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	<title>Comments on: Fare Hike Coverage: We Know the Effect, But What About the Cause?</title>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/29/fare-hike-coverage-we-know-the-effect-but-what-about-the-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-179311</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 00:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey

I found that http://www.nycmetrocardcalculator.com is another good site for figuring out how to even up an odd metrocard balance.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey</p>
<p>I found that <a href="http://www.nycmetrocardcalculator.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nycmetrocardcalculator.com</a> is another good site for figuring out how to even up an odd metrocard balance.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that ultimately Albany must be blamed for the lack of funds and support, sometimes the MTA asks for their PR problem. Telling everyone that the service cuts won&#039;t be noticeable because they&#039;ve already been in effect isn&#039;t exactly what I call quelling the flames.

I get it, they didn&#039;t have enough time to switch the machines to logical card increments because of how late Albany acted. You could still take some basic measures to remind people of what&#039;s going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that ultimately Albany must be blamed for the lack of funds and support, sometimes the MTA asks for their PR problem. Telling everyone that the service cuts won&#8217;t be noticeable because they&#8217;ve already been in effect isn&#8217;t exactly what I call quelling the flames.</p>
<p>I get it, they didn&#8217;t have enough time to switch the machines to logical card increments because of how late Albany acted. You could still take some basic measures to remind people of what&#8217;s going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>al oof,

The MTA advertising program is run by a contractor, who bids out the space for whatever advertisers will pay and takes care of actually changing the ads. If you look at the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://mta.info/mta/investor/pdf/2009/NYCTA%20FY2008_Signed%20Report.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NYCT financial statements for 2008&lt;/A&gt;, you will see that advertising brought in roughly $108m, or 3% of operating revenues, or 1% of operating expenses. These numbers are pretty typical for transit agencies. by the way.

--Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>al oof,</p>
<p>The MTA advertising program is run by a contractor, who bids out the space for whatever advertisers will pay and takes care of actually changing the ads. If you look at the <a HREF="http://mta.info/mta/investor/pdf/2009/NYCTA%20FY2008_Signed%20Report.pdf" rel="nofollow">NYCT financial statements for 2008</a>, you will see that advertising brought in roughly $108m, or 3% of operating revenues, or 1% of operating expenses. These numbers are pretty typical for transit agencies. by the way.</p>
<p>&#8211;Ian</p>
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		<title>By: al oof</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/29/fare-hike-coverage-we-know-the-effect-but-what-about-the-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-76461</link>
		<dc:creator>al oof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t ride the subway much, but today i noticed there were ads on the -turnstiles- at union square.  how much do they charge for that?  i&#039;ve always wondered about the ad prices and how much that pays for the trains.  and how often they raise those costs.  anyone know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t ride the subway much, but today i noticed there were ads on the -turnstiles- at union square.  how much do they charge for that?  i&#8217;ve always wondered about the ad prices and how much that pays for the trains.  and how often they raise those costs.  anyone know?</p>
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		<title>By: lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why do you want to get a new card each time anyway? 

just refill it and save a bit of plastic too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why do you want to get a new card each time anyway? </p>
<p>just refill it and save a bit of plastic too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks everybody!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everybody!</p>
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		<title>By: vnm</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.  Thanks Steven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.  Thanks Steven.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VNM:

58.70 * .15 = 8.805
 
That rounds up to $8.81 which gives you an extra penny.

(I&#039;ve tested the machines before on half cent bonuses and found that it does round up; if you find otherwise, please take a picture.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VNM:</p>
<p>58.70 * .15 = 8.805</p>
<p>That rounds up to $8.81 which gives you an extra penny.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ve tested the machines before on half cent bonuses and found that it does round up; if you find otherwise, please take a picture.)</p>
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		<title>By: vnm</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark Walker said: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Since I always have two cards -- because I don&#039;t want to get caught out on the bus, where you can&#039;t buy a card -- this means I may be carrying as much as $90 in fares in my wallet (up from $80 under the last fare). I wish there were a way to get that number down.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is, as Ian noted. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mta.info/metrocard/EasyPayXpress.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EasyPayXpress&lt;/a&gt;. It is by far the best kind of MetroCard. You will never have more than $40 on your person, you will never have to worry about getting caught empty-handed on a bus, you will never have to visit a vending machine. (You&#039;ll also never have to calculate how much money to put on to get an even discount.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark Walker said: </p>
<blockquote><p>Since I always have two cards &#8212; because I don&#8217;t want to get caught out on the bus, where you can&#8217;t buy a card &#8212; this means I may be carrying as much as $90 in fares in my wallet (up from $80 under the last fare). I wish there were a way to get that number down.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is, as Ian noted. <a href="http://www.mta.info/metrocard/EasyPayXpress.htm" rel="nofollow">EasyPayXpress</a>. It is by far the best kind of MetroCard. You will never have more than $40 on your person, you will never have to worry about getting caught empty-handed on a bus, you will never have to visit a vending machine. (You&#8217;ll also never have to calculate how much money to put on to get an even discount.)</p>
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		<title>By: vnm</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I think your website forgot one:

Add $58.70 to $0.00 for a bonus of $8.80 and a total of $67.50 or 30 rides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I think your website forgot one:</p>
<p>Add $58.70 to $0.00 for a bonus of $8.80 and a total of $67.50 or 30 rides.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, you don&#039;t have to put the whole $45 on at once.  You could put $20 on each of two cards and then after a while add $25 more to get them &quot;back on track&quot;.

Of course, with Albany starving the MTA for cash, it might be a good idea to throw them some spare change now and again, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, you don&#8217;t have to put the whole $45 on at once.  You could put $20 on each of two cards and then after a while add $25 more to get them &#8220;back on track&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course, with Albany starving the MTA for cash, it might be a good idea to throw them some spare change now and again, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhywun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhywun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;To have a fare increase every year, year and a half - that’s the part that’s frustrating.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Someone should tell these people to look up &quot;inflation&quot; in a dictionary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;To have a fare increase every year, year and a half &#8211; that’s the part that’s frustrating.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Someone should tell these people to look up &#8220;inflation&#8221; in a dictionary.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/29/fare-hike-coverage-we-know-the-effect-but-what-about-the-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-75651</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right. And in any case, what matters is that the total (outlay and bonus) is divisible by $2.25. As I said, I&#039;d be the world&#039;s worst accountant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. And in any case, what matters is that the total (outlay and bonus) is divisible by $2.25. As I said, I&#8217;d be the world&#8217;s worst accountant.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Kabak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Kabak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark: They&#039;re rounding up. $15.65 will get you an extra $2.35. The machines can&#039;t handle not rounding up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: They&#8217;re rounding up. $15.65 will get you an extra $2.35. The machines can&#8217;t handle not rounding up.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless my calculator deceives me, 15% of $15.65 is not $2.35, but $2.3475. That is not quite a full ride, unless we can safely assume that the MTA rounds up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless my calculator deceives me, 15% of $15.65 is not $2.35, but $2.3475. That is not quite a full ride, unless we can safely assume that the MTA rounds up.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;None of the other bonus values given by the calculator is precisely divisible by $2.25.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How do you figure? 15.65 + 2.35 = 18, which is 2.25 x 8.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I wish there were a way to get that number down.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, there is always &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.mta.info/metrocard/EasyPayXpress.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;EasyPayXpress&lt;/A&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>None of the other bonus values given by the calculator is precisely divisible by $2.25.</p></blockquote>
<p>How do you figure? 15.65 + 2.35 = 18, which is 2.25 x 8.</p>
<blockquote><p>I wish there were a way to get that number down.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, there is always <a HREF="http://www.mta.info/metrocard/EasyPayXpress.htm" rel="nofollow">EasyPayXpress</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ian.

I tried the online calculator. With a &quot;starting balance&quot; of $0 and a &quot;maximum to add&quot; of $80 (the most MTA allows), I got these results:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Add $15.65 to $0.00 for a bonus of $2.35
and a total of $18.00.

Add $29.35 to $0.00 for a bonus of $4.40
and a total of $33.75.

Add $31.30 to $0.00 for a bonus of $4.70
and a total of $36.00.

Add $45.00 to $0.00 for a bonus of $6.75
and a total of $51.75.

Add $60.65 to $0.00 for a bonus of $9.10
and a total of $69.75.

Add $74.35 to $0.00 for a bonus of $11.15
and a total of $85.50.

Add $76.30 to $0.00 for a bonus of $11.45
and a total of $87.75.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It looks like the answer is to pay $45, get a 15% bonus of $6.75 (three fares), total value $51.75.

None of the other bonus values given by the calculator is precisely divisible by $2.25.

Since I always have two cards -- because I don&#039;t want to get caught out on the bus, where you can&#039;t buy a card -- this means I may be carrying as much as $90 in fares in my wallet (up from $80 under the last fare). I wish there were a way to get that number down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ian.</p>
<p>I tried the online calculator. With a &#8220;starting balance&#8221; of $0 and a &#8220;maximum to add&#8221; of $80 (the most MTA allows), I got these results:</p>
<blockquote><p>Add $15.65 to $0.00 for a bonus of $2.35<br />
and a total of $18.00.</p>
<p>Add $29.35 to $0.00 for a bonus of $4.40<br />
and a total of $33.75.</p>
<p>Add $31.30 to $0.00 for a bonus of $4.70<br />
and a total of $36.00.</p>
<p>Add $45.00 to $0.00 for a bonus of $6.75<br />
and a total of $51.75.</p>
<p>Add $60.65 to $0.00 for a bonus of $9.10<br />
and a total of $69.75.</p>
<p>Add $74.35 to $0.00 for a bonus of $11.15<br />
and a total of $85.50.</p>
<p>Add $76.30 to $0.00 for a bonus of $11.45<br />
and a total of $87.75.</p></blockquote>
<p>It looks like the answer is to pay $45, get a 15% bonus of $6.75 (three fares), total value $51.75.</p>
<p>None of the other bonus values given by the calculator is precisely divisible by $2.25.</p>
<p>Since I always have two cards &#8212; because I don&#8217;t want to get caught out on the bus, where you can&#8217;t buy a card &#8212; this means I may be carrying as much as $90 in fares in my wallet (up from $80 under the last fare). I wish there were a way to get that number down.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Epstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Epstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The smallest round number to add which will give you an even multiple of $2.25 is now $45.00.  But use AirTrain or PATH and all bets are off.

I personally try to just refill a single card and not worry about any odd amounts on it, because they&#039;ll stay there after the next refill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The smallest round number to add which will give you an even multiple of $2.25 is now $45.00.  But use AirTrain or PATH and all bets are off.</p>
<p>I personally try to just refill a single card and not worry about any odd amounts on it, because they&#8217;ll stay there after the next refill.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Use the &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.metrocardbonuscalculator.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MetroCard Bonus Calculator&lt;/A&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Use the <a HREF="http://www.metrocardbonuscalculator.com/" rel="nofollow">MetroCard Bonus Calculator</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: threecee</title>
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		<dc:creator>threecee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, almost literally giving away their assets (Vanderbilt rail yard) to Forest City Ratner doesn&#039;t help the MTA&#039;s bottom line, either:

http://atlanticyardsreport.blogspot.com/2009/06/mta-approves-deal-10-2-despite-warnings.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, almost literally giving away their assets (Vanderbilt rail yard) to Forest City Ratner doesn&#8217;t help the MTA&#8217;s bottom line, either:</p>
<p><a href="http://atlanticyardsreport.blogspot.com/2009/06/mta-approves-deal-10-2-despite-warnings.html" rel="nofollow">http://atlanticyardsreport.blogspot.com/2009/06/mta-approves-deal-10-2-despite-warnings.html</a></p>
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