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	<title>Comments on: Eyes on the Street: You Don&#8217;t Belong in the Bike Lane, Sir</title>
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		<title>By: kent ave cyclist</title>
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		<dc:creator>kent ave cyclist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i live right where this happened.  kent and south 9th.  this happens all day every day.  i&#039;d bet i could count a couple dozen people incorrectly turning on the bike path (going the wrong way) from broadway.  and not to mention the drivers, like this one, that knowingly use the bike path like their own highway.  and the minivans that continually park on the bike lanes all around williamsburg. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i live right where this happened.  kent and south 9th.  this happens all day every day.  i&#8217;d bet i could count a couple dozen people incorrectly turning on the bike path (going the wrong way) from broadway.  and not to mention the drivers, like this one, that knowingly use the bike path like their own highway.  and the minivans that continually park on the bike lanes all around williamsburg. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Months back, at the outset of the Manhattan Bridge bike approach reconstruction, I saw &#039;bollard (+)&#039; chalkmarks, and I wonder what became of them. 

They were about two inches in diameter and there were three of them: one to protect a cyclist&#039;s northbound right turn up Chrystie; at the bottom of the steep hill at the foot of bridge towards Forsyth; and on the Brooklyn side where the path opens onto Sands St under the east edge of the bridge, about centered in the bike waiting area, also I guess to slow folks down.

I should&#039;ve shot pictures. It&#039;s interesting that two of the three seemed placed to deter rude biking. And that northbound right onto Chrystie gets my hackles way up, it still feels easy to get squashed by a van coming off the bridge who feels like it&#039;s his road. The first in-street bollard in NYC should totally go there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Months back, at the outset of the Manhattan Bridge bike approach reconstruction, I saw &#8216;bollard (+)&#8217; chalkmarks, and I wonder what became of them. </p>
<p>They were about two inches in diameter and there were three of them: one to protect a cyclist&#8217;s northbound right turn up Chrystie; at the bottom of the steep hill at the foot of bridge towards Forsyth; and on the Brooklyn side where the path opens onto Sands St under the east edge of the bridge, about centered in the bike waiting area, also I guess to slow folks down.</p>
<p>I should&#8217;ve shot pictures. It&#8217;s interesting that two of the three seemed placed to deter rude biking. And that northbound right onto Chrystie gets my hackles way up, it still feels easy to get squashed by a van coming off the bridge who feels like it&#8217;s his road. The first in-street bollard in NYC should totally go there.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apropos of trucks in wide bike lanes, in the West Village, a woman was crushed by a Parks Department truck in the bike lane. http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_342/womancrushed.html
I enjoyed the bollard video thanks. I like bollards best for sidewalks, myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apropos of trucks in wide bike lanes, in the West Village, a woman was crushed by a Parks Department truck in the bike lane. <a href="http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_342/womancrushed.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_342/womancrushed.html</a><br />
I enjoyed the bollard video thanks. I like bollards best for sidewalks, myself.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveL</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bollards are trouble, though you get used to them and they do keep cars and vans out.

What could work is a low barrier above the path, something that does damage to any can trying to get through. The hard part here is choosing the right height; a tall adult is higher than most automobiles, so you can only put up a block that keeps trucks and vans out. But that&#039;s a start</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bollards are trouble, though you get used to them and they do keep cars and vans out.</p>
<p>What could work is a low barrier above the path, something that does damage to any can trying to get through. The hard part here is choosing the right height; a tall adult is higher than most automobiles, so you can only put up a block that keeps trucks and vans out. But that&#8217;s a start</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To put it simply:

There is one law for us, the lay citizenry; there is another law for the privileged factions, who&#039;ve bought government; and there&#039;s no law at all for the regime itself.

They&#039;re not exempt from bullets, which is - unfortunately - where I am increasingly convinced this will wind up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To put it simply:</p>
<p>There is one law for us, the lay citizenry; there is another law for the privileged factions, who&#8217;ve bought government; and there&#8217;s no law at all for the regime itself.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not exempt from bullets, which is &#8211; unfortunately &#8211; where I am increasingly convinced this will wind up.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; truck drivers feel as if the rules do not apply to them

They don&#039;t. Reposting

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/html/parking/park_commercial_fleet.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; truck drivers feel as if the rules do not apply to them</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t. Reposting</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/html/parking/park_commercial_fleet.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/html/parking/park_commercial_fleet.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fendergal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fendergal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see semi trucks driving the wrong way down the one-way street my office sits on, Richardson Street, in Brooklyn. In broad daylight. Almost every single day. Where are the cops? Clearly, truck drivers feel as if the rules do not apply to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see semi trucks driving the wrong way down the one-way street my office sits on, Richardson Street, in Brooklyn. In broad daylight. Almost every single day. Where are the cops? Clearly, truck drivers feel as if the rules do not apply to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cycler,

So your casually riding down this lane on your bike in broad daylight.  As you approach the bollard you notice that an oncoming cyclist will pass the bollard at the same moment you will.  Just before you reach the bollard a wayward pedestrian, garbage can, dog, tumbleweed, etc, (pick one) wanders into your path.  You try to avoid this person/thing but you end up plowing into the bollard instead since you have no other &quot;out&quot;.  

This is just one scenario in which a totally alert cyclist, in optimal conditions can crash into a bollard.  Most bicycle and pedestrian planners now frown upon their use to keep motor vehicle out a controlled space since they usually pose a greater crashing hazard for cyclists and other path/trail users then they actually end up helping.  Not to mention all the maintenance that goes along with having to replace broken ones and the hassle to move them to get authorized equipment into the protected space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cycler,</p>
<p>So your casually riding down this lane on your bike in broad daylight.  As you approach the bollard you notice that an oncoming cyclist will pass the bollard at the same moment you will.  Just before you reach the bollard a wayward pedestrian, garbage can, dog, tumbleweed, etc, (pick one) wanders into your path.  You try to avoid this person/thing but you end up plowing into the bollard instead since you have no other &#8220;out&#8221;.  </p>
<p>This is just one scenario in which a totally alert cyclist, in optimal conditions can crash into a bollard.  Most bicycle and pedestrian planners now frown upon their use to keep motor vehicle out a controlled space since they usually pose a greater crashing hazard for cyclists and other path/trail users then they actually end up helping.  Not to mention all the maintenance that goes along with having to replace broken ones and the hassle to move them to get authorized equipment into the protected space.</p>
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		<title>By: Think_twice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think_twice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Camera enforced bike lanes. It could pay for itself with all the fines and tickets it&#039;ll rack up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Camera enforced bike lanes. It could pay for itself with all the fines and tickets it&#8217;ll rack up.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we have a license plate number or operator name for this truck? I&#039;d say the first step in all of this should be to call the cops, especially if you have photos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we have a license plate number or operator name for this truck? I&#8217;d say the first step in all of this should be to call the cops, especially if you have photos.</p>
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		<title>By: Vroomfondel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vroomfondel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why we need handle bar mounted grenade launchers.  But seriously, as appalled as I am at the sight of a truck in a bike lane, I can&#039;t help but wonder whether the design of the bike lane encourages this sort of behavior.  The bike lane would function just fine if it were narrower or if there were a curb between the bike lane and the row of parked cars, and it would be safer if it were physically impossible for cars or trucks to squeeze through.  One of the great advantages of the laws of physics is that we don&#039;t need to rely on NYPD to enforce them.

I know that the width of street cleaning vehicles currently imposes a minimum width of bike lanes, but that seems to be an argument for a different approach to cleaning, not a reason for building bike lanes that are wide enough to accommodate a truck.  Besides, even though I&#039;d love to see protected bike lanes everywhere, I believe in the basic ethical principle of not taking more than you need, and an extravagantly dimensioned bike lane seems to violate that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why we need handle bar mounted grenade launchers.  But seriously, as appalled as I am at the sight of a truck in a bike lane, I can&#8217;t help but wonder whether the design of the bike lane encourages this sort of behavior.  The bike lane would function just fine if it were narrower or if there were a curb between the bike lane and the row of parked cars, and it would be safer if it were physically impossible for cars or trucks to squeeze through.  One of the great advantages of the laws of physics is that we don&#8217;t need to rely on NYPD to enforce them.</p>
<p>I know that the width of street cleaning vehicles currently imposes a minimum width of bike lanes, but that seems to be an argument for a different approach to cleaning, not a reason for building bike lanes that are wide enough to accommodate a truck.  Besides, even though I&#8217;d love to see protected bike lanes everywhere, I believe in the basic ethical principle of not taking more than you need, and an extravagantly dimensioned bike lane seems to violate that.</p>
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		<title>By: Cycler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cycler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, 
I loved that video!  Something so incongruous about the smooth jazz-meets-middle eastern music and the slow motion shots of the truck imploding!  I might have to put that in the &quot;unintentionally hilarious product demo video file along with the saw stopper!

Since it&#039;s a two way bike lane (which is why it&#039;s wide enough to drive a truck down) I&#039;m not sure why the bollards are such a problem for bikers.  A couple of stripes of reflective tape or some glass bead paint, and it should be much more visible than a boulder (and effective, I would think) 
I don&#039;t know the plastic bollards, I was just thinking the steel pipe type with a &quot;cotterpin&quot; and a padlock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian,<br />
I loved that video!  Something so incongruous about the smooth jazz-meets-middle eastern music and the slow motion shots of the truck imploding!  I might have to put that in the &#8220;unintentionally hilarious product demo video file along with the saw stopper!</p>
<p>Since it&#8217;s a two way bike lane (which is why it&#8217;s wide enough to drive a truck down) I&#8217;m not sure why the bollards are such a problem for bikers.  A couple of stripes of reflective tape or some glass bead paint, and it should be much more visible than a boulder (and effective, I would think)<br />
I don&#8217;t know the plastic bollards, I was just thinking the steel pipe type with a &#8220;cotterpin&#8221; and a padlock.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ian,

Maybe three heavy duty steel bollards but certainly not those lightweight plastic ones they&#039;re constantly replacing on the West Side Greenway.

Several weeks ago I was riding through Pelham Bay Park, on my way back from City Island, where someone had placed a couple of large boulders in the bike lane. That&#039;s one way to keep trucks out but it can be really dangerous for cyclists at night. Between my 5 LED blinkie and my new brake pads I was barely able to stop in time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ian,</p>
<p>Maybe three heavy duty steel bollards but certainly not those lightweight plastic ones they&#8217;re constantly replacing on the West Side Greenway.</p>
<p>Several weeks ago I was riding through Pelham Bay Park, on my way back from City Island, where someone had placed a couple of large boulders in the bike lane. That&#8217;s one way to keep trucks out but it can be really dangerous for cyclists at night. Between my 5 LED blinkie and my new brake pads I was barely able to stop in time.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No bollards in bike lane!!

It may stop motor vehicle traffic (probably not in NYC) but it is more likely that a bicyclist will crash into it first.  Even a crashing into a plastic bollard on your bike would be enough to really ruin your day, week or even life.

Enforcement is the key but somehow the largest police force in the US (larger than the next 3 PD&#039;s combined) doesn&#039;t seem to have enough resources to properly enforce traffic rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No bollards in bike lane!!</p>
<p>It may stop motor vehicle traffic (probably not in NYC) but it is more likely that a bicyclist will crash into it first.  Even a crashing into a plastic bollard on your bike would be enough to really ruin your day, week or even life.</p>
<p>Enforcement is the key but somehow the largest police force in the US (larger than the next 3 PD&#8217;s combined) doesn&#8217;t seem to have enough resources to properly enforce traffic rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stacey,

Think again:

http://www.pilomat.com/catalog/pages.php?page=home&amp;language=en</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stacey,</p>
<p>Think again:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pilomat.com/catalog/pages.php?page=home&#038;language=en" rel="nofollow">http://www.pilomat.com/catalog/pages.php?page=home&#038;language=en</a></p>
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		<title>By: SteveL</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is something to fear on a &quot;safe&quot; bike lane. 

It&#039;s probably worth getting the lane designers and the police together to discuss this, because the lane people will be fairly unhappy about their work being wasted, and they can put more pressure on the police to act. But you do need to act. The only bike infrastructure that exists is that which is defended. Aggressively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is something to fear on a &#8220;safe&#8221; bike lane. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably worth getting the lane designers and the police together to discuss this, because the lane people will be fairly unhappy about their work being wasted, and they can put more pressure on the police to act. But you do need to act. The only bike infrastructure that exists is that which is defended. Aggressively.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I own the truck. I told the driver not to use those bike lanes. He thought it was a delivery lane. I also told him not to curse at people. He promised me he&#039;d be a good boy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own the truck. I told the driver not to use those bike lanes. He thought it was a delivery lane. I also told him not to curse at people. He promised me he&#8217;d be a good boy!</p>
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		<title>By: Liam Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please update with any information on the company that owns the truck.</description>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just how flagrant does a violation have to be before the police do something? I can only hope someone is able to find out which company owns this truck, I&#039;m sure they would love the publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just how flagrant does a violation have to be before the police do something? I can only hope someone is able to find out which company owns this truck, I&#8217;m sure they would love the publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Eckerson Jr.</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/11/11/eyes-on-the-street-you-dont-belong-in-the-bike-lane-sir/comment-page-1/#comment-153281</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence Eckerson Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a scary site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a scary site.</p>
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