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	<title>Comments on: Jay Walder&#8217;s Well-Placed Priorities: Doing More With New York City Buses</title>
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		<title>By: J. Mork</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://gothamist.com/2008/09/09/open_wide_for_the_mta_double_decker.php</description>
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		<title>By: Greg Watts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if he&#039;s thinking of introducing double-decker buses in New York.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if he&#8217;s thinking of introducing double-decker buses in New York.</p>
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		<title>By: zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My greatest impression of London this last summer was not congestion pricing or ample free museums or cider on tap everywhere, but rather the free maps available in a rack at every tube station. Each station has a different map, a map just for that station, with less than a mile radius around it, highlighting the buses that pass within that range. Some of the maps even had churches and pubs. The process of figuring out buses became less intimidating.
 
That, and with gas taxes and congestion pricing the buses are damned fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My greatest impression of London this last summer was not congestion pricing or ample free museums or cider on tap everywhere, but rather the free maps available in a rack at every tube station. Each station has a different map, a map just for that station, with less than a mile radius around it, highlighting the buses that pass within that range. Some of the maps even had churches and pubs. The process of figuring out buses became less intimidating.</p>
<p>That, and with gas taxes and congestion pricing the buses are damned fast.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kaehny</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Kaehny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for these insightful comments. The next installment is a brief summary of things Walder can do versus things he&#039;d like to do, or should do. Walder has very little time until a new governor arrives. For the first time in decades, perhaps since WWII, there is a city administration and a transit boss who agree that buses are the fastest, cheapest way to expand and improve the transit system. The political system hasn&#039;t caught up yet. A lot depends on who gets elected mayor and governor in the next year and whether NY State continues to face plunging tax revenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for these insightful comments. The next installment is a brief summary of things Walder can do versus things he&#8217;d like to do, or should do. Walder has very little time until a new governor arrives. For the first time in decades, perhaps since WWII, there is a city administration and a transit boss who agree that buses are the fastest, cheapest way to expand and improve the transit system. The political system hasn&#8217;t caught up yet. A lot depends on who gets elected mayor and governor in the next year and whether NY State continues to face plunging tax revenue.</p>
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		<title>By: J:Lai</title>
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		<dc:creator>J:Lai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is an interesting subject.  Improving bus infrastructure seems to be the clear winner in terms of getting results quickly and without massive capital outlays.  However, which types of improvement should get most focus often splits pretty clearly on a Manhattan vs. Boroughs line.

For instance, enforcement of bus stops and lanes has the most benefit for Manhattan buses (and to some extent select bus service - although that is a tiny share of total bus service).  Outside Manhattan, buses generally do not have dedicated lanes.

In general, most Manhattan bus service is redundant - it duplicates subway routes.  There are certain subgroups of riders who depend on bus service (elderly and disabled being a major component) because they have difficulty negotiating subway stations, or can not easily walk a few extra blocks.  Crosstown service is an exception, but speeds are slow and distances are relatively short, so improving crosstown service will have limited effect on total ridership.

To dramatically increase bus ridership, such as bringing it up to parity with subway ridership, I think the majority of the effort and resources have to go to the Boroughs.  

Realtime info would be great, and could even use text messages or something like twitter, as jass has suggested.  (uncertainty is a killer in the decision of whether to use public transit.)
Decreasing boarding time would also be great.  A touch card would help, but even better would be a turnstile system that forces people to exit through the rear (this is a pet peeve of mine!)

To really make this happen, though, I think it takes a radical re-design of existing bus routes.  There should be a clear definition of goals.  For example: Buses should 1) cover areas without subway options, 2) provide connections between different subway lines, 3) provide transit service for those who have difficulty using subways (in that order.)
I believe this would lead to more of a &quot;hub and spokes&quot; system where you have a short routes with more frequent service radiating out from major subway stations, with a de-emphasis on long bus routes, especially where they duplicate subway service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is an interesting subject.  Improving bus infrastructure seems to be the clear winner in terms of getting results quickly and without massive capital outlays.  However, which types of improvement should get most focus often splits pretty clearly on a Manhattan vs. Boroughs line.</p>
<p>For instance, enforcement of bus stops and lanes has the most benefit for Manhattan buses (and to some extent select bus service &#8211; although that is a tiny share of total bus service).  Outside Manhattan, buses generally do not have dedicated lanes.</p>
<p>In general, most Manhattan bus service is redundant &#8211; it duplicates subway routes.  There are certain subgroups of riders who depend on bus service (elderly and disabled being a major component) because they have difficulty negotiating subway stations, or can not easily walk a few extra blocks.  Crosstown service is an exception, but speeds are slow and distances are relatively short, so improving crosstown service will have limited effect on total ridership.</p>
<p>To dramatically increase bus ridership, such as bringing it up to parity with subway ridership, I think the majority of the effort and resources have to go to the Boroughs.  </p>
<p>Realtime info would be great, and could even use text messages or something like twitter, as jass has suggested.  (uncertainty is a killer in the decision of whether to use public transit.)<br />
Decreasing boarding time would also be great.  A touch card would help, but even better would be a turnstile system that forces people to exit through the rear (this is a pet peeve of mine!)</p>
<p>To really make this happen, though, I think it takes a radical re-design of existing bus routes.  There should be a clear definition of goals.  For example: Buses should 1) cover areas without subway options, 2) provide connections between different subway lines, 3) provide transit service for those who have difficulty using subways (in that order.)<br />
I believe this would lead to more of a &#8220;hub and spokes&#8221; system where you have a short routes with more frequent service radiating out from major subway stations, with a de-emphasis on long bus routes, especially where they duplicate subway service.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris O'Leary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another means of speeding up bus service is moving toward an entire fleet of low-floor buses. The high-floor articulated buses, which run on some of the city&#039;s busiest routes, are slowed down by their especially slow loading process for the handicapped and elderly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another means of speeding up bus service is moving toward an entire fleet of low-floor buses. The high-floor articulated buses, which run on some of the city&#8217;s busiest routes, are slowed down by their especially slow loading process for the handicapped and elderly.</p>
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		<title>By: rlb</title>
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		<dc:creator>rlb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do you take the subway, which may take a longer route but will require at most a 10 minute wait, or do you take the bus, which will get you there faster but maybe come in 1 or 30 minutes?&quot;

In these situations, the subway arrival time is also important. That is why that information belongs on the street, at the subway entrances, instead of (or in addition to) on the subway platforms, where the subway commitment has already been made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do you take the subway, which may take a longer route but will require at most a 10 minute wait, or do you take the bus, which will get you there faster but maybe come in 1 or 30 minutes?&#8221;</p>
<p>In these situations, the subway arrival time is also important. That is why that information belongs on the street, at the subway entrances, instead of (or in addition to) on the subway platforms, where the subway commitment has already been made.</p>
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		<title>By: jass</title>
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		<dc:creator>jass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Countdowns are extremely important for buses, especially when the route is less frequent. Do you take the subway, which may take a longer route but will require at most a 10 minute wait, or do you take the bus, which will get you there faster but maybe come in 1 or 30 minutes?

The biggest barrier to bus ridership is uncertainty. While some high frequency routes remove that by having subway-like headways, all other lines need a countdown. Put screens in the major stops, and do the rest via cellphone (NextBus in DC uses text messaging)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Countdowns are extremely important for buses, especially when the route is less frequent. Do you take the subway, which may take a longer route but will require at most a 10 minute wait, or do you take the bus, which will get you there faster but maybe come in 1 or 30 minutes?</p>
<p>The biggest barrier to bus ridership is uncertainty. While some high frequency routes remove that by having subway-like headways, all other lines need a countdown. Put screens in the major stops, and do the rest via cellphone (NextBus in DC uses text messaging)</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post.  Since cabs account for as much as 1/3 of overall traffic volumes during high-congestion times/locations, NYC BRT buses should be equipped with sensors and cameras that can automatically fine yellow cabs blocking traffic in BRT lanes.  I don&#039;t think that would require approval from Albany.  Could the same thing be done with black cars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.  Since cabs account for as much as 1/3 of overall traffic volumes during high-congestion times/locations, NYC BRT buses should be equipped with sensors and cameras that can automatically fine yellow cabs blocking traffic in BRT lanes.  I don&#8217;t think that would require approval from Albany.  Could the same thing be done with black cars?</p>
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