Comments on: Memo to Ray Kelly: How About Barriers for Pedestrians, Too? http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/30/memo-to-ray-kelly-how-about-barriers-for-pedestrians-too/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:01:47 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Ian Turner http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/30/memo-to-ray-kelly-how-about-barriers-for-pedestrians-too/comment-page-1/#comment-76421 Ian Turner Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:39:01 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7501#comment-76421 I always like my <a href="http://www.autofans.us/images/2007%20Frankfurt%20Auto%20Show/Carlsson%20Aigner%20CK65%20Eau%20Rouge%208.jpg" rel="nofollow">cars</A> in <a HREF="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rouge#Adjective" rel="nofollow">rouge</A>. I always like my cars in rouge.

]]> By: Paul http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/30/memo-to-ray-kelly-how-about-barriers-for-pedestrians-too/comment-page-1/#comment-76351 Paul Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:37:39 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7501#comment-76351 Here's to cutting the sidewalks in half and making every street a highway. Woo hoo! Here's to cutting the sidewalks in half and making every street a highway. Woo hoo!

]]> By: wooDave http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/30/memo-to-ray-kelly-how-about-barriers-for-pedestrians-too/comment-page-1/#comment-76331 wooDave Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:11:45 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7501#comment-76331 heads up on an accident you might want to investigate. i just heard a cop was chasing a bicycle down ave D in manhattan, hit the biker and then swerved into a group of bystanders, hitting 5 people including a toddler. this is all third hand info. can anybody confirm the details? heads up on an accident you might want to investigate. i just heard a cop was chasing a bicycle down ave D in manhattan, hit the biker and then swerved into a group of bystanders, hitting 5 people including a toddler. this is all third hand info. can anybody confirm the details?

]]> By: Omri http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/30/memo-to-ray-kelly-how-about-barriers-for-pedestrians-too/comment-page-1/#comment-76301 Omri Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:45:22 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7501#comment-76301 If your street is full of bollardy bike racks, drivers on your street will tend to be more carefull, and most likely you'll have to go without you or your bike getting run over. Sorry, but them's the breaks. If your street is full of bollardy bike racks, drivers on your street will tend to be more carefull, and most likely you'll have to go without you or your bike getting run over. Sorry, but them's the breaks.

]]> By: paco http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/30/memo-to-ray-kelly-how-about-barriers-for-pedestrians-too/comment-page-1/#comment-76291 paco Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:32:11 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7501#comment-76291 Not that I want bike racks getting run over by rouge cars, but I'd prefer my chained up bike gets destroyed rather than my body. If we blanket the city with strong, durable bike racks... they'll double as pedestrian protecting bollards too! Not that I want bike racks getting run over by rouge cars, but I'd prefer my chained up bike gets destroyed rather than my body. If we blanket the city with strong, durable bike racks... they'll double as pedestrian protecting bollards too!

]]> By: Moser http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/30/memo-to-ray-kelly-how-about-barriers-for-pedestrians-too/comment-page-1/#comment-76281 Moser Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:28:51 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7501#comment-76281 Most obscure transportation issue connection ever? Most obscure transportation issue connection ever?

]]> By: Vroomfondel http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/30/memo-to-ray-kelly-how-about-barriers-for-pedestrians-too/comment-page-1/#comment-76251 Vroomfondel Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:59:08 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7501#comment-76251 Ian, it does look like banks with security barriers are less attractive to robbers than those without, but that doesn't mean that there would be fewer robberies if all banks had security barriers. Besides, I agree agree with TD's claim that those barriers come with the risk of turning a robbery into a hostage situation. Ian, it does look like banks with security barriers are less attractive to robbers than those without, but that doesn't mean that there would be fewer robberies if all banks had security barriers. Besides, I agree agree with TD's claim that those barriers come with the risk of turning a robbery into a hostage situation.

]]> By: Vroomfondel http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/30/memo-to-ray-kelly-how-about-barriers-for-pedestrians-too/comment-page-1/#comment-76231 Vroomfondel Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:12:59 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7501#comment-76231 Great post! If all premature, violent deaths are equally bad, then road-raging drivers are a much bigger threat than gun-toting thugs. Unfortunately, this simple truth is counterintuitive to most people. Oh, and I don't think those 15,000 traffic-related injuries are much of a burden because the police hardly investigate them... Great post! If all premature, violent deaths are equally bad, then road-raging drivers are a much bigger threat than gun-toting thugs. Unfortunately, this simple truth is counterintuitive to most people.

Oh, and I don't think those 15,000 traffic-related injuries are much of a burden because the police hardly investigate them...

]]> By: Ian Turner http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/30/memo-to-ray-kelly-how-about-barriers-for-pedestrians-too/comment-page-1/#comment-76191 Ian Turner Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:59:46 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7501#comment-76191 Not disagreeing with the bollard issue, but if only 10% of banks lack security barriers, and those 10% are responsible for 53% of hold-ups, that is extremely strong evidence that the barriers are effective. Not disagreeing with the bollard issue, but if only 10% of banks lack security barriers, and those 10% are responsible for 53% of hold-ups, that is extremely strong evidence that the barriers are effective.

]]> By: Mark Walker http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/30/memo-to-ray-kelly-how-about-barriers-for-pedestrians-too/comment-page-1/#comment-76171 Mark Walker Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:50:47 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7501#comment-76171 Pedestrians need physical barriers with real car-stopping power, especially in hotspots where deaths have occurred. Drivers have airbags -- peds have no such protection. When I visited Madrid, I was struck not only by how many bollards there were, but by the variety. Pedestrians need physical barriers with real car-stopping power, especially in hotspots where deaths have occurred. Drivers have airbags -- peds have no such protection. When I visited Madrid, I was struck not only by how many bollards there were, but by the variety.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/30/memo-to-ray-kelly-how-about-barriers-for-pedestrians-too/comment-page-1/#comment-76161 Jonathan Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:49:37 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=7501#comment-76161 Excellent post, Brad. One question: I thought bank robbery was something the FBI handled. Why is the NYPD so involved? Excellent post, Brad. One question: I thought bank robbery was something the FBI handled. Why is the NYPD so involved?

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