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	<title>Comments on: Fare Hike Coverage: We Know the Effect, But What About the Cause?</title>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/29/fare-hike-coverage-we-know-the-effect-but-what-about-the-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-76601</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that ultimately Albany must be blamed for the lack of funds and support, sometimes the MTA asks for their PR problem. Telling everyone that the service cuts won&#039;t be noticeable because they&#039;ve already been in effect isn&#039;t exactly what I call quelling the flames.

I get it, they didn&#039;t have enough time to switch the machines to logical card increments because of how late Albany acted. You could still take some basic measures to remind people of what&#039;s going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that ultimately Albany must be blamed for the lack of funds and support, sometimes the MTA asks for their PR problem. Telling everyone that the service cuts won't be noticeable because they've already been in effect isn't exactly what I call quelling the flames.</p>
<p>I get it, they didn't have enough time to switch the machines to logical card increments because of how late Albany acted. You could still take some basic measures to remind people of what's going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>al oof,

The MTA advertising program is run by a contractor, who bids out the space for whatever advertisers will pay and takes care of actually changing the ads. If you look at the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://mta.info/mta/investor/pdf/2009/NYCTA%20FY2008_Signed%20Report.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NYCT financial statements for 2008&lt;/A&gt;, you will see that advertising brought in roughly $108m, or 3% of operating revenues, or 1% of operating expenses. These numbers are pretty typical for transit agencies. by the way.

--Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>al oof,</p>
<p>The MTA advertising program is run by a contractor, who bids out the space for whatever advertisers will pay and takes care of actually changing the ads. If you look at the <a HREF="http://mta.info/mta/investor/pdf/2009/NYCTA%20FY2008_Signed%20Report.pdf" rel="nofollow">NYCT financial statements for 2008</a>, you will see that advertising brought in roughly $108m, or 3% of operating revenues, or 1% of operating expenses. These numbers are pretty typical for transit agencies. by the way.</p>
<p>--Ian</p>
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		<title>By: al oof</title>
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		<dc:creator>al oof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t ride the subway much, but today i noticed there were ads on the -turnstiles- at union square.  how much do they charge for that?  i&#039;ve always wondered about the ad prices and how much that pays for the trains.  and how often they raise those costs.  anyone know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don't ride the subway much, but today i noticed there were ads on the -turnstiles- at union square.  how much do they charge for that?  i've always wondered about the ad prices and how much that pays for the trains.  and how often they raise those costs.  anyone know?</p>
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		<title>By: lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why do you want to get a new card each time anyway? 

just refill it and save a bit of plastic too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why do you want to get a new card each time anyway? </p>
<p>just refill it and save a bit of plastic too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks everybody!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everybody!</p>
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		<title>By: vnm</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.  Thanks Steven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.  Thanks Steven.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VNM:

58.70 * .15 = 8.805
 
That rounds up to $8.81 which gives you an extra penny.

(I&#039;ve tested the machines before on half cent bonuses and found that it does round up; if you find otherwise, please take a picture.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VNM:</p>
<p>58.70 * .15 = 8.805</p>
<p>That rounds up to $8.81 which gives you an extra penny.</p>
<p>(I've tested the machines before on half cent bonuses and found that it does round up; if you find otherwise, please take a picture.)</p>
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		<title>By: vnm</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark Walker said: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Since I always have two cards -- because I don&#039;t want to get caught out on the bus, where you can&#039;t buy a card -- this means I may be carrying as much as $90 in fares in my wallet (up from $80 under the last fare). I wish there were a way to get that number down.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is, as Ian noted. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mta.info/metrocard/EasyPayXpress.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EasyPayXpress&lt;/a&gt;. It is by far the best kind of MetroCard. You will never have more than $40 on your person, you will never have to worry about getting caught empty-handed on a bus, you will never have to visit a vending machine. (You&#039;ll also never have to calculate how much money to put on to get an even discount.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark Walker said: </p>
<blockquote><p>Since I always have two cards -- because I don't want to get caught out on the bus, where you can't buy a card -- this means I may be carrying as much as $90 in fares in my wallet (up from $80 under the last fare). I wish there were a way to get that number down.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is, as Ian noted. <a href="http://www.mta.info/metrocard/EasyPayXpress.htm" rel="nofollow">EasyPayXpress</a>. It is by far the best kind of MetroCard. You will never have more than $40 on your person, you will never have to worry about getting caught empty-handed on a bus, you will never have to visit a vending machine. (You'll also never have to calculate how much money to put on to get an even discount.)</p>
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		<title>By: vnm</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I think your website forgot one:

Add $58.70 to $0.00 for a bonus of $8.80 and a total of $67.50 or 30 rides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I think your website forgot one:</p>
<p>Add $58.70 to $0.00 for a bonus of $8.80 and a total of $67.50 or 30 rides.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, you don&#039;t have to put the whole $45 on at once.  You could put $20 on each of two cards and then after a while add $25 more to get them &quot;back on track&quot;.

Of course, with Albany starving the MTA for cash, it might be a good idea to throw them some spare change now and again, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, you don't have to put the whole $45 on at once.  You could put $20 on each of two cards and then after a while add $25 more to get them "back on track".</p>
<p>Of course, with Albany starving the MTA for cash, it might be a good idea to throw them some spare change now and again, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhywun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhywun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;To have a fare increase every year, year and a half - that’s the part that’s frustrating.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Someone should tell these people to look up &quot;inflation&quot; in a dictionary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>"To have a fare increase every year, year and a half - that’s the part that’s frustrating."</p></blockquote>
<p>Someone should tell these people to look up "inflation" in a dictionary.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. And in any case, what matters is that the total (outlay and bonus) is divisible by $2.25. As I said, I&#039;d be the world&#039;s worst accountant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. And in any case, what matters is that the total (outlay and bonus) is divisible by $2.25. As I said, I'd be the world's worst accountant.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Kabak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Kabak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark: They&#039;re rounding up. $15.65 will get you an extra $2.35. The machines can&#039;t handle not rounding up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: They're rounding up. $15.65 will get you an extra $2.35. The machines can't handle not rounding up.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless my calculator deceives me, 15% of $15.65 is not $2.35, but $2.3475. That is not quite a full ride, unless we can safely assume that the MTA rounds up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless my calculator deceives me, 15% of $15.65 is not $2.35, but $2.3475. That is not quite a full ride, unless we can safely assume that the MTA rounds up.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;None of the other bonus values given by the calculator is precisely divisible by $2.25.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How do you figure? 15.65 + 2.35 = 18, which is 2.25 x 8.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I wish there were a way to get that number down.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, there is always &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.mta.info/metrocard/EasyPayXpress.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EasyPayXpress&lt;/A&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>None of the other bonus values given by the calculator is precisely divisible by $2.25.</p></blockquote>
<p>How do you figure? 15.65 + 2.35 = 18, which is 2.25 x 8.</p>
<blockquote><p>I wish there were a way to get that number down.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, there is always <a HREF="http://www.mta.info/metrocard/EasyPayXpress.htm" rel="nofollow">EasyPayXpress</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ian.

I tried the online calculator. With a &quot;starting balance&quot; of $0 and a &quot;maximum to add&quot; of $80 (the most MTA allows), I got these results:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Add $15.65 to $0.00 for a bonus of $2.35
and a total of $18.00.

Add $29.35 to $0.00 for a bonus of $4.40
and a total of $33.75.

Add $31.30 to $0.00 for a bonus of $4.70
and a total of $36.00.

Add $45.00 to $0.00 for a bonus of $6.75
and a total of $51.75.

Add $60.65 to $0.00 for a bonus of $9.10
and a total of $69.75.

Add $74.35 to $0.00 for a bonus of $11.15
and a total of $85.50.

Add $76.30 to $0.00 for a bonus of $11.45
and a total of $87.75.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It looks like the answer is to pay $45, get a 15% bonus of $6.75 (three fares), total value $51.75.

None of the other bonus values given by the calculator is precisely divisible by $2.25.

Since I always have two cards -- because I don&#039;t want to get caught out on the bus, where you can&#039;t buy a card -- this means I may be carrying as much as $90 in fares in my wallet (up from $80 under the last fare). I wish there were a way to get that number down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ian.</p>
<p>I tried the online calculator. With a "starting balance" of $0 and a "maximum to add" of $80 (the most MTA allows), I got these results:</p>
<blockquote><p>Add $15.65 to $0.00 for a bonus of $2.35<br />
and a total of $18.00.</p>
<p>Add $29.35 to $0.00 for a bonus of $4.40<br />
and a total of $33.75.</p>
<p>Add $31.30 to $0.00 for a bonus of $4.70<br />
and a total of $36.00.</p>
<p>Add $45.00 to $0.00 for a bonus of $6.75<br />
and a total of $51.75.</p>
<p>Add $60.65 to $0.00 for a bonus of $9.10<br />
and a total of $69.75.</p>
<p>Add $74.35 to $0.00 for a bonus of $11.15<br />
and a total of $85.50.</p>
<p>Add $76.30 to $0.00 for a bonus of $11.45<br />
and a total of $87.75.</p></blockquote>
<p>It looks like the answer is to pay $45, get a 15% bonus of $6.75 (three fares), total value $51.75.</p>
<p>None of the other bonus values given by the calculator is precisely divisible by $2.25.</p>
<p>Since I always have two cards -- because I don't want to get caught out on the bus, where you can't buy a card -- this means I may be carrying as much as $90 in fares in my wallet (up from $80 under the last fare). I wish there were a way to get that number down.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Epstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Epstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The smallest round number to add which will give you an even multiple of $2.25 is now $45.00.  But use AirTrain or PATH and all bets are off.

I personally try to just refill a single card and not worry about any odd amounts on it, because they&#039;ll stay there after the next refill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The smallest round number to add which will give you an even multiple of $2.25 is now $45.00.  But use AirTrain or PATH and all bets are off.</p>
<p>I personally try to just refill a single card and not worry about any odd amounts on it, because they'll stay there after the next refill.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Use the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.metrocardbonuscalculator.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MetroCard Bonus Calculator&lt;/A&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Use the <a HREF="http://www.metrocardbonuscalculator.com/" rel="nofollow">MetroCard Bonus Calculator</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: threecee</title>
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		<dc:creator>threecee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, almost literally giving away their assets (Vanderbilt rail yard) to Forest City Ratner doesn&#039;t help the MTA&#039;s bottom line, either:

http://atlanticyardsreport.blogspot.com/2009/06/mta-approves-deal-10-2-despite-warnings.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, almost literally giving away their assets (Vanderbilt rail yard) to Forest City Ratner doesn't help the MTA's bottom line, either:</p>
<p><a href="http://atlanticyardsreport.blogspot.com/2009/06/mta-approves-deal-10-2-despite-warnings.html" rel="nofollow">http://atlanticyardsreport.blogspot.com/2009/06/mta-approves-deal-10-2-despite-warnings.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: oscarfrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>oscarfrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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