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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Official: Chicago Parking Privatization a Massive Rip-Off</title>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/11/20/its-official-chicago-parking-privatization-a-massive-rip-off/comment-page-1/#comment-180451</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely hard to tell the difference between a crank and a bad troll. Either way, there is no honor in incompetence: A bad troll fails at rhetoric while any crack fails at reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely hard to tell the difference between a crank and a bad troll. Either way, there is no honor in incompetence: A bad troll fails at rhetoric while any crack fails at reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a troll, Ian, I think it&#039;s a crank.  Do you have ratings for those?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a troll, Ian, I think it&#8217;s a crank.  Do you have ratings for those?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/11/20/its-official-chicago-parking-privatization-a-massive-rip-off/comment-page-1/#comment-180231</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rate this troll 1 out of 5. It was better than the one we got over New Year&#039;s, but only just. You did well to try to start out with something simple and then head toward something outrageous, but more subtlety is needed to make it work. Please study the Old Masters some more before returning.

Thanks,

--Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rate this troll 1 out of 5. It was better than the one we got over New Year&#8217;s, but only just. You did well to try to start out with something simple and then head toward something outrageous, but more subtlety is needed to make it work. Please study the Old Masters some more before returning.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>&#8211;Ian</p>
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		<title>By: Ram Gouda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ram Gouda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These people who support the &quot;raising of parking rates in order to be at a &quot;normal&quot; market rate fail to see one frkkin thing. 
The streets and meters are owned by the taxpayers and should be used accordingly.  
When the city sells off a citizen owned asset and then pays it&#039;s own poorly managed bills and management of the citizens systems- not to mention corrupt run systems- it is a failure o the entire purpose of government. 
Please- this is a gross misuse of a citizen owned asset and is a total fAilure of government. 
The other thin you&#039;re missing is that the government is supposed to &quot;work for it&#039;s income&quot; and provide efficient services for the people and with the peoples taxes. The problem is that now all that revenue-taxed illegally and taken from the hardworking people- needs to be put to productive use 
also whatever happened to &quot;working for it&#039;s living&quot; in the government system? 
Shouldn&#039;t he business of government be run &quot;like a business&quot; Instead of like a street gang? Stealing from the working stiffs and passing the waste along to the corrupt chicAgo system is the first thing that&#039;s wrong. Now they are stealing from people who have to actually work for a living and now lining the greedy asses pockets on wall street.  I don&#039;t know which could he worse.  They&#039;re both corrupt in different ways and are both ethically and morally bankrupt.  Down with both of them.  We need to break these meters again like when this first started. It&#039;s a criminal tax on us all and now produces no benefit except to pay daleys corrupt debt bill.  WTF?  Are you people retARded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These people who support the &#8220;raising of parking rates in order to be at a &#8220;normal&#8221; market rate fail to see one frkkin thing.<br />
The streets and meters are owned by the taxpayers and should be used accordingly.<br />
When the city sells off a citizen owned asset and then pays it&#8217;s own poorly managed bills and management of the citizens systems- not to mention corrupt run systems- it is a failure o the entire purpose of government.<br />
Please- this is a gross misuse of a citizen owned asset and is a total fAilure of government.<br />
The other thin you&#8217;re missing is that the government is supposed to &#8220;work for it&#8217;s income&#8221; and provide efficient services for the people and with the peoples taxes. The problem is that now all that revenue-taxed illegally and taken from the hardworking people- needs to be put to productive use<br />
also whatever happened to &#8220;working for it&#8217;s living&#8221; in the government system?<br />
Shouldn&#8217;t he business of government be run &#8220;like a business&#8221; Instead of like a street gang? Stealing from the working stiffs and passing the waste along to the corrupt chicAgo system is the first thing that&#8217;s wrong. Now they are stealing from people who have to actually work for a living and now lining the greedy asses pockets on wall street.  I don&#8217;t know which could he worse.  They&#8217;re both corrupt in different ways and are both ethically and morally bankrupt.  Down with both of them.  We need to break these meters again like when this first started. It&#8217;s a criminal tax on us all and now produces no benefit except to pay daleys corrupt debt bill.  WTF?  Are you people retARded?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/11/20/its-official-chicago-parking-privatization-a-massive-rip-off/comment-page-1/#comment-161521</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

The point that I was trying to make is that if you take 75 years of revenue and spend it all up front, then in 50 years time you will be (a) without infrastructure, as the stuff you built is all beyond its useful life, and (b) without revenue which you could use to build new infrastructure, because you spent it all 50 years previous. Thus, even if you spent all the money on infrastructure, it doesn&#039;t make sense to grab money from 75 years in the future and spend it now. The only exception I can think of is if you are damned sure that the result of your investment today will result in future economic growth that you could then tax to build more infrastructure. But the risks of screwing that up are so great that its extremely rare such bets should not be left to the private sector.

The nature of compound interest, which you rightly point out, means that when you steal money from the future in order to spend it today, you are doubly screwed because tomorrow&#039;s money is not worth nearly as much today as it would be tomorrow. In 75 years, a dollar of parking revenue will turn out to have bought just 5 cents of infrastructure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>The point that I was trying to make is that if you take 75 years of revenue and spend it all up front, then in 50 years time you will be (a) without infrastructure, as the stuff you built is all beyond its useful life, and (b) without revenue which you could use to build new infrastructure, because you spent it all 50 years previous. Thus, even if you spent all the money on infrastructure, it doesn&#8217;t make sense to grab money from 75 years in the future and spend it now. The only exception I can think of is if you are damned sure that the result of your investment today will result in future economic growth that you could then tax to build more infrastructure. But the risks of screwing that up are so great that its extremely rare such bets should not be left to the private sector.</p>
<p>The nature of compound interest, which you rightly point out, means that when you steal money from the future in order to spend it today, you are doubly screwed because tomorrow&#8217;s money is not worth nearly as much today as it would be tomorrow. In 75 years, a dollar of parking revenue will turn out to have bought just 5 cents of infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, the lifespan of a potential infrastructure project has little bearing on the economic benefit it provides. For example, you might build a &quot;bridge to nowhere&quot; in Wasilla, Alaska with a 100-yr lifespan that never justifies itself from economic standpoint while a much-needed traffic light pays for itself in a few months. Besides, the present value of money past 30 years in the future is negligible -- the Chicago deal could&#039;ve been for 200 yrs and it wouldn&#039;t have changed the dollar amounts involved by much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, the lifespan of a potential infrastructure project has little bearing on the economic benefit it provides. For example, you might build a &#8220;bridge to nowhere&#8221; in Wasilla, Alaska with a 100-yr lifespan that never justifies itself from economic standpoint while a much-needed traffic light pays for itself in a few months. Besides, the present value of money past 30 years in the future is negligible &#8212; the Chicago deal could&#8217;ve been for 200 yrs and it wouldn&#8217;t have changed the dollar amounts involved by much.</p>
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		<title>By: PCC</title>
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		<dc:creator>PCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What riles me up most about this deal is that now Chicago will NEVER have a great network of complete streets. We no longer have control over how we use our public space. A lot of really cool ideas -- new bikeways, traffic calming, expanded bike parking, expanded plazas or sidewalks, new bus routes, rapid buses -- now have to wait for our great-grandchildren. To add insult to injury, the new parking operators started ripping out the old meters without consulting anyone, and now the city will have to spend millions of dollars replacing the lost bike parking!

And sure, &quot;outsourcing political will&quot; was accomplished here at a huge price (at least $1B), but do keep in mind that all the political blowback has fallen squarely on the mayor&#039;s shoulders. Meanwhile, other cities have adopted market-rate parking pricing without mass citizen revolt. In fact, I was working with my city councilmen on a Parking Benefit District proposal for my neighborhood; they were so amenable that they even introduced legislation to start changing the rates, but all that quickly died when news of this deal hit. Market pricing was coming, and soon -- and it would have been more locally responsive than what the flat-rate pricing that LAZ charges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What riles me up most about this deal is that now Chicago will NEVER have a great network of complete streets. We no longer have control over how we use our public space. A lot of really cool ideas &#8212; new bikeways, traffic calming, expanded bike parking, expanded plazas or sidewalks, new bus routes, rapid buses &#8212; now have to wait for our great-grandchildren. To add insult to injury, the new parking operators started ripping out the old meters without consulting anyone, and now the city will have to spend millions of dollars replacing the lost bike parking!</p>
<p>And sure, &#8220;outsourcing political will&#8221; was accomplished here at a huge price (at least $1B), but do keep in mind that all the political blowback has fallen squarely on the mayor&#8217;s shoulders. Meanwhile, other cities have adopted market-rate parking pricing without mass citizen revolt. In fact, I was working with my city councilmen on a Parking Benefit District proposal for my neighborhood; they were so amenable that they even introduced legislation to start changing the rates, but all that quickly died when news of this deal hit. Market pricing was coming, and soon &#8212; and it would have been more locally responsive than what the flat-rate pricing that LAZ charges.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; No way will air travel be supported at its current levels in 75 years. That&#039;s a bet against the future I&#039;d gladly take. 

Do I need to point out that they aren&#039;t your odds to decide?

You will be dead in 75 years, and therefore you have no natural sovereignty over the state of the airports in 75 years. You&#039;re making decisions for the future, before the future is born; they have no recourse once if they are screwed.

I may think my neighbor is an idiot for spending 30% of his income on beer instead of savings; but it is not my money to decide-with. Similarly, maybe the airports will in fact be useless in 2090; it&#039;s still not your call to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; No way will air travel be supported at its current levels in 75 years. That&#8217;s a bet against the future I&#8217;d gladly take. </p>
<p>Do I need to point out that they aren&#8217;t your odds to decide?</p>
<p>You will be dead in 75 years, and therefore you have no natural sovereignty over the state of the airports in 75 years. You&#8217;re making decisions for the future, before the future is born; they have no recourse once if they are screwed.</p>
<p>I may think my neighbor is an idiot for spending 30% of his income on beer instead of savings; but it is not my money to decide-with. Similarly, maybe the airports will in fact be useless in 2090; it&#8217;s still not your call to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/11/20/its-official-chicago-parking-privatization-a-massive-rip-off/comment-page-1/#comment-160711</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If Chicago were to use proceeds to invest in additional infrastructure I think the deal makes sense if they got the right price. Sadly, I don&#039;t think that&#039;ll be the case.&quot;

If it weren&#039;t the case that a majority of the money would be used in the first two years, there wouldn&#039;t have been any interest in doing the deal.  That was the whole point.  And it isn&#039;t just this decision or the federal debt, it is almost every decision for nearly 30 years, getting particularly bad after 1992 in NY State and 2000 everywhere.

 “The people own the asset to be used today for this generation of people and not for 2050.&quot;

Those who are age 30 today will be age 80 in 2050, and in need.  What&#039;s going on isn&#039;t a  perpetual government policy to favor senior citizens over the young, who have other advantages.  It is a disadvantaging of generations born later that will hit hardest when they themselves are old.

Look at this week&#039;s issue of The Economist.  What to do about the soaring cost of entitlements?  You take anything from those at or near retirement, of course, so you have to take things from younger generations.  How about raising the age of eligibility for Medicare, to &quot;encourage people to work longer.&quot;   Doesn&#039;t The Economist understand that no one will hire a 55-year-old because of their health care costs, but they will hire a 65 year old because they get Medicare?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Chicago were to use proceeds to invest in additional infrastructure I think the deal makes sense if they got the right price. Sadly, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;ll be the case.&#8221;</p>
<p>If it weren&#8217;t the case that a majority of the money would be used in the first two years, there wouldn&#8217;t have been any interest in doing the deal.  That was the whole point.  And it isn&#8217;t just this decision or the federal debt, it is almost every decision for nearly 30 years, getting particularly bad after 1992 in NY State and 2000 everywhere.</p>
<p> “The people own the asset to be used today for this generation of people and not for 2050.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those who are age 30 today will be age 80 in 2050, and in need.  What&#8217;s going on isn&#8217;t a  perpetual government policy to favor senior citizens over the young, who have other advantages.  It is a disadvantaging of generations born later that will hit hardest when they themselves are old.</p>
<p>Look at this week&#8217;s issue of The Economist.  What to do about the soaring cost of entitlements?  You take anything from those at or near retirement, of course, so you have to take things from younger generations.  How about raising the age of eligibility for Medicare, to &#8220;encourage people to work longer.&#8221;   Doesn&#8217;t The Economist understand that no one will hire a 55-year-old because of their health care costs, but they will hire a 65 year old because they get Medicare?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

I don&#039;t think there is any infrastructure on offer with a 75-year lifetime, but please correct me if I&#039;m wrong. Note that the NYC subway doesn&#039;t count, as pretty much the entire system has been replaced at least once during its lifetime.

Cheers,

--Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is any infrastructure on offer with a 75-year lifetime, but please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong. Note that the NYC subway doesn&#8217;t count, as pretty much the entire system has been replaced at least once during its lifetime.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>&#8211;Ian</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry -- you keep talking about the current generation selling out future generations, and frankly the Chicago deal is a drop in the bucket compared to the federal deficit. But, the problem is use of proceeds. If Chicago were to use proceeds to invest in additional infrastructure I think the deal makes sense if they got the right price. Sadly, I don&#039;t think that&#039;ll be the case. Anyways, don&#039;t hate the structure, hate the players.

Also, forgot to mention this before, but zero cost of capital is equally moronic to an infinitely high one. Hard to imagine, but there is such a thing as over investment and China is driving 100 MPH towards their own day of reckoning. You might enjoy this report (the China report):

http://www.pivotcapital.com/research.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry &#8212; you keep talking about the current generation selling out future generations, and frankly the Chicago deal is a drop in the bucket compared to the federal deficit. But, the problem is use of proceeds. If Chicago were to use proceeds to invest in additional infrastructure I think the deal makes sense if they got the right price. Sadly, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;ll be the case. Anyways, don&#8217;t hate the structure, hate the players.</p>
<p>Also, forgot to mention this before, but zero cost of capital is equally moronic to an infinitely high one. Hard to imagine, but there is such a thing as over investment and China is driving 100 MPH towards their own day of reckoning. You might enjoy this report (the China report):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pivotcapital.com/research.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pivotcapital.com/research.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What everyone is also overlooking is a very important factor called risk. The City divested itself of all risk and cost associated with operating the parking meter system. For example, if gas prices shoot upward of $5, a very likely scenario given the 75 year term of the concession, driving will undoubtedly decrease.&quot;

This is why I have no problems with governments leasing off the airports for long-term deals.  No way will air travel be supported at its current levels in 75 years.  That&#039;s a bet against the future I&#039;d gladly take. 

But I largely agree with Larry.  This quote is astonishing, if not welcome for its candor: 

“The people own the asset to be used today for this generation of people and not for 2050&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What everyone is also overlooking is a very important factor called risk. The City divested itself of all risk and cost associated with operating the parking meter system. For example, if gas prices shoot upward of $5, a very likely scenario given the 75 year term of the concession, driving will undoubtedly decrease.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is why I have no problems with governments leasing off the airports for long-term deals.  No way will air travel be supported at its current levels in 75 years.  That&#8217;s a bet against the future I&#8217;d gladly take. </p>
<p>But I largely agree with Larry.  This quote is astonishing, if not welcome for its candor: </p>
<p>“The people own the asset to be used today for this generation of people and not for 2050&#8243;</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And indeed I&#039;d say this risk is very likely to materialize, once the institutional collapse that Larry is talking about takes place. It&#039;s a question of how soon that happens.&quot;

Tell me, how much moral obligation do you feel toward New York&#039;s &quot;moral obligation bonds?&quot; 

The state constitution says all borrowing has to be approved by referendum; otherwise, future legislatures and people would be burdened by the past.  So the judges appointed by the politicians came up with a ruse -- money could be borrowed as long as the funds to pay the debts were appropriated annually by each state legislature, thus not being an actual long term liability.  They called those moral obligation bonds.

I feel no moral obligation.  Put them at the top of things to cut.  Does that mean more can&#039;t be borrowed without a referendum?  Go ahead, make my day.

And speaking of which, I&#039;m not sure we should be paying back the three bond issues that WERE passed by referendum with a promise of the Second Avenue Subway, until we actually get the subway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And indeed I&#8217;d say this risk is very likely to materialize, once the institutional collapse that Larry is talking about takes place. It&#8217;s a question of how soon that happens.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tell me, how much moral obligation do you feel toward New York&#8217;s &#8220;moral obligation bonds?&#8221; </p>
<p>The state constitution says all borrowing has to be approved by referendum; otherwise, future legislatures and people would be burdened by the past.  So the judges appointed by the politicians came up with a ruse &#8212; money could be borrowed as long as the funds to pay the debts were appropriated annually by each state legislature, thus not being an actual long term liability.  They called those moral obligation bonds.</p>
<p>I feel no moral obligation.  Put them at the top of things to cut.  Does that mean more can&#8217;t be borrowed without a referendum?  Go ahead, make my day.</p>
<p>And speaking of which, I&#8217;m not sure we should be paying back the three bond issues that WERE passed by referendum with a promise of the Second Avenue Subway, until we actually get the subway.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John is correct, the greatest risk to Morgan Stanley is that the deal will be changed unilaterally sometime in the future, a la AIG bonus scandal. And indeed I&#039;d say this risk is very likely to materialize, once the institutional collapse that Larry is talking about takes place. It&#039;s a question of how soon that happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John is correct, the greatest risk to Morgan Stanley is that the deal will be changed unilaterally sometime in the future, a la AIG bonus scandal. And indeed I&#8217;d say this risk is very likely to materialize, once the institutional collapse that Larry is talking about takes place. It&#8217;s a question of how soon that happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/11/20/its-official-chicago-parking-privatization-a-massive-rip-off/comment-page-1/#comment-160581</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can see how they hook people in.  They hook in groups like the Manhattan Institute with the privitization angle.  They hook in environmentalists with the making drivers pay for their impact angle.  But it&#039;s all misdirection, and not worth arguing about.

What matters most of all is that this is yet another example of a generation that inherited the United States from those who came before selling it out from under those coming after.  That was the real motivation, and the real decision.  End of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can see how they hook people in.  They hook in groups like the Manhattan Institute with the privitization angle.  They hook in environmentalists with the making drivers pay for their impact angle.  But it&#8217;s all misdirection, and not worth arguing about.</p>
<p>What matters most of all is that this is yet another example of a generation that inherited the United States from those who came before selling it out from under those coming after.  That was the real motivation, and the real decision.  End of story.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kaehny</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Kaehny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be clear, the &quot;conservative&quot; estimate that Chicago could have earned $670m more by keeping the meters, is the present value calculation. So, investment risk is priced into that. Accordingly, the net annual meter revenue Morgan will keep in future years is much more than $8m. I&#039;d guess the main investment risk here to the Morgan consortium is that Chicago will seek to renege on the deal at some point, and it could turn into a big political and legal headache for investors. I&#039;ve heard from Wall St sources that this is why at least one major firm did not bid on this deal. Also, this piece does not claim the bidding was rigged. Only that it was secret and opaque to the public and the city council. The public finance assumptions and considerations now being aired were never made explicit.  Lastly, if oil and gas prices sky rocket, I&#039;d wager the last place to be effected will be urban curb space. In Chicago, NYC, and San Francisco, the vast bulk of curb parking demand comes from commercial vehicles and local motorists, not commuters. Inner cities become more competitive and attractive as energy prices rise. Even with expensive energy there will still be plenty of people driving for transportation and to provide services in the urban cores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear, the &#8220;conservative&#8221; estimate that Chicago could have earned $670m more by keeping the meters, is the present value calculation. So, investment risk is priced into that. Accordingly, the net annual meter revenue Morgan will keep in future years is much more than $8m. I&#8217;d guess the main investment risk here to the Morgan consortium is that Chicago will seek to renege on the deal at some point, and it could turn into a big political and legal headache for investors. I&#8217;ve heard from Wall St sources that this is why at least one major firm did not bid on this deal. Also, this piece does not claim the bidding was rigged. Only that it was secret and opaque to the public and the city council. The public finance assumptions and considerations now being aired were never made explicit.  Lastly, if oil and gas prices sky rocket, I&#8217;d wager the last place to be effected will be urban curb space. In Chicago, NYC, and San Francisco, the vast bulk of curb parking demand comes from commercial vehicles and local motorists, not commuters. Inner cities become more competitive and attractive as energy prices rise. Even with expensive energy there will still be plenty of people driving for transportation and to provide services in the urban cores.</p>
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		<title>By: Wizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the Chicago Tribune, there were a dozen financial firms expressing interest in the Chicago meters. At the end of the bidding process there were two high bidders for the parking meters whose bids were less than 10% apart. This triggered the City&#039;s &quot;best and final offer&quot; process between the two companies. Both re-submitted higher bids and the Morgan Stanley bid beat out their competitor by over 100 Million dollars. This doesn&#039;t remotely sound like a &quot;rigged&quot; process.
 
In addition to paying the nearly 1.2 Billion, Morgan Stanley then invested another 40 Million in new technology which was implemented in less than a year. While everyone is harping about the unprecedented rate hikes, one needs to remember that parking rates at nearly 23,000 of the City&#039;s 36,000 metered parking spaces had not been raised in decades and were an astonishing low twenty-five cents per hour. When was the last time you parked at a meter in any of the top ten major US metropolitan cities and paid fifty cents for two hours parking?

What everyone is also overlooking is a very important factor called risk. The City divested itself of all risk and cost associated with operating the parking meter system. For example, if gas prices shoot upward of $5, a very likely scenario given the 75 year term of the concession, driving will undoubtedly decrease. What impact will that have on the meter system? What will happen with $10 or $15 a gallon gas prices? Add risk mitigation to the savings in future escalating operating costs for equipment, maintenance, labor agreements, pensions, etc. and the City in my opinion made a very wise trade off.
 
Let’s assume that the City could have done exactly the same thing as the private operator. They could have netted an additional 600 Million over and above the 1.2 Billion it received up front. Over 75 years that&#039;s a theoretical 8 Million dollars per year that the City “gave up”.  How does that stack up when one considers the risk? What is the value placed on betting that there will always be passenger cars in sufficient quantities to generate that kind of return for the next 75 years?
 
Chicagoans love to moan about corruption, fraud and their crooked elected officials. It&#039;s tradition and if they didn’t it wouldn’t be Chicago. Let’s face it; the local Chicago media bashes Daley at every opportunity. Just look at the last few months of headlines regarding the Olympics, the parking meters, Oprah and even the poor performance of their sports teams. When was the last positive news article about the Daley administration to come out from any of the Chicago media outlets? I’m hard pressed to recall even one. 

Let’s not throw out the P3 model with the Chicago bathwater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the Chicago Tribune, there were a dozen financial firms expressing interest in the Chicago meters. At the end of the bidding process there were two high bidders for the parking meters whose bids were less than 10% apart. This triggered the City&#8217;s &#8220;best and final offer&#8221; process between the two companies. Both re-submitted higher bids and the Morgan Stanley bid beat out their competitor by over 100 Million dollars. This doesn&#8217;t remotely sound like a &#8220;rigged&#8221; process.</p>
<p>In addition to paying the nearly 1.2 Billion, Morgan Stanley then invested another 40 Million in new technology which was implemented in less than a year. While everyone is harping about the unprecedented rate hikes, one needs to remember that parking rates at nearly 23,000 of the City&#8217;s 36,000 metered parking spaces had not been raised in decades and were an astonishing low twenty-five cents per hour. When was the last time you parked at a meter in any of the top ten major US metropolitan cities and paid fifty cents for two hours parking?</p>
<p>What everyone is also overlooking is a very important factor called risk. The City divested itself of all risk and cost associated with operating the parking meter system. For example, if gas prices shoot upward of $5, a very likely scenario given the 75 year term of the concession, driving will undoubtedly decrease. What impact will that have on the meter system? What will happen with $10 or $15 a gallon gas prices? Add risk mitigation to the savings in future escalating operating costs for equipment, maintenance, labor agreements, pensions, etc. and the City in my opinion made a very wise trade off.</p>
<p>Let’s assume that the City could have done exactly the same thing as the private operator. They could have netted an additional 600 Million over and above the 1.2 Billion it received up front. Over 75 years that&#8217;s a theoretical 8 Million dollars per year that the City “gave up”.  How does that stack up when one considers the risk? What is the value placed on betting that there will always be passenger cars in sufficient quantities to generate that kind of return for the next 75 years?</p>
<p>Chicagoans love to moan about corruption, fraud and their crooked elected officials. It&#8217;s tradition and if they didn’t it wouldn’t be Chicago. Let’s face it; the local Chicago media bashes Daley at every opportunity. Just look at the last few months of headlines regarding the Olympics, the parking meters, Oprah and even the poor performance of their sports teams. When was the last positive news article about the Daley administration to come out from any of the Chicago media outlets? I’m hard pressed to recall even one. </p>
<p>Let’s not throw out the P3 model with the Chicago bathwater.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, this is a three part deal:

1) Raise parking fees to market rate.  Fine, but the city could have done it itself.

2)  Transfer part of the value of future parking revenues to a Wall Street firm in a secret, no-bid deal.  Standard practice.

3)  But here is the key.  Take future revenues and spend them right now, cashing in an asset created by past generations who built this country up and selling it out from under future generations.

Will the city of Chicago still have to maintain the streets in the future?  If so, it will have an ongoing cost but no ongoing revenues -- just like the MTA which will have to maintain the transit system (or more likely not) as future revenues go to the past maintenance of the transit system.

The whole purpose of the deal was to allow today&#039;s politicians to cash in the future.  The rest is details and misdirection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, this is a three part deal:</p>
<p>1) Raise parking fees to market rate.  Fine, but the city could have done it itself.</p>
<p>2)  Transfer part of the value of future parking revenues to a Wall Street firm in a secret, no-bid deal.  Standard practice.</p>
<p>3)  But here is the key.  Take future revenues and spend them right now, cashing in an asset created by past generations who built this country up and selling it out from under future generations.</p>
<p>Will the city of Chicago still have to maintain the streets in the future?  If so, it will have an ongoing cost but no ongoing revenues &#8212; just like the MTA which will have to maintain the transit system (or more likely not) as future revenues go to the past maintenance of the transit system.</p>
<p>The whole purpose of the deal was to allow today&#8217;s politicians to cash in the future.  The rest is details and misdirection.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, he certainly wasn&#039;t &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=eJouAAAAYAAJ&amp;q=%22the+future+done+for+me%3F%22&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the first&lt;/a&gt;.  Did that man ever have an original thought?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, he certainly wasn&#8217;t <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=eJouAAAAYAAJ&amp;q=%22the+future+done+for+me%3F%22" rel="nofollow">the first</a>.  Did that man ever have an original thought?</p>
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		<title>By: da</title>
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		<dc:creator>da</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was Ronald Reagan who said, &quot;What&#039;s the future ever done for me?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was Ronald Reagan who said, &#8220;What&#8217;s the future ever done for me?&#8221;</p>
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