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	<title>Comments on: Streetfilms: Drivers Behaving Rudely</title>
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		<title>By: poncho</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/streetfilms-drivers-behaving-rudely/comment-page-1/#comment-136961</link>
		<dc:creator>poncho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when a car stops in a crosswalk, pedestrians crossing many times accidentally brush gently against either the front or back of the car and/or gently touch the car with their hand. of course the reason one touches the car is that you sometimes need to hold on when a large crowd has to squeeze through the narrow crossing space that their car created for the pedestrians.

nothing makes a motorist more uncomfortable than someone touching their car and being surrounded by a mob of people, so that should be enough to discourage most motorists from doing it except by accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when a car stops in a crosswalk, pedestrians crossing many times accidentally brush gently against either the front or back of the car and/or gently touch the car with their hand. of course the reason one touches the car is that you sometimes need to hold on when a large crowd has to squeeze through the narrow crossing space that their car created for the pedestrians.</p>
<p>nothing makes a motorist more uncomfortable than someone touching their car and being surrounded by a mob of people, so that should be enough to discourage most motorists from doing it except by accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the past few weeks I&#039;ve actually noticed more drivers stopping before they get in an intersection they don&#039;t think they&#039;ll be able to clear.  Looks like the new block-the-box law is having some effect.  Some of them are even avoiding &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/does-the-box-blocking-crackdown-ignore-crosswalk-violations/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blocking the crosswalk&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the past few weeks I&#8217;ve actually noticed more drivers stopping before they get in an intersection they don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll be able to clear.  Looks like the new block-the-box law is having some effect.  Some of them are even avoiding <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/does-the-box-blocking-crackdown-ignore-crosswalk-violations/" rel="nofollow">blocking the crosswalk</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 06:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of a-hole drivers who do those things depicted in this clip... the honking at cars who are waiting for peds to cross is a particular pet peeve on mine. Being a city dweller I am in favor of stronger pedestrian and biker protections. 
I do drive into the city sometimes for my job (need to, to transport a very large I object I work with) and I must say it is very easy to get caught in a crosswalk while driving... it sucks, and I always feel apologetic about it, but it is not always the drivers fault. The city needs to change the way it deals with traffic to make it more ped and bike friendly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of a-hole drivers who do those things depicted in this clip&#8230; the honking at cars who are waiting for peds to cross is a particular pet peeve on mine. Being a city dweller I am in favor of stronger pedestrian and biker protections.<br />
I do drive into the city sometimes for my job (need to, to transport a very large I object I work with) and I must say it is very easy to get caught in a crosswalk while driving&#8230; it sucks, and I always feel apologetic about it, but it is not always the drivers fault. The city needs to change the way it deals with traffic to make it more ped and bike friendly.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#36 hess, &quot;. . .   whiny and making useless videos . . .&quot;


An obscene comment considering the local weekly carnage which palls in comparison with that which is happening in the developing world.

http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/16/the-weekly-carnage-87/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#36 hess, &#8220;. . .   whiny and making useless videos . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>An obscene comment considering the local weekly carnage which palls in comparison with that which is happening in the developing world.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/16/the-weekly-carnage-87/" rel="nofollow">http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/16/the-weekly-carnage-87/</a></p>
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		<title>By: hess</title>
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		<dc:creator>hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To most people on this forum, GTFO.  

To those comparing NYC to other American cities, GTFO.  Top 2 cities with the highest population density:
1.  NYC 27,440/sq mi (10,606/km2)
    -Manhattan 71,201/sq mi (27,490.9/km2)
2.  San Fran 17,323/sq mi (6,688.4/km2)

Manhattan is 3x more dense than SF.  For legitimate comparison, use HK.  Or Mumbai.  And if you ahve been to either, you won&#039;t be whiny and making useless videos anymore.  Bloomberg has made you all a bunch of babies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To most people on this forum, GTFO.  </p>
<p>To those comparing NYC to other American cities, GTFO.  Top 2 cities with the highest population density:<br />
1.  NYC 27,440/sq mi (10,606/km2)<br />
    -Manhattan 71,201/sq mi (27,490.9/km2)<br />
2.  San Fran 17,323/sq mi (6,688.4/km2)</p>
<p>Manhattan is 3x more dense than SF.  For legitimate comparison, use HK.  Or Mumbai.  And if you ahve been to either, you won&#8217;t be whiny and making useless videos anymore.  Bloomberg has made you all a bunch of babies.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This brings to light an important issue.  Problem is that most drivers take a test at 17 or 18 years old and once they pass are never required to reconsider their driving habits again.  The mindset of drivers seems to be that no-one should ever inconvenience them - otherwise they honk, cut you off, or almost hit you. A driver who nearly hit me this week told me I should move to another avenue and ride in a bike lane.  Drivers need to be reminded that pedestrians and bikes have a legitimate claim to the street space, and we all need to share.

New York law is that pedestrians have the right of way, and turning cars are required to yield to them.   If you&#039;re driving and turning, you may not like it, but you have to wait for the pedestrians to finish crossing the street.  Try taking a couple of deep breaths.

Don&#039;t try to disguise &quot;might makes right&quot; as common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This brings to light an important issue.  Problem is that most drivers take a test at 17 or 18 years old and once they pass are never required to reconsider their driving habits again.  The mindset of drivers seems to be that no-one should ever inconvenience them &#8211; otherwise they honk, cut you off, or almost hit you. A driver who nearly hit me this week told me I should move to another avenue and ride in a bike lane.  Drivers need to be reminded that pedestrians and bikes have a legitimate claim to the street space, and we all need to share.</p>
<p>New York law is that pedestrians have the right of way, and turning cars are required to yield to them.   If you&#8217;re driving and turning, you may not like it, but you have to wait for the pedestrians to finish crossing the street.  Try taking a couple of deep breaths.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t try to disguise &#8220;might makes right&#8221; as common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: martin treat</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/streetfilms-drivers-behaving-rudely/comment-page-1/#comment-136241</link>
		<dc:creator>martin treat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work: told like it is. We in Clinton/Hell&#039;s Kitchen face these abusive drivers every day and night. We must tell the Mayor and his DOT that pedestrians should not be forced to share the crossing with vehicles: completely separate signaling and buffered zones. We are so thankful for your film and look forward to the fight ahead.
Martin and Kathleen Treat, HKNA, CHEKPEDS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work: told like it is. We in Clinton/Hell&#8217;s Kitchen face these abusive drivers every day and night. We must tell the Mayor and his DOT that pedestrians should not be forced to share the crossing with vehicles: completely separate signaling and buffered zones. We are so thankful for your film and look forward to the fight ahead.<br />
Martin and Kathleen Treat, HKNA, CHEKPEDS.</p>
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		<title>By: J:Lai</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/streetfilms-drivers-behaving-rudely/comment-page-1/#comment-136031</link>
		<dc:creator>J:Lai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of good points brought up here.

One small thing that I try to do is to always refer to the driver, not the car, when describing any traffic incident.

Saying &quot;that driver ran a red light&quot;, &quot;that driver almost hit me&quot;, instead of &quot;that car&quot; helps reinforce the point that it is a human making the decision to behave this way, and not some impersonal machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of good points brought up here.</p>
<p>One small thing that I try to do is to always refer to the driver, not the car, when describing any traffic incident.</p>
<p>Saying &#8220;that driver ran a red light&#8221;, &#8220;that driver almost hit me&#8221;, instead of &#8220;that car&#8221; helps reinforce the point that it is a human making the decision to behave this way, and not some impersonal machine.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is perhaps my favorite example of a pedestrian standing up for herself toward a rude driver in a crosswalk.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emu_ZlAfuRA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hilarious&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is perhaps my favorite example of a pedestrian standing up for herself toward a rude driver in a crosswalk.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emu_ZlAfuRA" rel="nofollow">Hilarious</a></p>
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		<title>By: dporpentine</title>
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		<dc:creator>dporpentine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more with what I take to be the essential point of the video, but the execution doesn&#039;t do the subject justice. 

Starting off by focusing on people who block the box and the consequent need for pedestrians to walk a little bit more to get around them is much weaker than the later video of close shaves and how unsparing those are: people of all ages in danger of being killed for another person&#039;s (incredibly slight) convenience.

Like others, I think &quot;rude&quot; seems too mild for much of the behavior here. Maybe German has a word that means &quot;not fully intent on killing or dismembering another person but completely open to the possibility if it&#039;ll shave six seconds off a trip,&quot; as that&#039;s the label I&#039;d apply. People misstep, trip, all kinds of things--the slightest problem on the pedestrian&#039;s part could mean they end up dead. It&#039;s criminal behavior on the part of drivers, and it&#039;s incredibly pervasive.

I think we should replace the phrase &quot;windshield bias&quot; with &quot;bumper bias.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more with what I take to be the essential point of the video, but the execution doesn&#8217;t do the subject justice. </p>
<p>Starting off by focusing on people who block the box and the consequent need for pedestrians to walk a little bit more to get around them is much weaker than the later video of close shaves and how unsparing those are: people of all ages in danger of being killed for another person&#8217;s (incredibly slight) convenience.</p>
<p>Like others, I think &#8220;rude&#8221; seems too mild for much of the behavior here. Maybe German has a word that means &#8220;not fully intent on killing or dismembering another person but completely open to the possibility if it&#8217;ll shave six seconds off a trip,&#8221; as that&#8217;s the label I&#8217;d apply. People misstep, trip, all kinds of things&#8211;the slightest problem on the pedestrian&#8217;s part could mean they end up dead. It&#8217;s criminal behavior on the part of drivers, and it&#8217;s incredibly pervasive.</p>
<p>I think we should replace the phrase &#8220;windshield bias&#8221; with &#8220;bumper bias.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Zverina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Zverina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How one man deals with blocked intersections and cars parked on sidewalks...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbuxuXwhJqM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How one man deals with blocked intersections and cars parked on sidewalks&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbuxuXwhJqM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbuxuXwhJqM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, you&#039;re so right.  It&#039;s not just aggressive drivin - murder, rape, and robbery have always been part of big city life and yet people still make a big deal about them.  Move to the country if you can&#039;t handle the big city, I say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, you&#8217;re so right.  It&#8217;s not just aggressive drivin &#8211; murder, rape, and robbery have always been part of big city life and yet people still make a big deal about them.  Move to the country if you can&#8217;t handle the big city, I say.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/streetfilms-drivers-behaving-rudely/comment-page-1/#comment-135791</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The tendency of humans to behave poorly once they get behind the wheel, is not new. There is a Disney cartoon from 1956 which stars Goofy turning into a crazed maniac once he wraps himself in his tons of steel on wheels. Seek it out, it will make you laugh and then almost cry! 1956!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I sought it, and found it, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZgiVicpZGk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on YouTube&lt;/a&gt;.  So true.  Thanks, Gary!

BTW, whenever I hear someone honking at a driver who is actually yielding to pedestrians, I try to tell the honker to knock it off.

Also, if any of you studied the rules of the road, you&#039;ll remember that the instructions of a police officer supersede anything else.  In that capacity, whatever they say &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; the law.  They&#039;re not enforcing the rules of the road, they&#039;re making them, and they have that right.  If they choose to shoo all the pedestrians out of the crosswalk in order to let a car go through a red, that&#039;s the law and you&#039;re expected to obey it.  It may not be &lt;i&gt;fair&lt;/i&gt;, but it&#039;s perfectly legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The tendency of humans to behave poorly once they get behind the wheel, is not new. There is a Disney cartoon from 1956 which stars Goofy turning into a crazed maniac once he wraps himself in his tons of steel on wheels. Seek it out, it will make you laugh and then almost cry! 1956!</p></blockquote>
<p>I sought it, and found it, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZgiVicpZGk" rel="nofollow">on YouTube</a>.  So true.  Thanks, Gary!</p>
<p>BTW, whenever I hear someone honking at a driver who is actually yielding to pedestrians, I try to tell the honker to knock it off.</p>
<p>Also, if any of you studied the rules of the road, you&#8217;ll remember that the instructions of a police officer supersede anything else.  In that capacity, whatever they say <b>is</b> the law.  They&#8217;re not enforcing the rules of the road, they&#8217;re making them, and they have that right.  If they choose to shoo all the pedestrians out of the crosswalk in order to let a car go through a red, that&#8217;s the law and you&#8217;re expected to obey it.  It may not be <i>fair</i>, but it&#8217;s perfectly legal.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kaufman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kaufman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just rude. 

It&#039;s surprising that this extremely dangerous and unjustified behavior is tolerated.  I really don&#039;t see much difference between nudging a pedestrian and the brandishing of a firearm.  

Sadly, it&#039;s just another example of how messed up our transportation priorities are.

Thanks for producing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just rude. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s surprising that this extremely dangerous and unjustified behavior is tolerated.  I really don&#8217;t see much difference between nudging a pedestrian and the brandishing of a firearm.  </p>
<p>Sadly, it&#8217;s just another example of how messed up our transportation priorities are.</p>
<p>Thanks for producing this.</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have lived in Philly and lived in Boulder, CO and agree with the woman who said it is a matter of the culture of the town. In Philly, they do the &quot;nudge&quot; all the time. When I moved to Boulder, of course I expected it, but here, most of the time people give bikes and peds the right of way. I found it hard to get used to - even though I am the bike or ped! But it is a matter of the respect your city gives to bikes and peds. At least that seems to be somewhat of the difference (maybe a bit of east coast vs. mtn states thing, too). Maybe as more of the city space in NYC is allocated to bikes and peds, they will start to get the respect they deserve. 
P.S. Good job, as always, Clarence!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lived in Philly and lived in Boulder, CO and agree with the woman who said it is a matter of the culture of the town. In Philly, they do the &#8220;nudge&#8221; all the time. When I moved to Boulder, of course I expected it, but here, most of the time people give bikes and peds the right of way. I found it hard to get used to &#8211; even though I am the bike or ped! But it is a matter of the respect your city gives to bikes and peds. At least that seems to be somewhat of the difference (maybe a bit of east coast vs. mtn states thing, too). Maybe as more of the city space in NYC is allocated to bikes and peds, they will start to get the respect they deserve.<br />
P.S. Good job, as always, Clarence!</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Second film. &#039;Aliens&#039;. And while I otherwise agree with you, you probably don&#039;t want to cite that film specifically, because I think everyone wants one of those cargo movers. I sure do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second film. &#8216;Aliens&#8217;. And while I otherwise agree with you, you probably don&#8217;t want to cite that film specifically, because I think everyone wants one of those cargo movers. I sure do.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gecko,

Not totally sure if I am 100% following you there, but referencing some great flicks when talking about transportation is absolute genius.</description>
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<p>Not totally sure if I am 100% following you there, but referencing some great flicks when talking about transportation is absolute genius.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the climax of the first &quot;Alien&quot; film Sigourney Weaver straps herself into a huge robotic anthropoid cargo-moving machine to battle the Alien with the words:  &quot;Come on you bitch!&quot;

In certain ways this seems to address some of the direct structural violence of transportation systems based on automobiles where the bigger more powerful, heavily armored, and faster vehicles win.  The very violent film “Road Warrior” and a lot of others seem to have capitalized on this idea.  The vehicles that make the most noise also seem to have a distinct advantage.

The idea of structural violence kind of originated to equate the lack of suitable healthcare by the poor (which can be very painful) which is a passive situation with violent situations which are viscerally very wrong and people are much more apt to remedy. It probably does not make a lot of sense to say that war is structurally violent since it is a trivial metaphor although ironically many times more Americans are killed in road accidents in this country than during the Iraq war on a daily basis.

And, the machine advantage in transportation systems based on automobiles may also have some influence in creating more aggressive psychological states perhaps caused by an elevated sense of entitlement, power, frustration, with reduced vulnerability, etc. but, the structural violence of these systems goes beyond mere psychological states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the climax of the first &#8220;Alien&#8221; film Sigourney Weaver straps herself into a huge robotic anthropoid cargo-moving machine to battle the Alien with the words:  &#8220;Come on you bitch!&#8221;</p>
<p>In certain ways this seems to address some of the direct structural violence of transportation systems based on automobiles where the bigger more powerful, heavily armored, and faster vehicles win.  The very violent film “Road Warrior” and a lot of others seem to have capitalized on this idea.  The vehicles that make the most noise also seem to have a distinct advantage.</p>
<p>The idea of structural violence kind of originated to equate the lack of suitable healthcare by the poor (which can be very painful) which is a passive situation with violent situations which are viscerally very wrong and people are much more apt to remedy. It probably does not make a lot of sense to say that war is structurally violent since it is a trivial metaphor although ironically many times more Americans are killed in road accidents in this country than during the Iraq war on a daily basis.</p>
<p>And, the machine advantage in transportation systems based on automobiles may also have some influence in creating more aggressive psychological states perhaps caused by an elevated sense of entitlement, power, frustration, with reduced vulnerability, etc. but, the structural violence of these systems goes beyond mere psychological states.</p>
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		<title>By: LisaB</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/streetfilms-drivers-behaving-rudely/comment-page-1/#comment-135671</link>
		<dc:creator>LisaB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definately disagree that this kind of rude and dangerous driver behaviour is a fact of life in major cities.   it&#039;s actually only a fact of life in cities that tolerate it.   I&#039;ve been to plenty of big cities where drivers are respectful of pedestrians.

The fact that so many people in NYC are so used to it that they don&#039;t even notice (it&#039;s amazing in that video, people don&#039;t even do a double take at a car that just about nips their feet as it squeezes by - that would be shocking behaviour where I live), that&#039;s part of the problem.  If there was social pressure for drivers to just follow the law (i.e. don&#039;t enter an intersection unless your exit is clear), if pedestrians stood up for their rights, if cops enforced these things then a new norm would emerge (eventually).

I remember when I moved from Ottawa, Ontario - where cars come to a sudden stop if you even look at a crosswalk - to Madison, WI and I nearly died crossing the street because the culture there is to NEVER yeild to a pedestrian (learned that fast).   Both places have the exact same laws.  One place has created a culture that respects the law (and consequently pedestrians, and lives), one place has been lax and a new culture has emerged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definately disagree that this kind of rude and dangerous driver behaviour is a fact of life in major cities.   it&#8217;s actually only a fact of life in cities that tolerate it.   I&#8217;ve been to plenty of big cities where drivers are respectful of pedestrians.</p>
<p>The fact that so many people in NYC are so used to it that they don&#8217;t even notice (it&#8217;s amazing in that video, people don&#8217;t even do a double take at a car that just about nips their feet as it squeezes by &#8211; that would be shocking behaviour where I live), that&#8217;s part of the problem.  If there was social pressure for drivers to just follow the law (i.e. don&#8217;t enter an intersection unless your exit is clear), if pedestrians stood up for their rights, if cops enforced these things then a new norm would emerge (eventually).</p>
<p>I remember when I moved from Ottawa, Ontario &#8211; where cars come to a sudden stop if you even look at a crosswalk &#8211; to Madison, WI and I nearly died crossing the street because the culture there is to NEVER yeild to a pedestrian (learned that fast).   Both places have the exact same laws.  One place has created a culture that respects the law (and consequently pedestrians, and lives), one place has been lax and a new culture has emerged.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/streetfilms-drivers-behaving-rudely/comment-page-1/#comment-135651</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not within inches. I said a yard, under 5mph, with your foot on the brake, with eye contact and optional body language. Quit strawmanning.

Do it my way and nobody will be honking because pedestrians and cars will switch through the crosswalk efficiently. People and cars both clump up, and move in turn.

You drive occasionally, you&#039;re probably inexperienced. Consider driving more or not at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not within inches. I said a yard, under 5mph, with your foot on the brake, with eye contact and optional body language. Quit strawmanning.</p>
<p>Do it my way and nobody will be honking because pedestrians and cars will switch through the crosswalk efficiently. People and cars both clump up, and move in turn.</p>
<p>You drive occasionally, you&#8217;re probably inexperienced. Consider driving more or not at all.</p>
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