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	<title>Comments on: Do Pedicabs Belong in Bike Lanes?</title>
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		<title>By: Ian Dutton</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/18/do-pedicabs-belong-in-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-71601</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Dutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spike seems to give some great justifications for banning taxis and other non-essential vehicles from Midtown - they reverse the green benefits of pedicabs and endanger the safety of those utilizing them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spike seems to give some great justifications for banning taxis and other non-essential vehicles from Midtown - they reverse the green benefits of pedicabs and endanger the safety of those utilizing them!</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/18/do-pedicabs-belong-in-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-71481</link>
		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be the first to admit I&#039;ve never ridden in a pedicab and I would not be surprised if spike&#039;s characterization (&quot;dangerous carnival ride on the city streets&quot;) is often, if not always, true.  I don&#039;t need some guy who just moved to New York to give me misinformation about the city at a dollar a minute.  But the tourists undeniably love pedicabs, and they seem to have given rise to surprisingly few serious injuries.  

And I disagree that pedicabs cause motorists to use more gas.  Vehicles conserve gas when cruising at a single speed, and waste it when they brake and accelerate.  The main culprits behind incrementally greater gas use and pollution are not the small number of pedicabs, but overall congestion (stop-and-go) and aggressive motoring styles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll be the first to admit I've never ridden in a pedicab and I would not be surprised if spike's characterization ("dangerous carnival ride on the city streets") is often, if not always, true.  I don't need some guy who just moved to New York to give me misinformation about the city at a dollar a minute.  But the tourists undeniably love pedicabs, and they seem to have given rise to surprisingly few serious injuries.  </p>
<p>And I disagree that pedicabs cause motorists to use more gas.  Vehicles conserve gas when cruising at a single speed, and waste it when they brake and accelerate.  The main culprits behind incrementally greater gas use and pollution are not the small number of pedicabs, but overall congestion (stop-and-go) and aggressive motoring styles.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spike, you seem to be making a big value judgment:  only vehicles that meet some sort of established passenger safety standards are deserving of NYC street space.  Now that doesn&#039;t sound crazy, but it&#039;s at the center of your problem with pedicabs and I think you&#039;re wrong.  City streets are not highways.  In my opinion, they should be used differently from highways, and people should not expect them to conduct traffic the same way highways do, and so there should be room for vehicles that are not reinforced with millions of dollars of engineering to protect passengers.  Indeed there have been very few injuries to passengers in NYC pedicabs at all.

Also, I have real doubts about your claims that pedicabs are no greener and that they impede traffic in a way that makes cars burn more fuel.  Yes, I&#039;ll grant you that for moments at a time, clusters of them can hold up a few individual limos in the theater district around curtain times, but I honestly doubt that that, or any effect like it, causes more emissions than usual car congestion does.  The fact that I have been a passenger in a pedicab in NYC a couple of times does not give me authority to disprove those claims of yours, but those claims sound like you don&#039;t have data to prove them either.

Incidentally I&#039;m with you on banning horse-drawn carriages, but only because I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a humane life for the horses!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spike, you seem to be making a big value judgment:  only vehicles that meet some sort of established passenger safety standards are deserving of NYC street space.  Now that doesn't sound crazy, but it's at the center of your problem with pedicabs and I think you're wrong.  City streets are not highways.  In my opinion, they should be used differently from highways, and people should not expect them to conduct traffic the same way highways do, and so there should be room for vehicles that are not reinforced with millions of dollars of engineering to protect passengers.  Indeed there have been very few injuries to passengers in NYC pedicabs at all.</p>
<p>Also, I have real doubts about your claims that pedicabs are no greener and that they impede traffic in a way that makes cars burn more fuel.  Yes, I'll grant you that for moments at a time, clusters of them can hold up a few individual limos in the theater district around curtain times, but I honestly doubt that that, or any effect like it, causes more emissions than usual car congestion does.  The fact that I have been a passenger in a pedicab in NYC a couple of times does not give me authority to disprove those claims of yours, but those claims sound like you don't have data to prove them either.</p>
<p>Incidentally I'm with you on banning horse-drawn carriages, but only because I don't think it's a humane life for the horses!</p>
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		<title>By: spike</title>
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		<dc:creator>spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am well aware how dangerous riding a bicycle is in NYC. The drivers are nuts. I have had several friends badly hurt on bicycles in the last year in NYC. The problem with pedicabs and horse drawn carriages is the passenger is utterly unprotected in any crash and they are slow and hard to navigate. These vehicles are no cheaper than a cab. They are no greener than a cab because they impede traffic so much that all the vehicles use more fuel. I&#039;d be curious how many people at this web site have actually ridden in a pedicab in NYC. They are little more than a dangerous carnival ride on the city streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am well aware how dangerous riding a bicycle is in NYC. The drivers are nuts. I have had several friends badly hurt on bicycles in the last year in NYC. The problem with pedicabs and horse drawn carriages is the passenger is utterly unprotected in any crash and they are slow and hard to navigate. These vehicles are no cheaper than a cab. They are no greener than a cab because they impede traffic so much that all the vehicles use more fuel. I'd be curious how many people at this web site have actually ridden in a pedicab in NYC. They are little more than a dangerous carnival ride on the city streets.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think pedicabs will do more for overall street safety and traffic calming if they&#039;re in the car lanes.  

Put pedicabs in bike lanes and they&#039;re &quot;out of my way,&quot; thinks the entitled-feeling driver, which is what he also thinks about bicyclists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think pedicabs will do more for overall street safety and traffic calming if they're in the car lanes.  </p>
<p>Put pedicabs in bike lanes and they're "out of my way," thinks the entitled-feeling driver, which is what he also thinks about bicyclists.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Dutton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Dutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I meant to add:

I said: &quot;And as a cyclist, once in a while you can&#039;t slow down for a little while - seconds? - until there&#039;s a safe place to pass a slower-traveling pedicab? Are you really *that* important?&quot;

That&#039;s exactly the attitude of drivers in NYC who honk endlessly when they have to pause for a second, say, when someone is hopping out of a cab or an ambulance is scraping up the previous driver&#039;s roadkill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I meant to add:</p>
<p>I said: "And as a cyclist, once in a while you can't slow down for a little while - seconds? - until there's a safe place to pass a slower-traveling pedicab? Are you really *that* important?"</p>
<p>That's exactly the attitude of drivers in NYC who honk endlessly when they have to pause for a second, say, when someone is hopping out of a cab or an ambulance is scraping up the previous driver's roadkill.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Dutton</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/18/do-pedicabs-belong-in-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-71101</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Dutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of your (plural, folks) arguments against pedicabs in bike lanes are as specious as the arguments that are constantly waged against all bike lanes: as long as &quot;all&quot; bikes ride illegally, they don&#039;t deserve safety.

Do I believe that pedicabs operating dangerously and carelessly are a problem? Yes! Do I believe that cyclists riding (at anything less than snail&#039;s-pace) in the wrong direction or blowing through lights and disregarding pedestrian (and other vehicle) priority put myself as a cyclist and pedestrian at risk? Yes! 

Do I think that therefore we should make the city less-safe for those who are being responsible? Can you answer that yourself?

And as a cyclist, once in a while you can&#039;t slow down for a little while - seconds? - until there&#039;s a safe place to pass a slower-traveling pedicab? Are you really *that* important?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of your (plural, folks) arguments against pedicabs in bike lanes are as specious as the arguments that are constantly waged against all bike lanes: as long as "all" bikes ride illegally, they don't deserve safety.</p>
<p>Do I believe that pedicabs operating dangerously and carelessly are a problem? Yes! Do I believe that cyclists riding (at anything less than snail's-pace) in the wrong direction or blowing through lights and disregarding pedestrian (and other vehicle) priority put myself as a cyclist and pedestrian at risk? Yes! </p>
<p>Do I think that therefore we should make the city less-safe for those who are being responsible? Can you answer that yourself?</p>
<p>And as a cyclist, once in a while you can't slow down for a little while - seconds? - until there's a safe place to pass a slower-traveling pedicab? Are you really *that* important?</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Liam and Sam:  I would allow pedicabs in bike lanes, provided they stop riding counterflow, parking or stopping suddenly for fares in the bike lane.  Once there are some kind of reasonable regulations implmeneted for pedicabs operators should be trained on these points.  In the meanwhile, bicyclists should try to educate pedicab operators on this whenever the opportunity presents itself; I find that most of them will listen (much more so any taxicab operators I have tried to educate).  If these problems are eliminated, pedicabs in the bike lanes make traffic safer and cleaner by adding to the bike traffic and to modal shift, while adding jobs and revenue to the &quot;bicycling economy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm with Liam and Sam:  I would allow pedicabs in bike lanes, provided they stop riding counterflow, parking or stopping suddenly for fares in the bike lane.  Once there are some kind of reasonable regulations implmeneted for pedicabs operators should be trained on these points.  In the meanwhile, bicyclists should try to educate pedicab operators on this whenever the opportunity presents itself; I find that most of them will listen (much more so any taxicab operators I have tried to educate).  If these problems are eliminated, pedicabs in the bike lanes make traffic safer and cleaner by adding to the bike traffic and to modal shift, while adding jobs and revenue to the "bicycling economy."</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an example of why I don&#039;t think pedicabs belong in bike lanes:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10798592@N08/3641776465/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's an example of why I don't think pedicabs belong in bike lanes:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/10798592@N08/3641776465/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/10798592@N08/3641776465/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I definitely sympathize with Tourguide Stan about one point in particular:  tourists are vulnerable in the backs of the pedicabs, just like the rest of us non-tourists are vulnerable on our &#039;normal&#039; bikes and even walking around.  The real solution, of course, is to slow traffic down so that traffic crashes don&#039;t kill so many people, on or off wheels.  

When cautious driving is the norm, it&#039;s easier and safer for autos to go around a pedicab (yes, maybe even passing in the bike lane) than it is for bikes to go around pedicabs, entering the lanes of faster traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I definitely sympathize with Tourguide Stan about one point in particular:  tourists are vulnerable in the backs of the pedicabs, just like the rest of us non-tourists are vulnerable on our 'normal' bikes and even walking around.  The real solution, of course, is to slow traffic down so that traffic crashes don't kill so many people, on or off wheels.  </p>
<p>When cautious driving is the norm, it's easier and safer for autos to go around a pedicab (yes, maybe even passing in the bike lane) than it is for bikes to go around pedicabs, entering the lanes of faster traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compared to the stopped cars and trucks, pedicabs in the bike lane are no problem at all.  If the bike lane were wider (5&#039; is standard here, although some are narrower), there would be even less of an issue.  But it seems that engineering in this city is done to the standards - meaning no better than the standard... at least that&#039;s been my overwhelming experience, working on city projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compared to the stopped cars and trucks, pedicabs in the bike lane are no problem at all.  If the bike lane were wider (5' is standard here, although some are narrower), there would be even less of an issue.  But it seems that engineering in this city is done to the standards - meaning no better than the standard... at least that's been my overwhelming experience, working on city projects.</p>
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		<title>By: TourguideStan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/18/do-pedicabs-belong-in-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-70441</link>
		<dc:creator>TourguideStan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most pedicabs are Main Street Pedicabs from Broomfield CO.  They are exactly 48 inches wide and fit nicely in bike lanes.  

I own one and really want that margin of safety!

The current law bans us from bike lanes.  But that same law bans us from other boroughs, bridges, even Midtown at Christmastime!  I have long suspected that the bike-lane ban and all the other restrictions were written into the law simply to make it impossible to make a living driving a pedicab.  The bike-lane ban, specifically, would not only annoy the hell out of motorists stuck behind me, but would have cops fine me up to $2000 and a night in jail for giving my passengers the safety that they deserve.  
TourguideStan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most pedicabs are Main Street Pedicabs from Broomfield CO.  They are exactly 48 inches wide and fit nicely in bike lanes.  </p>
<p>I own one and really want that margin of safety!</p>
<p>The current law bans us from bike lanes.  But that same law bans us from other boroughs, bridges, even Midtown at Christmastime!  I have long suspected that the bike-lane ban and all the other restrictions were written into the law simply to make it impossible to make a living driving a pedicab.  The bike-lane ban, specifically, would not only annoy the hell out of motorists stuck behind me, but would have cops fine me up to $2000 and a night in jail for giving my passengers the safety that they deserve.<br />
TourguideStan</p>
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		<title>By: Streetsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Streetsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what most of these problems center around is that there are not enough bikes in the bike lanes. If there was a steady flow, peds would not be walking in them, and pedicabs wouldn&#039;t be going the wrong. We just need to be patient and get the number of cyclists on the road to increase and the lanes will start to function better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what most of these problems center around is that there are not enough bikes in the bike lanes. If there was a steady flow, peds would not be walking in them, and pedicabs wouldn't be going the wrong. We just need to be patient and get the number of cyclists on the road to increase and the lanes will start to function better.</p>
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		<title>By: Meech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem with pedicabs in the bike lanes. I DO have a problem with bike lanes being used by pedestrians, delivery carts, double-parked cars and cop cars.

You observe all the above on 8th Avenue, any day of the week. Last night at rush hour, there were more walkers in the bike lane than on the sidewalk -- no exaggeration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with pedicabs in the bike lanes. I DO have a problem with bike lanes being used by pedestrians, delivery carts, double-parked cars and cop cars.</p>
<p>You observe all the above on 8th Avenue, any day of the week. Last night at rush hour, there were more walkers in the bike lane than on the sidewalk -- no exaggeration.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric McClure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric McClure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Julie,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Imagine a fare&#039;s response when they were told they couldn&#039;t turn into a bike lane because it&#039;s against traffic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Most taxi passenges are cool, I assume, when cabbies refuse to drive the wrong way on one-way streets, so a pedicab&#039;s sticking to the prescribed bike-lane direction ought not raise too much ire.

Obeying the rules is the price of entry, in my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Julie,</p>
<blockquote><p>Imagine a fare's response when they were told they couldn't turn into a bike lane because it's against traffic.</p></blockquote>
<p>Most taxi passenges are cool, I assume, when cabbies refuse to drive the wrong way on one-way streets, so a pedicab's sticking to the prescribed bike-lane direction ought not raise too much ire.</p>
<p>Obeying the rules is the price of entry, in my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mind pedicabs in the (wide) bike lanes if they&#039;re ferrying passengers and traveling in the right direction, but they should be prohibited from trolling for passengers by camping out and/or pacing back and forth in the lanes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't mind pedicabs in the (wide) bike lanes if they're ferrying passengers and traveling in the right direction, but they should be prohibited from trolling for passengers by camping out and/or pacing back and forth in the lanes.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cap&#039;n Transit
Sorry. My previous statement about bridges wasn&#039;t entirely accurate. According to the official release Pedicabs won&#039;t be allowed to carry passengers on bridges or in tunnels. 

The same day as the Williamsburg Bridge pedicab crash the Daily News ran a story about a confused pedicab driver who was ticketed for using the Holland Tunnel. So I guess, regardless of NYC laws, using POrt Authority tunnels is also a no-no.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/06/11/2009-06-11_confused_pedicab_arrested_to_pedaling_way_into_lincoln_tunnel.html

Last summer, when the temperature was 90+ and it was too hot for carriage horses to work, I saw flatbed trucks dropping off dozens of pedicabs on Central Park South. Obviously where there&#039;s a will (and a few bucks to be made)  there&#039;s a way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cap'n Transit<br />
Sorry. My previous statement about bridges wasn't entirely accurate. According to the official release Pedicabs won't be allowed to carry passengers on bridges or in tunnels. </p>
<p>The same day as the Williamsburg Bridge pedicab crash the Daily News ran a story about a confused pedicab driver who was ticketed for using the Holland Tunnel. So I guess, regardless of NYC laws, using POrt Authority tunnels is also a no-no.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/06/11/2009-06-11_confused_pedicab_arrested_to_pedaling_way_into_lincoln_tunnel.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/06/11/2009-06-11_confused_pedicab_arrested_to_pedaling_way_into_lincoln_tunnel.html</a></p>
<p>Last summer, when the temperature was 90+ and it was too hot for carriage horses to work, I saw flatbed trucks dropping off dozens of pedicabs on Central Park South. Obviously where there's a will (and a few bucks to be made)  there's a way.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spike, watch what happens to the rude ignoring of traffic laws by pedicabs once the rules start getting enforced.  (I&#039;m not saying I know for sure, but I am very hopeful that within some months from now, you won&#039;t be able to make the same observation anymore.)  What you have seen in the past two years is a population of unlicensed pedicab operaters accountable to almost no one.  My hope is that once the rules get enforced, you&#039;ll hardly see any unlicensed operators. 

And regardless, what you have seen does not mean pedicabs should simply be banned.  It means they should be regulated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spike, watch what happens to the rude ignoring of traffic laws by pedicabs once the rules start getting enforced.  (I'm not saying I know for sure, but I am very hopeful that within some months from now, you won't be able to make the same observation anymore.)  What you have seen in the past two years is a population of unlicensed pedicab operaters accountable to almost no one.  My hope is that once the rules get enforced, you'll hardly see any unlicensed operators. </p>
<p>And regardless, what you have seen does not mean pedicabs should simply be banned.  It means they should be regulated.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/18/do-pedicabs-belong-in-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-70263</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many pedicabs are stored in Brooklyn or Queens.  If they can&#039;t use the bridge paths, how do they get to and from Manhattan?  Does anyone think it would be safe for them to be in a car lane on one of the bridges?

Also, I&#039;m glad that pedicab fares will soon be posted.  I&#039;ve never ridden in one, in part because I have no idea how much it costs and didn&#039;t feel like asking.

I have occasionally felt like taking one home to Queens, so I was disappointed that this crash looks like it will discourage people from doing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many pedicabs are stored in Brooklyn or Queens.  If they can't use the bridge paths, how do they get to and from Manhattan?  Does anyone think it would be safe for them to be in a car lane on one of the bridges?</p>
<p>Also, I'm glad that pedicab fares will soon be posted.  I've never ridden in one, in part because I have no idea how much it costs and didn't feel like asking.</p>
<p>I have occasionally felt like taking one home to Queens, so I was disappointed that this crash looks like it will discourage people from doing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Marple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Marple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not seen many pedicabs in bicycle lanes, but when I have, they have been a hazard.  I do hope to see more pedicabs, but not in commuter lanes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not seen many pedicabs in bicycle lanes, but when I have, they have been a hazard.  I do hope to see more pedicabs, but not in commuter lanes.</p>
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