Comments on: The Weekly Carnage http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/07/02/the-weekly-carnage-72/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:31:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: gecko http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/07/02/the-weekly-carnage-72/comment-page-1/#comment-78081 gecko Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:43:14 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7651#comment-78081 Not reporting critical information important for life is a serious breach in the main purpose of our communications systems. Not reporting critical information important for life is a serious breach in the main purpose of our communications systems.

]]> By: gecko http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/07/02/the-weekly-carnage-72/comment-page-1/#comment-78071 gecko Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:20:19 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7651#comment-78071 #7 Chris Grayson (continued), Survival is profoundly intrinsic to tne nature of living things where self-organizing processes provide continual improvement and intelligence is the great amplifying agent providing near-instant adaptation toward positive change. To deny this with passivity and no action makes no sense. #7 Chris Grayson (continued), Survival is profoundly intrinsic to tne nature of living things where self-organizing processes provide continual improvement and intelligence is the great amplifying agent providing near-instant adaptation toward positive change.

To deny this with passivity and no action makes no sense.

]]> By: gecko http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/07/02/the-weekly-carnage-72/comment-page-1/#comment-78051 gecko Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:42:50 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7651#comment-78051 #7 Chris Grayson, "Carnage is not common in our society at all. As a statistical fact, we live in the most peaceful place and time with the least suffering in the entire history of human civilization." Yes this is true but, and even more no reason to allow the carnage caused by our machines to persist as it results from our own actions and is tragically completely preventable. #7 Chris Grayson, "Carnage is not common in our society at all. As a statistical fact, we live in the most peaceful place and time with the least suffering in the entire history of human civilization."

Yes this is true but, and even more no reason to allow the carnage caused by our machines to persist as it results from our own actions and is tragically completely preventable.

]]> By: Chris Grayson http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/07/02/the-weekly-carnage-72/comment-page-1/#comment-78041 Chris Grayson Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:17:10 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7651#comment-78041 vnm writes: "Carnage is so routine in our society that sometimes it's not worth more than a couple of paragraphs in one paper and no coverage at all in others..." All loss of life is sad and tragic, but factually, your statement couldn't be further from the truth. Carnage is not common in our society at all. As a statistical fact, we live in the most peaceful place and time with the least suffering in the entire history of human civilization. In the past, so many people died brutal death and it merited zero coverage by anyone anywhere, and if it happened even 10 or 20 miles from where you lived, you were not likely to ever learn about it at all because the modern communication infrastructure that we have today did not exist. Steven Pinker gave an excellent lecture about this at TED in March of 2007: http://tinyurl.com/myth-of-violence I highly recommend it. Best regards, Chris vnm writes:
"Carnage is so routine in our society that sometimes it's not worth more than a couple of paragraphs in one paper and no coverage at all in others..."

All loss of life is sad and tragic, but factually, your statement couldn't be further from the truth.

Carnage is not common in our society at all. As a statistical fact, we live in the most peaceful place and time with the least suffering in the entire history of human civilization.

In the past, so many people died brutal death and it merited zero coverage by anyone anywhere, and if it happened even 10 or 20 miles from where you lived, you were not likely to ever learn about it at all because the modern communication infrastructure that we have today did not exist.

Steven Pinker gave an excellent lecture about this at TED in March of 2007:
http://tinyurl.com/myth-of-violence

I highly recommend it.

Best regards,
Chris

]]> By: gecko http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/07/02/the-weekly-carnage-72/comment-page-1/#comment-77941 gecko Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:15:47 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7651#comment-77941 "The Weekly Carnage" is a very effective wakeup call to the horrific ongoing structural violence of transportation systems based on automobiles, though it just touches the surface when the broader domestic and global short and long-term issues are considered. "The Weekly Carnage" is a very effective wakeup call to the horrific ongoing structural violence of transportation systems based on automobiles, though it just touches the surface when the broader domestic and global short and long-term issues are considered.

]]> By: Ian Turner http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/07/02/the-weekly-carnage-72/comment-page-1/#comment-77831 Ian Turner Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:29:54 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7651#comment-77831 Eric, At least part, and maybe all, of the phenomenon involving professional atheletes and car crashes can be attributed to reporting bias. Deadly accidents happen so often they are usually not noteworthy, but when a celebrity is involved, that changes. Cheers, --Ian Eric,

At least part, and maybe all, of the phenomenon involving professional atheletes and car crashes can be attributed to reporting bias. Deadly accidents happen so often they are usually not noteworthy, but when a celebrity is involved, that changes.

Cheers,

--Ian

]]> By: Eric McClure http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/07/02/the-weekly-carnage-72/comment-page-1/#comment-77811 Eric McClure Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:06:53 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7651#comment-77811 It sure seems like professional athletes are involved in automobile-related fatalities at a rate waaaaay disproportionate to their population, doesn't it? @vnm, whomever coined <i>car</i>nage, presumably well before the automobile, did so with incredible foresight -- no need to rewrite your comment. It sure seems like professional athletes are involved in automobile-related fatalities at a rate waaaaay disproportionate to their population, doesn't it?

@vnm, whomever coined carnage, presumably well before the automobile, did so with incredible foresight -- no need to rewrite your comment.

]]> By: vnm http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/07/02/the-weekly-carnage-72/comment-page-1/#comment-77591 vnm Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:06:41 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7651#comment-77591 Well, yes. If I had a chance to write that comment over again, I would start it: "Motor vehicle carnage is so common . . . " Well, yes. If I had a chance to write that comment over again, I would start it: "Motor vehicle carnage is so common . . . "

]]> By: J-Uptown http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/07/02/the-weekly-carnage-72/comment-page-1/#comment-77571 J-Uptown Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:23:13 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7651#comment-77571 What you say is true, unless the carnage is uncommon or occurs on a large scale all at once. As a point of comparison: 2,974 people were killed in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. 45,800 people in the U.S. were killed in automobile collisions in 2005. The responses to the two tragedies couldn't be more different. What you say is true, unless the carnage is uncommon or occurs on a large scale all at once. As a point of comparison:

2,974 people were killed in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.
45,800 people in the U.S. were killed in automobile collisions in 2005.

The responses to the two tragedies couldn't be more different.

]]> By: vnm http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/07/02/the-weekly-carnage-72/comment-page-1/#comment-77381 vnm Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:59:15 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7651#comment-77381 Carnage is so routine in our society that sometimes it's not worth more than a couple of paragraphs in one paper and no coverage at all in others. The July 1 print edition of the Daily News carried a "NY Minute" two paragraph news brief about a 19-year-old driver in a 2003 Infinity being charged after he killed a 45-year-old man in Borough Park, Brooklyn, at 5:15 p.m. on Tuesday, June 30. Does anybody know anything else about this one? Carnage is so routine in our society that sometimes it's not worth more than a couple of paragraphs in one paper and no coverage at all in others. The July 1 print edition of the Daily News carried a "NY Minute" two paragraph news brief about a 19-year-old driver in a 2003 Infinity being charged after he killed a 45-year-old man in Borough Park, Brooklyn, at 5:15 p.m. on Tuesday, June 30. Does anybody know anything else about this one?

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