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	<title>Comments on: New Report: Feds Subsidizing Parking Six Times as Much as Transit</title>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elana,

Thank you for posting these numbers.  I did my graduate thesis work in &#039;07/&#039;08 on Transportation Fringe Benefits, and that $3bn in foregone tax revenue was an impossible number to suss out at the time.  The data was simply not available, and I was told in no uncertain terms that it would have taken a congressional request to get it.  Thank goodness times have changed and parking is now a major focus of transportation and economic debate.

I was able to make a very broad estimation of the value of the foregone tax revenue, however, and found it to be somewhere between $2b and $6b annually.  Glad to see I at least captured it in my range.  Unsurprisingly, I came up with a recommendation that the parking subsidy should be phased out in order to best situate the costs of driving upon the user, but I was encouraged to add a proviso about the political difficulty of such a change.  Now that a more official dollar figure is attached to it, perhaps it will be on the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elana,</p>
<p>Thank you for posting these numbers.  I did my graduate thesis work in &#8217;07/&#8217;08 on Transportation Fringe Benefits, and that $3bn in foregone tax revenue was an impossible number to suss out at the time.  The data was simply not available, and I was told in no uncertain terms that it would have taken a congressional request to get it.  Thank goodness times have changed and parking is now a major focus of transportation and economic debate.</p>
<p>I was able to make a very broad estimation of the value of the foregone tax revenue, however, and found it to be somewhere between $2b and $6b annually.  Glad to see I at least captured it in my range.  Unsurprisingly, I came up with a recommendation that the parking subsidy should be phased out in order to best situate the costs of driving upon the user, but I was encouraged to add a proviso about the political difficulty of such a change.  Now that a more official dollar figure is attached to it, perhaps it will be on the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, could just as easily be 10X or 20X, right? The fact that something is difficult to measure accurately doesn&#039;t mean that we shouldn&#039;t try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, could just as easily be 10X or 20X, right? The fact that something is difficult to measure accurately doesn&#8217;t mean that we shouldn&#8217;t try.</p>
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		<title>By: drosejr</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/09/29/new-report-feds-subsidizing-parking-six-times-as-much-as-transit/comment-page-1/#comment-125611</link>
		<dc:creator>drosejr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,

Those amounts were updated for the stimulus bill, with the new $230 deductions available from March:

http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=205664,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>Those amounts were updated for the stimulus bill, with the new $230 deductions available from March:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=205664,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=205664,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elana, my point is that the multiplier of five of which you speak is derived from numbers that the IRS doesn&#039;t think are reliable, because there is no way to discern fair market value for parking on business premises. So is it 5x, or 3x, or what? Pew/WHBO can&#039;t support this assumption, and neither should you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elana, my point is that the multiplier of five of which you speak is derived from numbers that the IRS doesn&#8217;t think are reliable, because there is no way to discern fair market value for parking on business premises. So is it 5x, or 3x, or what? Pew/WHBO can&#8217;t support this assumption, and neither should you.</p>
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		<title>By: Elana Schor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elana Schor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan: They&#039;re not Pew&#039;s numbers, they&#039;re the White House budget office&#039;s; all Pew did was formulate the chart. That IRS document was the same one I looked at, and it has not been updated to reflect the stimulus law&#039;s change. Additionally, the IRS&#039; perspective on the difficulty of determining market value may well be correct - still, five times more money is getting exempted for parking than transit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan: They&#8217;re not Pew&#8217;s numbers, they&#8217;re the White House budget office&#8217;s; all Pew did was formulate the chart. That IRS document was the same one I looked at, and it has not been updated to reflect the stimulus law&#8217;s change. Additionally, the IRS&#8217; perspective on the difficulty of determining market value may well be correct &#8211; still, five times more money is getting exempted for parking than transit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/fringe_benefit_fslg.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IRS&lt;/a&gt;, in a 91-page (310KB) PDF file, puts the current amount of Qualified Transportation Fringe Benefits at $230 per month in parking, $120 per month in transit, and $20 per month for cycling.

I have an issue with your presentation, however. The QTFB is not a tax credit, so it doesn&#039;t count 100% as a Federal subsidy. Assuming I have a marginal federal tax rate of 20%, the fact that my $89 monthly metrocard is paid for as a pretax QTFB means that I am foregoing the payment of $213.60 in federal taxes annually. This is not a subsidy of $1,068 like you&#039;re making it out to be. 

In addition, as the report says, &quot;One problem with taxing directly supplied fringe benefits, such as free or reduced price parking, is the administrative difficulty in determining fair market value.&quot; So if the cost of free or reduced-price parking is too wishy-washy for the IRS to determine, how can you, Elana, take Pew&#039;s numbers at face value?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/fringe_benefit_fslg.pdf" rel="nofollow">IRS</a>, in a 91-page (310KB) PDF file, puts the current amount of Qualified Transportation Fringe Benefits at $230 per month in parking, $120 per month in transit, and $20 per month for cycling.</p>
<p>I have an issue with your presentation, however. The QTFB is not a tax credit, so it doesn&#8217;t count 100% as a Federal subsidy. Assuming I have a marginal federal tax rate of 20%, the fact that my $89 monthly metrocard is paid for as a pretax QTFB means that I am foregoing the payment of $213.60 in federal taxes annually. This is not a subsidy of $1,068 like you&#8217;re making it out to be. </p>
<p>In addition, as the report says, &#8220;One problem with taxing directly supplied fringe benefits, such as free or reduced price parking, is the administrative difficulty in determining fair market value.&#8221; So if the cost of free or reduced-price parking is too wishy-washy for the IRS to determine, how can you, Elana, take Pew&#8217;s numbers at face value?</p>
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		<title>By: Elana Schor</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/09/29/new-report-feds-subsidizing-parking-six-times-as-much-as-transit/comment-page-1/#comment-125441</link>
		<dc:creator>Elana Schor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right you are, drosejr - my summary of monthly benefits didn&#039;t reflect that change. Post has been updated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right you are, drosejr &#8211; my summary of monthly benefits didn&#8217;t reflect that change. Post has been updated.</p>
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		<title>By: drosejr</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/09/29/new-report-feds-subsidizing-parking-six-times-as-much-as-transit/comment-page-1/#comment-125421</link>
		<dc:creator>drosejr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that the allowable pre-tax deductions for transit and parking &quot;cafeteria&quot; plans were equalized earlier this year in the ARRA bill, with the provision put in there by Chuck Schumer.  One can now set aside up to $220 pre-tax for both parking and transit, vs the inequities spoke of above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that the allowable pre-tax deductions for transit and parking &#8220;cafeteria&#8221; plans were equalized earlier this year in the ARRA bill, with the provision put in there by Chuck Schumer.  One can now set aside up to $220 pre-tax for both parking and transit, vs the inequities spoke of above.</p>
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