes and making all the cars, buses and trucks use the remaning lanes.  This is not some City in a country in Europe or Asia where alot of people use bikes and it never will be!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on?? Those bike lanes are a total waste of time and space.  I hardly ever see any bicycle riders use them especially in the cold winter weather or even during the warmer weather, usually I see homeless people use them to roll their carts on when looking for bottles and cans to turn in.  All those lanes do is increase the vehicle traffic by blocking one lane for bikes and making all the cars, buses and trucks use the remaning lanes.  This is not some City in a country in Europe or Asia where alot of people use bikes and it never will be!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about curb bumpouts at intersection corners?  I think they need to include those to reduce the crosswalk lengths and increase pedestrian visibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about curb bumpouts at intersection corners?  I think they need to include those to reduce the crosswalk lengths and increase pedestrian visibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Ortiz</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/01/15/mta-dot-sketch-out-east-side-plans-separated-lanes-for-bikes-not-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-188801</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Ortiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love both plans but there&#039;s one thing that&#039;s missing. It only favors Manhattan! 

What about having a plan like this for other parts of the city? I agree there has been a lot more bike lanes installed but there&#039;s still a huge need to get more protected bike lanes in the other boroughs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love both plans but there&#8217;s one thing that&#8217;s missing. It only favors Manhattan! </p>
<p>What about having a plan like this for other parts of the city? I agree there has been a lot more bike lanes installed but there&#8217;s still a huge need to get more protected bike lanes in the other boroughs.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, only thought is that if a local bus is stopped at the bus stop, the SBS bus can&#039;t pass because of the dividers you have separating the bus and bike lanes, as well as the bollards to keep cars out of the bike lane. As a biker, I love the separations, but I think the SBS has to be able to pass the local to maintain speed.

Are you going to send these drawings to anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, only thought is that if a local bus is stopped at the bus stop, the SBS bus can&#8217;t pass because of the dividers you have separating the bus and bike lanes, as well as the bollards to keep cars out of the bike lane. As a biker, I love the separations, but I think the SBS has to be able to pass the local to maintain speed.</p>
<p>Are you going to send these drawings to anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: AlexB</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/01/15/mta-dot-sketch-out-east-side-plans-separated-lanes-for-bikes-not-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-188481</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, you are right, that is exactly what I had in mind too.  

Excellent drawings and renderings.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, you are right, that is exactly what I had in mind too.  </p>
<p>Excellent drawings and renderings.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: David_K</title>
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		<dc:creator>David_K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, after a harrowing ride this morning up First Ave, past Bellvue and NYU Medical Center, I saw your plans.  They look great, and if the city would follow these, I think everyone would be much happier (pedestrians, bus riders and grudgingly even drivers).

I am mildly concerned about peds in the bike lanes, especially by Bellvue (I assume that the busses would have to go on the east side of 1st Ave, to accomodate people leaving the L train at 14th, and going to the hospitals) -- those areas get quite crowded, and I&#039;m concerned about peds standing in the bike lanes. 

Overall it looks beautiful though.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, after a harrowing ride this morning up First Ave, past Bellvue and NYU Medical Center, I saw your plans.  They look great, and if the city would follow these, I think everyone would be much happier (pedestrians, bus riders and grudgingly even drivers).</p>
<p>I am mildly concerned about peds in the bike lanes, especially by Bellvue (I assume that the busses would have to go on the east side of 1st Ave, to accomodate people leaving the L train at 14th, and going to the hospitals) &#8212; those areas get quite crowded, and I&#8217;m concerned about peds standing in the bike lanes. </p>
<p>Overall it looks beautiful though.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2010/01/15/mta-dot-sketch-out-east-side-plans-separated-lanes-for-bikes-not-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-187671</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems to be the first time that pretty much everyone (residents, community boards, electeds, etc) want the same thing here, but for some reason the design has not serviced the goals.  

I know MTA and DOT had concerns, so I&#039;ve read through their notes and spent some time this weekend thinking about how to service the goals, while addressing their concerns.  

I drew up a design here: http://www.seankenney.com/downloads/streetsblog/east-side-sbs.jpg   More renderings at http://www.flickr.com/photos/seankenney/tags/sbs/

I&#039;m curious to everyone&#039;s thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to be the first time that pretty much everyone (residents, community boards, electeds, etc) want the same thing here, but for some reason the design has not serviced the goals.  </p>
<p>I know MTA and DOT had concerns, so I&#8217;ve read through their notes and spent some time this weekend thinking about how to service the goals, while addressing their concerns.  </p>
<p>I drew up a design here: <a href="http://www.seankenney.com/downloads/streetsblog/east-side-sbs.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.seankenney.com/downloads/streetsblog/east-side-sbs.jpg</a>   More renderings at <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/seankenney/tags/sbs/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/seankenney/tags/sbs/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious to everyone&#8217;s thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BicyclesOnly, I like your idea, but I would like to add that the flexards between the bus lane and bike lane are the most important part. Cycling in the bus lane doesn&#039;t sound too pleasant, so you&#039;d need the flexards to give cyclists the security that they aren&#039;t going to run down by the leapfrogging buses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BicyclesOnly, I like your idea, but I would like to add that the flexards between the bus lane and bike lane are the most important part. Cycling in the bus lane doesn&#8217;t sound too pleasant, so you&#8217;d need the flexards to give cyclists the security that they aren&#8217;t going to run down by the leapfrogging buses.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without sweating the details this looks like a great improvement and will probably use it all the time as a cyclist: more space for the people!

Regarding bus accommodation it will probably be better than Madison Avenue which (without any expert knowlege) seems to work quite well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without sweating the details this looks like a great improvement and will probably use it all the time as a cyclist: more space for the people!</p>
<p>Regarding bus accommodation it will probably be better than Madison Avenue which (without any expert knowlege) seems to work quite well</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Sean. I commute to Midtown East daily and see just what you describe.  I favor a curb bus lane paired with a separated bike path both separated from traffic by a floating parking lane, with flexards and a buffer between the buses and the bikes.  It might be a little less pleasant for cyclists than the cycle tracks depicted in the schemes unveiled last night, but it has a couple of advantages.  

First, by combining bus and cycle path in a two-lane separated path, then if a truck somehow gets into the path to park at the curb, the bus can detour around it through the cyclist portion.  This should happen only rarely and since we are talking about professional drivers who are driving over the flexards it would be done carefully.  It&#039;s a sacrifice I&#039;m willing to make to keep the buses running and the address the overblown MTA concern that the bus will be &quot;trapped&quot; in a separated lane.

Second, I think the cycle track, standing alone, is a very vulnerable political target that may be sacrificed as soon as there is a fight over reduced parking.  If the cycle track is seen as a dual purpose roadway--ordinarily bikes, who always have the right of way, but occasionally an emergency bus &quot;escape route&quot; for use only when a bus must get around another vehicle that is illegally blocking the separated bus route--it ties the political fortunes of the two together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Sean. I commute to Midtown East daily and see just what you describe.  I favor a curb bus lane paired with a separated bike path both separated from traffic by a floating parking lane, with flexards and a buffer between the buses and the bikes.  It might be a little less pleasant for cyclists than the cycle tracks depicted in the schemes unveiled last night, but it has a couple of advantages.  </p>
<p>First, by combining bus and cycle path in a two-lane separated path, then if a truck somehow gets into the path to park at the curb, the bus can detour around it through the cyclist portion.  This should happen only rarely and since we are talking about professional drivers who are driving over the flexards it would be done carefully.  It&#8217;s a sacrifice I&#8217;m willing to make to keep the buses running and the address the overblown MTA concern that the bus will be &#8220;trapped&#8221; in a separated lane.</p>
<p>Second, I think the cycle track, standing alone, is a very vulnerable political target that may be sacrificed as soon as there is a fight over reduced parking.  If the cycle track is seen as a dual purpose roadway&#8211;ordinarily bikes, who always have the right of way, but occasionally an emergency bus &#8220;escape route&#8221; for use only when a bus must get around another vehicle that is illegally blocking the separated bus route&#8211;it ties the political fortunes of the two together.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disclaimer: I&#039;m an East Midtown resident and I bike over the Queensboro bridge to LIC every day.  I ride a dorky commuter bike, signal my turns, and do my best to keep my cycling calm and friendly.  Like the other 1000 rush hour Queensboro bridge users, I have no way to get to work safely.

East midtown at morning rush hour is a psychotic zoo of high-speed maniacal driving.  Every few moments, the bus lanes are obstructed by taxi drop offs outside office buildings, big delivery trucks (water, beer, USPS, etc), and idling private buses (Hampton Jitney, etc).  

Buses don&#039;t pass me on my bike - I pass buses.  In 20 blocks, I pass several buses on my slow bike ride because they can&#039;t get through the mess.   And when the bus lane is not full of vehicles  &quot;stopped for a just a sec&quot;, commuters and taxis flood into the &quot;free space&quot; of the bus lane to pass slower traffic in their rush to get to work on time.  

We here at Streetsblog are a creative and insightful bunch, and are clearly all underwhelmed by the DOT&#039;s proposal.  I think we all need to team up and present our own rebuttle of a proposal here and pass it along via TA to the DOT.  Who&#039;s with me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disclaimer: I&#8217;m an East Midtown resident and I bike over the Queensboro bridge to LIC every day.  I ride a dorky commuter bike, signal my turns, and do my best to keep my cycling calm and friendly.  Like the other 1000 rush hour Queensboro bridge users, I have no way to get to work safely.</p>
<p>East midtown at morning rush hour is a psychotic zoo of high-speed maniacal driving.  Every few moments, the bus lanes are obstructed by taxi drop offs outside office buildings, big delivery trucks (water, beer, USPS, etc), and idling private buses (Hampton Jitney, etc).  </p>
<p>Buses don&#8217;t pass me on my bike &#8211; I pass buses.  In 20 blocks, I pass several buses on my slow bike ride because they can&#8217;t get through the mess.   And when the bus lane is not full of vehicles  &#8220;stopped for a just a sec&#8221;, commuters and taxis flood into the &#8220;free space&#8221; of the bus lane to pass slower traffic in their rush to get to work on time.  </p>
<p>We here at Streetsblog are a creative and insightful bunch, and are clearly all underwhelmed by the DOT&#8217;s proposal.  I think we all need to team up and present our own rebuttle of a proposal here and pass it along via TA to the DOT.  Who&#8217;s with me?</p>
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		<title>By: Danny G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not bad for a beta release.</description>
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		<title>By: zgori</title>
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		<dc:creator>zgori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t they get it? Enforcement doesn&#039;t work when delivery companies get their tickets dismissed en masse!

I use first and second ave every day to get to work, either by bike or by bus. I&#039;m seriously considering getting a car. If I can find two coworkers to carpool with me from Brooklyn we can pay for off street parking for the same price as we&#039;re now paying for metrocards. I was hoping this plan was going to make my life easier, but it looks now like it won&#039;t help much at all. The clear message from the city and state these past few years is that cars are always going to come first, so I might as well just accept that and join in. I&#039;d cut my commute from 50 to 15 mins each way.</description>
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<p>I use first and second ave every day to get to work, either by bike or by bus. I&#8217;m seriously considering getting a car. If I can find two coworkers to carpool with me from Brooklyn we can pay for off street parking for the same price as we&#8217;re now paying for metrocards. I was hoping this plan was going to make my life easier, but it looks now like it won&#8217;t help much at all. The clear message from the city and state these past few years is that cars are always going to come first, so I might as well just accept that and join in. I&#8217;d cut my commute from 50 to 15 mins each way.</p>
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		<title>By: jass</title>
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		<dc:creator>jass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The logic behind not using separated bus lanes is not very good at all. I&#039;d stick the bus lane on the left side of the street next to the bike lane (like the paris picture linked above). Boarding would be done from islands taken from parking. 

Even worse is when the bus lane is between parking and the rest of the street. 

&quot;While the offset bus lane is expected to reduce travel times the most, the MTA and DOT argued that it was inappropriate for narrower or busier parts of the corridor.&quot;

That&#039;s just completely false. We have a lane like that in Boston, it&#039;s impossible to enforce because cars are allowed to use it to park (and make right turns). So any ticket can be countered with &quot;I was parking&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The logic behind not using separated bus lanes is not very good at all. I&#8217;d stick the bus lane on the left side of the street next to the bike lane (like the paris picture linked above). Boarding would be done from islands taken from parking. </p>
<p>Even worse is when the bus lane is between parking and the rest of the street. </p>
<p>&#8220;While the offset bus lane is expected to reduce travel times the most, the MTA and DOT argued that it was inappropriate for narrower or busier parts of the corridor.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just completely false. We have a lane like that in Boston, it&#8217;s impossible to enforce because cars are allowed to use it to park (and make right turns). So any ticket can be countered with &#8220;I was parking&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only a tiny percentage of New Yorkers will risk riding through the Midtown Meat Grinder. Would you let your 12 year old kid or your mom ride through midtown protected only by sharrows? The short protected lanes will be useful for local trips but are as useless for commuting. First &amp; Second Avenues are very wide. A decision was made to give all the space to people who drive, and no space to people who bike. The sharrows are a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only a tiny percentage of New Yorkers will risk riding through the Midtown Meat Grinder. Would you let your 12 year old kid or your mom ride through midtown protected only by sharrows? The short protected lanes will be useful for local trips but are as useless for commuting. First &amp; Second Avenues are very wide. A decision was made to give all the space to people who drive, and no space to people who bike. The sharrows are a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AlexB, you said it: extend the bike lanes to the work area. Hear, hear.

Bicycles Only: Thanks for the details. After reading your post, I verified that the lanes in the renderings were one-way lanes. As far as looping over to Broadway to go downtown, what do you do with the younger cyclists between 47th St and 42nd St, now that Times Square has been pedestrianized? Also, do you have any suggestions about what to do about salmon-cycling families who will be using the 1st Ave lane for downtown trips to avoid the lack of facilities on 2nd Ave? Maybe we should advocate for two-way lanes on both 1st and 2nd Avenues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AlexB, you said it: extend the bike lanes to the work area. Hear, hear.</p>
<p>Bicycles Only: Thanks for the details. After reading your post, I verified that the lanes in the renderings were one-way lanes. As far as looping over to Broadway to go downtown, what do you do with the younger cyclists between 47th St and 42nd St, now that Times Square has been pedestrianized? Also, do you have any suggestions about what to do about salmon-cycling families who will be using the 1st Ave lane for downtown trips to avoid the lack of facilities on 2nd Ave? Maybe we should advocate for two-way lanes on both 1st and 2nd Avenues.</p>
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