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	<title>Comments on: Around the Country, Calls for Pedestrian Safety Grow Louder</title>
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		<title>By: Steven Vance</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/11/11/around-the-country-calls-for-pedestrian-safety-grow-louder/comment-page-1/#comment-153581</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make that number of pedestrian deaths six and not five.
The unborn child of the pregnant mother, Kim Brown, was delivered but did not survive. The child was delivered 2-3 months early (Kim was only pregnant for 6 or 7 months).
See the rest of Chicago&#039;s monthly carnage:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesbondsv/4086732358/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make that number of pedestrian deaths six and not five.<br />
The unborn child of the pregnant mother, Kim Brown, was delivered but did not survive. The child was delivered 2-3 months early (Kim was only pregnant for 6 or 7 months).<br />
See the rest of Chicago&#8217;s monthly carnage:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesbondsv/4086732358/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesbondsv/4086732358/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaja,
Good analysis. I&#039;m constantly surprised LPI&#039;s aren&#039;t implemented everywhere in NYC. They&#039;d cost nothing to implement and involve no new infrastructure, and even the most braindead moses-era thinker can see why they&#039;re useful.

I&#039;m currently living in Pittsburgh, and even here, where almost everything is car-centric and most places barely have sidewalks, every intersection with a pedestrian signal either uses an LPI or a Barnes-Dance sequence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaja,<br />
Good analysis. I&#8217;m constantly surprised LPI&#8217;s aren&#8217;t implemented everywhere in NYC. They&#8217;d cost nothing to implement and involve no new infrastructure, and even the most braindead moses-era thinker can see why they&#8217;re useful.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently living in Pittsburgh, and even here, where almost everything is car-centric and most places barely have sidewalks, every intersection with a pedestrian signal either uses an LPI or a Barnes-Dance sequence.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/11/11/around-the-country-calls-for-pedestrian-safety-grow-louder/comment-page-1/#comment-152621</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crosswalks are a race condition, solved by LPIs.

Ped and car traffic get go-lights in the same direction at the same time. By law, drivers are supposed to yield, but if everyone&#039;s waiting for the light, then when the light goes green, there&#039;s no one in the crosswalk. So the driver steps on the gas.

At the same moment, the first peds step into the crosswalk. Now everyone&#039;s &quot;on their accelerator&quot; and the driver&#039;s turning into the peds. If he obeys the law, he moves his foot to the brake, during which time his car is still moving forward.

If the driver is quick enough, he can beat the ped into the crosswalk, at which point he legally retains the right-of-way or at least can intimidate the ped into staying out his way.

Everyone is encouraged to rush into the intersection to acquire the &quot;lock&quot;.

I think this is what killed Seth on 9ave, and most everyone else who&#039;s died in a crosswalk with the light.

LPIs /everywhere/ please, of at least three seconds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crosswalks are a race condition, solved by LPIs.</p>
<p>Ped and car traffic get go-lights in the same direction at the same time. By law, drivers are supposed to yield, but if everyone&#8217;s waiting for the light, then when the light goes green, there&#8217;s no one in the crosswalk. So the driver steps on the gas.</p>
<p>At the same moment, the first peds step into the crosswalk. Now everyone&#8217;s &#8220;on their accelerator&#8221; and the driver&#8217;s turning into the peds. If he obeys the law, he moves his foot to the brake, during which time his car is still moving forward.</p>
<p>If the driver is quick enough, he can beat the ped into the crosswalk, at which point he legally retains the right-of-way or at least can intimidate the ped into staying out his way.</p>
<p>Everyone is encouraged to rush into the intersection to acquire the &#8220;lock&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think this is what killed Seth on 9ave, and most everyone else who&#8217;s died in a crosswalk with the light.</p>
<p>LPIs /everywhere/ please, of at least three seconds.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CPRD - the whole idea behind &quot;dangerous by design&quot; is that some intersections are just not safe the way they currently exist and others clearly are safer. 

Traffic design in many situations simply doesn&#039;t work with the way we as people are hardwired - maybe it would be nice if we were hardwired to be robots and follow the letter of the law always, but that&#039;s not realistic. That&#039;s where good design comes in. Good design works with human nature to give all traffic participants a better way to not come into harm or cause harm to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CPRD &#8211; the whole idea behind &#8220;dangerous by design&#8221; is that some intersections are just not safe the way they currently exist and others clearly are safer. </p>
<p>Traffic design in many situations simply doesn&#8217;t work with the way we as people are hardwired &#8211; maybe it would be nice if we were hardwired to be robots and follow the letter of the law always, but that&#8217;s not realistic. That&#8217;s where good design comes in. Good design works with human nature to give all traffic participants a better way to not come into harm or cause harm to others.</p>
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		<title>By: cyclist/ped/rarely drive</title>
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		<dc:creator>cyclist/ped/rarely drive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>peds, at least in nyc should use common sense, don&#039;t jay walk, obey the crossing signals and do not walk in street or bike lane. just this week i counted 15 people walking in the street on a one bock stretch of 42nd street. i know this saves valuable time but it puts your life or the life of cyclists at risk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peds, at least in nyc should use common sense, don&#8217;t jay walk, obey the crossing signals and do not walk in street or bike lane. just this week i counted 15 people walking in the street on a one bock stretch of 42nd street. i know this saves valuable time but it puts your life or the life of cyclists at risk</p>
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