Comments on: Manhattan CB 12 Still Obsessed With Greenmarket Traffic Disruptions http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/manhattan-cb-12-still-obsessed-with-greenmarket-traffic-disruptions/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ian Turner http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/manhattan-cb-12-still-obsessed-with-greenmarket-traffic-disruptions/comment-page-1/#comment-136531 Ian Turner Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:33:36 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=69971#comment-136531 JLS, How does a halfway house cause automotive congestion? Are the city's homeless driving to shelters now? Where do they park? --Ian JLS,

How does a halfway house cause automotive congestion? Are the city’s homeless driving to shelters now? Where do they park?

–Ian

]]> By: JLS http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/manhattan-cb-12-still-obsessed-with-greenmarket-traffic-disruptions/comment-page-1/#comment-136521 JLS Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:20:50 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=69971#comment-136521 Look, it's not just the hospital causing congestion, though it is responsible for a ton of it. There is also the Armory right there, which has buses for track teams, and a halfway house on 168 around the corner. CB 12 has been trying to deal with complaints about the existing congestion at the intersection for a long time, which is why they were making sure that the Greenmarket wouldn't mess things up any more than they are already - and I bet they also wanted to have this dead clear so when motorists eventually come in to complain, they can explain what was really the take-home point, that this Greenmarket should be fine because it isn't really on the intersection but really on the one-way Haven Ave, which feeds into 168th St, so that it is really out of the way of the rest of the traffic. Kate - if you don't like the board, complain to MBP Scott Stringer, and if he isn't responsive vote for someone else next time. chucklehead - That is not the Greenmarket, but a different market that is there everyday. Your "familiarity" with the situation is a joke. Look, it’s not just the hospital causing congestion, though it is responsible for a ton of it. There is also the Armory right there, which has buses for track teams, and a halfway house on 168 around the corner. CB 12 has been trying to deal with complaints about the existing congestion at the intersection for a long time, which is why they were making sure that the Greenmarket wouldn’t mess things up any more than they are already – and I bet they also wanted to have this dead clear so when motorists eventually come in to complain, they can explain what was really the take-home point, that this Greenmarket should be fine because it isn’t really on the intersection but really on the one-way Haven Ave, which feeds into 168th St, so that it is really out of the way of the rest of the traffic.

Kate – if you don’t like the board, complain to MBP Scott Stringer, and if he isn’t responsive vote for someone else next time.

chucklehead – That is not the Greenmarket, but a different market that is there everyday. Your “familiarity” with the situation is a joke.

]]> By: chucklehead http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/manhattan-cb-12-still-obsessed-with-greenmarket-traffic-disruptions/comment-page-1/#comment-136121 chucklehead Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:08:59 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=69971#comment-136121 The "green" market on 175th St. is a joke. At least half of the vendors are peddling DVDs, video games, tube socks and cheap housewares. As for the produce, there's nothing on display that can't be found at local bodegas for the same price: wilted lettuce, bruised tomatoes and tons and tons of starchy root vegetables. It'd be nice to see green stuff at the local greenmarket, but one has to travel to other neighborhoods for that. The “green” market on 175th St. is a joke.

At least half of the vendors are peddling DVDs, video games, tube socks and cheap housewares.

As for the produce, there’s nothing on display that can’t be found at local bodegas for the same price: wilted lettuce, bruised tomatoes and tons and tons of starchy root vegetables.

It’d be nice to see green stuff at the local greenmarket, but one has to travel to other neighborhoods for that.

]]> By: annonymous http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/manhattan-cb-12-still-obsessed-with-greenmarket-traffic-disruptions/comment-page-1/#comment-135961 annonymous Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:20:06 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=69971#comment-135961 I have been working with both the Transportation and Parks Committees and the administration of Board 12 for a few months now... It seems that before my time there was a decision to shoot down a previous greenmarket, which I know nothing about. Nonetheless, let me say that the support for greenmarkets is well understood in the board who have to work with the NYPD enforcement to discuss livery traffic issues in the area, on top of regular AND hospital traffic. I think that fair consideration is due in deciding upon a greenmarket and that Board 12 in many ways is being fair - including taking into consideration the affect on the street vendors of instituting a greenmarket. Don't be so quick to hate on board 12, they are actually very concerned with the health and well being of the community as a whole. I have been working with both the Transportation and Parks Committees and the administration of Board 12 for a few months now…

It seems that before my time there was a decision to shoot down a previous greenmarket, which I know nothing about.

Nonetheless, let me say that the support for greenmarkets is well understood in the board who have to work with the NYPD enforcement to discuss livery traffic issues in the area, on top of regular AND hospital traffic.

I think that fair consideration is due in deciding upon a greenmarket and that Board 12 in many ways is being fair – including taking into consideration the affect on the street vendors of instituting a greenmarket.

Don’t be so quick to hate on board 12, they are actually very concerned with the health and well being of the community as a whole.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/manhattan-cb-12-still-obsessed-with-greenmarket-traffic-disruptions/comment-page-1/#comment-135941 Jonathan Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:47:07 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=69971#comment-135941 There is already a <a href="http://www.cenyc.org/node/286" rel="nofollow">Greenmarket on 175th and Broadway, every Thursday, June through November</a>. I would say from my limited direct experience with CB 12 that the Transportation Committee members especially are sensitive to traffic and to the neighborhood being used as a thoroughfare by drivers headed to and from New Jersey. Kate: You should join <a href="http://www.livablestreets.com/projects/inwood-livable-streets" rel="nofollow">Inwood and Washington Heights Livable Streets</a>! We are meeting next Wednesday, 7:30 pm, place TBA. Our mission is to improve the neighborhood by advocating for more greenways, more pedestrian improvements, and more parks. There is already a Greenmarket on 175th and Broadway, every Thursday, June through November.

I would say from my limited direct experience with CB 12 that the Transportation Committee members especially are sensitive to traffic and to the neighborhood being used as a thoroughfare by drivers headed to and from New Jersey.

Kate: You should join Inwood and Washington Heights Livable Streets! We are meeting next Wednesday, 7:30 pm, place TBA. Our mission is to improve the neighborhood by advocating for more greenways, more pedestrian improvements, and more parks.

]]> By: Ian Dutton http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/manhattan-cb-12-still-obsessed-with-greenmarket-traffic-disruptions/comment-page-1/#comment-135861 Ian Dutton Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:11:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=69971#comment-135861 It's sad that Manh BP Stringer, who has wisely brought the issue of food inequality to the forefront (that wealthier neighborhoods downtown have better access to fresh foods and thus the corresponding health benefits) has not been able to get that point through to the CB members he appoints in those very neighborhoods that lack fresh foods. Maybe he's been unable to find suitable recruits for CB12? Anyone here applied? It’s sad that Manh BP Stringer, who has wisely brought the issue of food inequality to the forefront (that wealthier neighborhoods downtown have better access to fresh foods and thus the corresponding health benefits) has not been able to get that point through to the CB members he appoints in those very neighborhoods that lack fresh foods.

Maybe he’s been unable to find suitable recruits for CB12? Anyone here applied?

]]> By: Glenn http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/manhattan-cb-12-still-obsessed-with-greenmarket-traffic-disruptions/comment-page-1/#comment-135621 Glenn Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:58:36 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=69971#comment-135621 All those intersections created by St. Nicholas Ave between 160th and 168th probably create havoc with traffic too. There's a large bow-tie between 168th and 170th that could be untangled perhaps. Steering cars onto the West Side highway or Harlem River Drive at 155th for the GW/Cross Bronx would also help a lot I bet. For instance, you could reverse the flow at 155th between B'way and Riverside Drive to lure more cars over there, instead of drawing more into the center. There are lots of great opportunities in Hamilton/Washington Heights to expand some of the public spaces or even pedestrianize a street to prevent a five-way intersection. All those intersections created by St. Nicholas Ave between 160th and 168th probably create havoc with traffic too. There’s a large bow-tie between 168th and 170th that could be untangled perhaps.

Steering cars onto the West Side highway or Harlem River Drive at 155th for the GW/Cross Bronx would also help a lot I bet. For instance, you could reverse the flow at 155th between B’way and Riverside Drive to lure more cars over there, instead of drawing more into the center.

There are lots of great opportunities in Hamilton/Washington Heights to expand some of the public spaces or even pedestrianize a street to prevent a five-way intersection.

]]> By: Liketoride http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/manhattan-cb-12-still-obsessed-with-greenmarket-traffic-disruptions/comment-page-1/#comment-135601 Liketoride Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:33:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=69971#comment-135601 The green market needs to be on 168th and not block Ft Washington. Be better if it didn't block 168th either but just took away parking --- there is a surface parking lot owned by the hospital where 168th curves. Problem in this area is that the grid is interrupted by the hospital superblocks and the really long blocks funnel traffic into the intersection of 168th and Ft Washington. Ft Washington is the main bicycle connector between the George Washington Bridge and Riverside Drive and the Hudson River Greenway. Hundreds, maybe thousands of cyclists some days, use it to get over to New Jersey and Hudson Valley riding. The green market needs to be on 168th and not block Ft Washington. Be better if it didn’t block 168th either but just took away parking — there is a surface parking lot owned by the hospital where 168th curves. Problem in this area is that the grid is interrupted by the hospital superblocks and the really long blocks funnel traffic into the intersection of 168th and Ft Washington.

Ft Washington is the main bicycle connector between the George Washington Bridge and Riverside Drive and the Hudson River Greenway. Hundreds, maybe thousands of cyclists some days, use it to get over to New Jersey and Hudson Valley riding.

]]> By: Kaja http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/manhattan-cb-12-still-obsessed-with-greenmarket-traffic-disruptions/comment-page-1/#comment-135581 Kaja Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:16:14 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=69971#comment-135581 Kate, I'm pretty sure we have to wait for them to die. Kate, I’m pretty sure we have to wait for them to die.

]]> By: LN http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/manhattan-cb-12-still-obsessed-with-greenmarket-traffic-disruptions/comment-page-1/#comment-135571 LN Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:15:05 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=69971#comment-135571 The hospital is at fault for the traffic up there -- there's no loading docks, and all the trucks are regularly double parked along 168, ft Washington and Broadway. Its a biking nightmare I pass every day. Looking forward to the greenmarket though. The hospital is at fault for the traffic up there — there’s no loading docks, and all the trucks are regularly double parked along 168, ft Washington and Broadway. Its a biking nightmare I pass every day.

Looking forward to the greenmarket though.

]]> By: Kate http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/manhattan-cb-12-still-obsessed-with-greenmarket-traffic-disruptions/comment-page-1/#comment-135551 Kate Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:01:19 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=69971#comment-135551 Seriously, How do we get rid of this board? I'm relatively new to the neighborhood and I find the lack of interest in improving it by the people that actually have some power to do some good appalling and depressing. It could be so great up there! Seriously, How do we get rid of this board? I’m relatively new to the neighborhood and I find the lack of interest in improving it by the people that actually have some power to do some good appalling and depressing.
It could be so great up there!

]]> By: Glenn http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/10/15/manhattan-cb-12-still-obsessed-with-greenmarket-traffic-disruptions/comment-page-1/#comment-135461 Glenn Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:02:13 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=69971#comment-135461 Someone needs to write a authoritative presentation named Traffic Reduction 101 that shows proven strategies to reduce traffic like market rate meters, tolling bridges, NOT just facilitating flow Someone needs to write a authoritative presentation named Traffic Reduction 101 that shows proven strategies to reduce traffic like market rate meters, tolling bridges, NOT just facilitating flow

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