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	<title>Comments on: Eyes on the Street: Access Denied</title>
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		<title>By: Oxymoronic</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/11/12/eyes-on-the-street-access-denied/comment-page-1/#comment-157061</link>
		<dc:creator>Oxymoronic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite infringement of the moment occurs daily between 730 and 8am outside Daniels Bagels and Dunkin Donuts on 3rd Avenue around 38th street.   

Police cars parked in the busline outside the store typically with uniformed police officers (presumably on shift) either inside the store eating and drinking their cliched breakfast or actually in their car munching away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite infringement of the moment occurs daily between 730 and 8am outside Daniels Bagels and Dunkin Donuts on 3rd Avenue around 38th street.   </p>
<p>Police cars parked in the busline outside the store typically with uniformed police officers (presumably on shift) either inside the store eating and drinking their cliched breakfast or actually in their car munching away.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/11/12/eyes-on-the-street-access-denied/comment-page-1/#comment-155821</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J:Lai:

Right on. Driving should be easy, fast, convenient, and rare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J:Lai:</p>
<p>Right on. Driving should be easy, fast, convenient, and rare.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian: Shea is absolutely correct. They&#039;re on a mission!

I once found myself down under the Brooklyn Bridge, near New York Downtown Hospital, (or whatever they call themselves this week) where there were nothing but Access-A-Rides. It was a waking nightmare!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian: Shea is absolutely correct. They&#8217;re on a mission!</p>
<p>I once found myself down under the Brooklyn Bridge, near New York Downtown Hospital, (or whatever they call themselves this week) where there were nothing but Access-A-Rides. It was a waking nightmare!</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/11/12/eyes-on-the-street-access-denied/comment-page-1/#comment-155631</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How anyone can think the solution to the police not giving a rat&#039;s ass is for the police to give a rat&#039;s ass, is still confusing.

How do you expect them to begin to care?

Put bollards down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How anyone can think the solution to the police not giving a rat&#8217;s ass is for the police to give a rat&#8217;s ass, is still confusing.</p>
<p>How do you expect them to begin to care?</p>
<p>Put bollards down.</p>
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		<title>By: J:Lai</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/11/12/eyes-on-the-street-access-denied/comment-page-1/#comment-155461</link>
		<dc:creator>J:Lai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best outcome would actually be for automobiling to become much faster and easier.  This can be achieved by reducing the amount of automobile use, in particular by making it much more expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best outcome would actually be for automobiling to become much faster and easier.  This can be achieved by reducing the amount of automobile use, in particular by making it much more expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: drewo</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/11/12/eyes-on-the-street-access-denied/comment-page-1/#comment-155391</link>
		<dc:creator>drewo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan
I think the ultimate goal of most Streetblog readers is to minimize the amount of (non-business-related) auto traffic on the streets of NYC. And, in effect, create more and better options for public transportation.

If that means making personal automobiling more difficult and unpleasant (and preferably costlier!), then so be it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan<br />
I think the ultimate goal of most Streetblog readers is to minimize the amount of (non-business-related) auto traffic on the streets of NYC. And, in effect, create more and better options for public transportation.</p>
<p>If that means making personal automobiling more difficult and unpleasant (and preferably costlier!), then so be it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point, Larry! Because &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mta.info/nyct/paratran/guide.htm#what_is&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;AAR provides transportation for people with disabilities who are unable to use public bus or subway service for some or all of their trips,&quot;&lt;/a&gt; it&#039;s important to have the service be as offputting and inconvenient as possible in order to limit demand to those who are truly without other options. Such a brief neatly explains the poorly trained and rude drivers, noisy and uncomfortable vehicles, and long and incomprehensible delays.

What I find intriguing is that while most Streetsblog readers would be happy with all NYC automobiling becoming inconvenient, unpleasant, and subject to delay (not just AAR), we argue vociferously that automobilists (especially the AAR chauffeurs) should somehow become polite, friendly, and patient. 

This seems paradoxical and unlikely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point, Larry! Because <a href="http://www.mta.info/nyct/paratran/guide.htm#what_is" rel="nofollow">&#8220;AAR provides transportation for people with disabilities who are unable to use public bus or subway service for some or all of their trips,&#8221;</a> it&#8217;s important to have the service be as offputting and inconvenient as possible in order to limit demand to those who are truly without other options. Such a brief neatly explains the poorly trained and rude drivers, noisy and uncomfortable vehicles, and long and incomprehensible delays.</p>
<p>What I find intriguing is that while most Streetsblog readers would be happy with all NYC automobiling becoming inconvenient, unpleasant, and subject to delay (not just AAR), we argue vociferously that automobilists (especially the AAR chauffeurs) should somehow become polite, friendly, and patient. </p>
<p>This seems paradoxical and unlikely.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We&#039;d be so much better off if we simply gave disabled New Yorkers vouchers to use car services and taxis. You could drive round-trip from the outer reaches of Queens to any hospital in Manhattan and not rack up a $140 bill.&quot;

Every politically connected person in Queens would suddenly become disabled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We&#8217;d be so much better off if we simply gave disabled New Yorkers vouchers to use car services and taxis. You could drive round-trip from the outer reaches of Queens to any hospital in Manhattan and not rack up a $140 bill.&#8221;</p>
<p>Every politically connected person in Queens would suddenly become disabled.</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we need a policy of 1) getting the NYPD to ticket all vehicles in bike lanes, private and public alike and 2) making sure drivers pay their own tickets rather than slough it off on their agency.

Although, my guess is the agency doesn&#039;t discourage this sort of behavior even if they don&#039;t promote it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need a policy of 1) getting the NYPD to ticket all vehicles in bike lanes, private and public alike and 2) making sure drivers pay their own tickets rather than slough it off on their agency.</p>
<p>Although, my guess is the agency doesn&#8217;t discourage this sort of behavior even if they don&#8217;t promote it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; I&#039;ve got to start holding up a little sign to those kinds of drivers that says, &quot;You were willing to kill people for your convenience.&quot;

Land a lugie on their rear windshield.

Nothing sends a driver into more impotent rage than a big fat phlegm on his rear window, right when he thinks he&#039;s got away with nearly killing some &quot;wayward&quot; pedestrian. Plus, the lugie can&#039;t possibly be used for a property damage charge, nor can it be proven that it came from you. I find they freeze, slam to a complete halt regardless of traffic conditions, and hunch over the steeringwheel with their hackles up like some sort of angry dog. It&#039;s hilarious.

Of course, there&#039;s a small chance he&#039;ll get out of his car, chase you down, and try to beat you to a pulp; but then at least you&#039;ve got him on assault charges.

vnm: yeah i was ambiguous w/ mah accessaride terms apologies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I&#8217;ve got to start holding up a little sign to those kinds of drivers that says, &#8220;You were willing to kill people for your convenience.&#8221;</p>
<p>Land a lugie on their rear windshield.</p>
<p>Nothing sends a driver into more impotent rage than a big fat phlegm on his rear window, right when he thinks he&#8217;s got away with nearly killing some &#8220;wayward&#8221; pedestrian. Plus, the lugie can&#8217;t possibly be used for a property damage charge, nor can it be proven that it came from you. I find they freeze, slam to a complete halt regardless of traffic conditions, and hunch over the steeringwheel with their hackles up like some sort of angry dog. It&#8217;s hilarious.</p>
<p>Of course, there&#8217;s a small chance he&#8217;ll get out of his car, chase you down, and try to beat you to a pulp; but then at least you&#8217;ve got him on assault charges.</p>
<p>vnm: yeah i was ambiguous w/ mah accessaride terms apologies</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The private bus companies paid by NYC DOT to service Eastern Queens were a highly publicized disaster: expensive and provided terrible service. Not sure how anyone could claim &quot;The MTA was a lot more efficient when the (buses) were subcontracted out to private companies.&quot; Judging from those buses and Access A Ride, it seems that private businesses which win govt concessions provide worse service than either govt agencies or private businesses competing in the market. Access-A-Ride vendors don&#039;t have to be &quot;mobbed up&quot; they just have to give lots of money to elected officials. Odds are they are major political contributors or owned by people in the political class. Efforts to do anything to Access-A-Ride are met with immediate hysteria by pols, so there is something there. Re: the mountable curb, VNM I was being facetious. The mountable curb is too mountable and not enough of a curb. The Streetsblog bollards for Sands Street campaign must continue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The private bus companies paid by NYC DOT to service Eastern Queens were a highly publicized disaster: expensive and provided terrible service. Not sure how anyone could claim &#8220;The MTA was a lot more efficient when the (buses) were subcontracted out to private companies.&#8221; Judging from those buses and Access A Ride, it seems that private businesses which win govt concessions provide worse service than either govt agencies or private businesses competing in the market. Access-A-Ride vendors don&#8217;t have to be &#8220;mobbed up&#8221; they just have to give lots of money to elected officials. Odds are they are major political contributors or owned by people in the political class. Efforts to do anything to Access-A-Ride are met with immediate hysteria by pols, so there is something there. Re: the mountable curb, VNM I was being facetious. The mountable curb is too mountable and not enough of a curb. The Streetsblog bollards for Sands Street campaign must continue!</p>
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		<title>By: dporpentine</title>
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		<dc:creator>dporpentine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Access-a-Ride vehicles do seem to be among the greatest menaces on the road. They&#039;re as wide or wider than 18-wheelers but are light enough that they can accelerate more or less the same as a car. Just last night one buzzed me in Clinton Hill going what had to have been 40 miles an hour. 

All that speed and endangerment of others only meant the van made it to the red light that much sooner.

I&#039;ve got to start holding up a little sign to those kinds of drivers that says, &quot;You were willing to kill people for your convenience.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Access-a-Ride vehicles do seem to be among the greatest menaces on the road. They&#8217;re as wide or wider than 18-wheelers but are light enough that they can accelerate more or less the same as a car. Just last night one buzzed me in Clinton Hill going what had to have been 40 miles an hour. </p>
<p>All that speed and endangerment of others only meant the van made it to the red light that much sooner.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got to start holding up a little sign to those kinds of drivers that says, &#8220;You were willing to kill people for your convenience.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Marty Barfowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty Barfowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Incidentally, Access-A-Ride is a fiscal disaster for the MTA. In 2007, the Federal Transit Authority(FTA) put the cost of a single trip on Access-A-Ride at $70.20. (No typo.) So a round trip to the doctor for an Access-A-Rider is $140.40.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We&#039;d be so much better off if we simply gave disabled New Yorkers vouchers to use car services and taxis. You could  drive round-trip from the outer reaches of Queens to any hospital in Manhattan and not rack up a $140 bill.

And what are we paying for anyway? Access-a-Ride drivers are absolutely the worst drivers on the streets of New York. I&#039;ve had an incredible number of bad experiences with these morons. I&#039;d bet that the private companies that run these vans are all mobbed up or something. How else do you explain this pathetic branch of our city transportation system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Incidentally, Access-A-Ride is a fiscal disaster for the MTA. In 2007, the Federal Transit Authority(FTA) put the cost of a single trip on Access-A-Ride at $70.20. (No typo.) So a round trip to the doctor for an Access-A-Rider is $140.40.</p></blockquote>
<p>We&#8217;d be so much better off if we simply gave disabled New Yorkers vouchers to use car services and taxis. You could  drive round-trip from the outer reaches of Queens to any hospital in Manhattan and not rack up a $140 bill.</p>
<p>And what are we paying for anyway? Access-a-Ride drivers are absolutely the worst drivers on the streets of New York. I&#8217;ve had an incredible number of bad experiences with these morons. I&#8217;d bet that the private companies that run these vans are all mobbed up or something. How else do you explain this pathetic branch of our city transportation system?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Dutton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Dutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shea is convinced that Access-A-Ride drivers have the mission of creating more disabled New Yorkers through their aggressive or inconsiderate driving practices, thus expanding their business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shea is convinced that Access-A-Ride drivers have the mission of creating more disabled New Yorkers through their aggressive or inconsiderate driving practices, thus expanding their business.</p>
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		<title>By: vnm</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaja - sorry. I thought you were talking about buses, not A-A-R vans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaja &#8211; sorry. I thought you were talking about buses, not A-A-R vans.</p>
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		<title>By: Chicken Underwear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chicken Underwear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at all the &quot;spots&quot; on the other side of the street.  Just a lazy entitled driver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at all the &#8220;spots&#8221; on the other side of the street.  Just a lazy entitled driver.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does parking in traffic safely allow them to load and unload? You have to use the oncoming traffic lane do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does parking in traffic safely allow them to load and unload? You have to use the oncoming traffic lane do this.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vnm: well they pollute less than an idling, 95%-empty van does. as for the &#039;ghettoness&#039;, that&#039;s just, like, my opinion, man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vnm: well they pollute less than an idling, 95%-empty van does. as for the &#8216;ghettoness&#8217;, that&#8217;s just, like, my opinion, man.</p>
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		<title>By: vnm</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Galls, the MTA contracts with private companies to run Access-a-Ride. The MTA pays the companies, who in turn provide a service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Galls, the MTA contracts with private companies to run Access-a-Ride. The MTA pays the companies, who in turn provide a service.</p>
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		<title>By: vnm</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaja, how do black cars not spew pollution or feel ghetto?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaja, how do black cars not spew pollution or feel ghetto?</p>
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