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	<title>Comments on: Lunch Break Fun: Gerson Leads Protest of &#8220;Dangerous&#8221; Grand St. Bike Lane</title>
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		<title>By: joef</title>
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		<dc:creator>joef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a resident of Grand St all my life.(over 50yrs) The bike lane sucks, plain &amp; simple. I was watching when these photos were taken. The photographers had to wait a LONG time for traffic to subside to take what seem to be nice traffic flowing photos. Buses no longer drive on Grand St hurting business, fire &amp; emergency vehicles can&#039;t get through- forget about making turns, no one hardly uses these dumb bike lanes, and many drive in the wrong direction! People are constsantly getting hit by bikes. I live with this nonsense every day. The community planning board approved it. SO WHAT? Any idiot can be on the planning board! some planning board members have only lived in NYC for 6 months! What a joke! Community residents were dead set against this bike lane, far outnumbering the number of votes in the planning board. I&#039;m not against bike lanes..Just this one Grand st is too narrow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a resident of Grand St all my life.(over 50yrs) The bike lane sucks, plain &amp; simple. I was watching when these photos were taken. The photographers had to wait a LONG time for traffic to subside to take what seem to be nice traffic flowing photos. Buses no longer drive on Grand St hurting business, fire &amp; emergency vehicles can&#8217;t get through- forget about making turns, no one hardly uses these dumb bike lanes, and many drive in the wrong direction! People are constsantly getting hit by bikes. I live with this nonsense every day. The community planning board approved it. SO WHAT? Any idiot can be on the planning board! some planning board members have only lived in NYC for 6 months! What a joke! Community residents were dead set against this bike lane, far outnumbering the number of votes in the planning board. I&#8217;m not against bike lanes..Just this one Grand st is too narrow!</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What specifically do people think is dangerous about the bike lane?</description>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i strolled over to the event today.  Here are some &quot;Frightening&quot; numbers...

As Gershon talked, nearly 20 cyclists cycled past.  About the same number of cars, around 25, went past the presser.  Seems like the road is in perfect balance.

One woman talked about how dangerous the road has become for pedestrians, especially children and the elderly.  Most cars on the road operate between 5 to 10 mph.  The probability of surviving a crash at that speed is astronomically high.  If the bike lane has brought down speeds, then this makes her statement highly illogical, after all the crossing distance is now shorter thanks to the buffer and bike lane.  

Just think if this road were wider and cars travelling say 20 mph.  If you get hit at that speed, the chances of dying in a crash jump dramatically.  And once you hit 30 mph - you are more likely to die than not.

Let&#039;s be honest then, what is this really all about?  Is it about the ability to double park?  Is this just about not wanting to have a safe place for cyclists to ride?  What is it?  Cause the facts do not support its removal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i strolled over to the event today.  Here are some &#8220;Frightening&#8221; numbers&#8230;</p>
<p>As Gershon talked, nearly 20 cyclists cycled past.  About the same number of cars, around 25, went past the presser.  Seems like the road is in perfect balance.</p>
<p>One woman talked about how dangerous the road has become for pedestrians, especially children and the elderly.  Most cars on the road operate between 5 to 10 mph.  The probability of surviving a crash at that speed is astronomically high.  If the bike lane has brought down speeds, then this makes her statement highly illogical, after all the crossing distance is now shorter thanks to the buffer and bike lane.  </p>
<p>Just think if this road were wider and cars travelling say 20 mph.  If you get hit at that speed, the chances of dying in a crash jump dramatically.  And once you hit 30 mph &#8211; you are more likely to die than not.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be honest then, what is this really all about?  Is it about the ability to double park?  Is this just about not wanting to have a safe place for cyclists to ride?  What is it?  Cause the facts do not support its removal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/08/21/lunch-break-fun-gerson-leads-protest-of-dangerous-grand-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-105571</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! True dat Shemp.
So how many people showed today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! True dat Shemp.<br />
So how many people showed today?</p>
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		<title>By: Teenyblogger</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/08/21/lunch-break-fun-gerson-leads-protest-of-dangerous-grand-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-105541</link>
		<dc:creator>Teenyblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerson is the biggest fool ever to get voted into city hall.</description>
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		<title>By: Shemp</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/08/21/lunch-break-fun-gerson-leads-protest-of-dangerous-grand-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-105531</link>
		<dc:creator>Shemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How cool is it that Gerson is getting trashed by both sides here on Streetsblog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How cool is it that Gerson is getting trashed by both sides here on Streetsblog?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/08/21/lunch-break-fun-gerson-leads-protest-of-dangerous-grand-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-105511</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason A  you said it! 
@ TKO - people will learn, give them time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason A  you said it!<br />
@ TKO &#8211; people will learn, give them time.</p>
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		<title>By: Geck</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/08/21/lunch-break-fun-gerson-leads-protest-of-dangerous-grand-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-105491</link>
		<dc:creator>Geck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was of course referring the the presence of the press, not the fact the Gerson has to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was of course referring the the presence of the press, not the fact the Gerson has to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Pursuant</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/08/21/lunch-break-fun-gerson-leads-protest-of-dangerous-grand-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-105481</link>
		<dc:creator>Pursuant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;dangerous con--

This doesn&#039;t even deserve a response. Nor should the city engage in a round of Mother May I with this clown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;dangerous con&#8211;</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t even deserve a response. Nor should the city engage in a round of Mother May I with this clown.</p>
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		<title>By: Geck</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/08/21/lunch-break-fun-gerson-leads-protest-of-dangerous-grand-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-105471</link>
		<dc:creator>Geck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: ABG</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/08/21/lunch-break-fun-gerson-leads-protest-of-dangerous-grand-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-105461</link>
		<dc:creator>ABG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a nearby resident, I am opposed to the bike lane.  

Nevertheless, when I called his office to complain, the calls were not returned.  Other neighbors say the same thing. Even emails were ignored

This is a desperate, cynical publicity stunt by an incompetent incumbent facing defeat in an an election that is three weeks away. Where was Gerson when we needed him?

Oh, right. Voting to extend his own term limits and giving himself a job for four more years.  Or so he thought. Gerson gotta go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a nearby resident, I am opposed to the bike lane.  </p>
<p>Nevertheless, when I called his office to complain, the calls were not returned.  Other neighbors say the same thing. Even emails were ignored</p>
<p>This is a desperate, cynical publicity stunt by an incompetent incumbent facing defeat in an an election that is three weeks away. Where was Gerson when we needed him?</p>
<p>Oh, right. Voting to extend his own term limits and giving himself a job for four more years.  Or so he thought. Gerson gotta go!</p>
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		<title>By: Shemp</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/08/21/lunch-break-fun-gerson-leads-protest-of-dangerous-grand-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-105451</link>
		<dc:creator>Shemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geck, any press actually show other than the downtown rags?</description>
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		<title>By: Geck</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/08/21/lunch-break-fun-gerson-leads-protest-of-dangerous-grand-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-105441</link>
		<dc:creator>Geck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went. He is so full of distortions and obfuscation it is infuriating. I think Jason A in 100% right and Gerson does not acknowledge it at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went. He is so full of distortions and obfuscation it is infuriating. I think Jason A in 100% right and Gerson does not acknowledge it at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/08/21/lunch-break-fun-gerson-leads-protest-of-dangerous-grand-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-105401</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re TKO and Mark Walker:  where it&#039;s crowded in NYC, car-free spaces are going to become pedestrian spaces, and therefore NOT safe bike spaces.  I tried riding in the Grand St lane once and now avoid it - as I do the Brooklyn Bridge and Herald Sq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re TKO and Mark Walker:  where it&#8217;s crowded in NYC, car-free spaces are going to become pedestrian spaces, and therefore NOT safe bike spaces.  I tried riding in the Grand St lane once and now avoid it &#8211; as I do the Brooklyn Bridge and Herald Sq.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason A</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/08/21/lunch-break-fun-gerson-leads-protest-of-dangerous-grand-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-105391</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s his problem with protected bike lanes - as opposed to any other bike lane in the city?  

Inhibits deliveries?  Can&#039;t double park in the bike lane? 

If that&#039;s the case, he&#039;s tacitly admitting that much of city&#039;s bike lane network is already compromised by cars.  The Grand St. bike lane is a solution that works - of course drivers hate it b/c you can&#039;t undermine it.  

Why doesn&#039;t he doesn&#039;t Gerson do something constructive and focus on parking reform?  

Furthermore, does Gerson honestly deny there&#039;s a congestion problem downtown?  How many more cars does he think we can squeeze into Lower Manhattan?    

These are the questions politicians should be asked when they attack bike lanes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s his problem with protected bike lanes &#8211; as opposed to any other bike lane in the city?  </p>
<p>Inhibits deliveries?  Can&#8217;t double park in the bike lane? </p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the case, he&#8217;s tacitly admitting that much of city&#8217;s bike lane network is already compromised by cars.  The Grand St. bike lane is a solution that works &#8211; of course drivers hate it b/c you can&#8217;t undermine it.  </p>
<p>Why doesn&#8217;t he doesn&#8217;t Gerson do something constructive and focus on parking reform?  </p>
<p>Furthermore, does Gerson honestly deny there&#8217;s a congestion problem downtown?  How many more cars does he think we can squeeze into Lower Manhattan?    </p>
<p>These are the questions politicians should be asked when they attack bike lanes.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Samponaro</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/08/21/lunch-break-fun-gerson-leads-protest-of-dangerous-grand-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-105371</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Samponaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best use of everyone&#039;s time is to contact Council Member Gerson directly in support of the bike lane via email or snail mail. 
http://council.nyc.gov/d1/html/members/home.shtml

To be sure that your support is actually registered, cc the Community Board on your letter:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/cau/html/cb/cb_manhattan.shtml

You can also cc Transportation Alternatives:
127 West 26th Street, Suite 1002
New York, NY 10001</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best use of everyone&#8217;s time is to contact Council Member Gerson directly in support of the bike lane via email or snail mail.<br />
<a href="http://council.nyc.gov/d1/html/members/home.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://council.nyc.gov/d1/html/members/home.shtml</a></p>
<p>To be sure that your support is actually registered, cc the Community Board on your letter:<br />
<a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/cau/html/cb/cb_manhattan.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/html/cau/html/cb/cb_manhattan.shtml</a></p>
<p>You can also cc Transportation Alternatives:<br />
127 West 26th Street, Suite 1002<br />
New York, NY 10001</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/08/21/lunch-break-fun-gerson-leads-protest-of-dangerous-grand-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-105361</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came up with a few sarcastic sign ideas. Any thoughts?

“End Safe Bike Lanes Now!”

“Make Grand Street Dangerous Again!”

“Un-green NYC”

“Cars for congestion”

&quot;Car owners against safe biking&quot;</description>
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<p>“End Safe Bike Lanes Now!”</p>
<p>“Make Grand Street Dangerous Again!”</p>
<p>“Un-green NYC”</p>
<p>“Cars for congestion”</p>
<p>&#8220;Car owners against safe biking&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/08/21/lunch-break-fun-gerson-leads-protest-of-dangerous-grand-st-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-105351</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding TKO #3 (I won&#039;t repaste the whole thing): These problems are not inherent in bike lanes. In many European cities, pretty much all road users respect others and the bike lanes operate without molestation. This is a New York problem. The solution, I think, would be a civility (or anti-incivility) campaign as determined as the city&#039;s antismoking campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding TKO #3 (I won&#8217;t repaste the whole thing): These problems are not inherent in bike lanes. In many European cities, pretty much all road users respect others and the bike lanes operate without molestation. This is a New York problem. The solution, I think, would be a civility (or anti-incivility) campaign as determined as the city&#8217;s antismoking campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a shame. It&#039;s true more education is needed. There are a lot of tourists who have no idea, and fruit/veg stand workers who use that lane to haul stuff. Not to mention those streets there are simply crowded and people who live in the area walk in them to move faster. To protest it seems so ridiculous though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a shame. It&#8217;s true more education is needed. There are a lot of tourists who have no idea, and fruit/veg stand workers who use that lane to haul stuff. Not to mention those streets there are simply crowded and people who live in the area walk in them to move faster. To protest it seems so ridiculous though!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Epstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Epstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only hazard I see is the seam between the green pavement and that metal manhole cover.</description>
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