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	<title>Comments on: Safety in Numbers: It&#8217;s Happening in NYC</title>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/05/safety-in-numbers-its-happening-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-69561</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Time time time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Excellent point, Larry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Time time time.</p></blockquote>
<p>Excellent point, Larry.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nothing&#039;s stopping those commuters from reaching home, getting on the trainer, and burning calories with an old Paris-Roubaix video.&quot;

Time time time.  Some of us don&#039;t have time, particularly with a need for down time and family time.

And a bicycle is less boring than an exercise machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Nothing's stopping those commuters from reaching home, getting on the trainer, and burning calories with an old Paris-Roubaix video."</p>
<p>Time time time.  Some of us don't have time, particularly with a need for down time and family time.</p>
<p>And a bicycle is less boring than an exercise machine.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/05/safety-in-numbers-its-happening-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-69543</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, I still affirm that the PATH train is safer. After all, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/04/slow-ride-take-it-easy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;according to Streetsblog&lt;/a&gt;, it&#039;s OK to ride slow, thereby omitting any real cardiovascular benefit: riding at 8 mph for a half-hour burns less than 200 calories. And stationary bikes or rollers are widely available; nothing&#039;s stopping those commuters from reaching home, getting on the trainer, and burning calories with an old Paris-Roubaix video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I still affirm that the PATH train is safer. After all, <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/04/slow-ride-take-it-easy/" rel="nofollow">according to Streetsblog</a>, it's OK to ride slow, thereby omitting any real cardiovascular benefit: riding at 8 mph for a half-hour burns less than 200 calories. And stationary bikes or rollers are widely available; nothing's stopping those commuters from reaching home, getting on the trainer, and burning calories with an old Paris-Roubaix video.</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/05/safety-in-numbers-its-happening-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-69533</link>
		<dc:creator>The Other Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh but Jonathan, you are only taking into account fatalities that occurred on the PATH train. Add in avoidable deaths due to lack of cardiovascular activity for those commuters and biking may be well out in front in safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh but Jonathan, you are only taking into account fatalities that occurred on the PATH train. Add in avoidable deaths due to lack of cardiovascular activity for those commuters and biking may be well out in front in safety.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/05/safety-in-numbers-its-happening-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-69518</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the graph, and I agree with the post, but another message that can be drawn is that bicycling in NYC is less popular than taking the PATH train (240k daily riders) and lots more lethal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the graph, and I agree with the post, but another message that can be drawn is that bicycling in NYC is less popular than taking the PATH train (240k daily riders) and lots more lethal.</p>
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		<title>By: eliot</title>
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		<dc:creator>eliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 21:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam -- we&#039;ve got that too!  Check out http://bikingrules.org.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam -- we've got that too!  Check out <a href="http://bikingrules.org." rel="nofollow">http://bikingrules.org.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sam McLeod</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/05/safety-in-numbers-its-happening-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-69455</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now all we need is a concerted education and enforcement campaign so cyclists, especially casual ones, stop breaking laws left and right. We can&#039;t expect respect as users of the road if we don&#039;t act like legitimate vehicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now all we need is a concerted education and enforcement campaign so cyclists, especially casual ones, stop breaking laws left and right. We can't expect respect as users of the road if we don't act like legitimate vehicles.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Sacramento</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in Sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s striking about the graph is that injuries+fatalities are actually decreasing (instead of merely growing at a rate slower than ridership, as prediced by &quot;Safety-in-Numbers&quot;).  

Fatalities, more easily and reliably measureed than injuries, might offer more precise evidence of what is really happening.  I&#039;m also quite skeptical of ridership numbers.

But enough with my curmudgeonly self.  Taken at face value, this is very, very encouraging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What's striking about the graph is that injuries+fatalities are actually decreasing (instead of merely growing at a rate slower than ridership, as prediced by "Safety-in-Numbers").  </p>
<p>Fatalities, more easily and reliably measureed than injuries, might offer more precise evidence of what is really happening.  I'm also quite skeptical of ridership numbers.</p>
<p>But enough with my curmudgeonly self.  Taken at face value, this is very, very encouraging.</p>
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		<title>By: Zac Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zac Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the decline in casualties really statistically significant post 2003 when you have the ridership surge? I&#039;d guess no from the graph, but it&#039;s hard to tell. Regardless, ridership numbers are awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the decline in casualties really statistically significant post 2003 when you have the ridership surge? I'd guess no from the graph, but it's hard to tell. Regardless, ridership numbers are awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Zac Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/05/safety-in-numbers-its-happening-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-69391</link>
		<dc:creator>Zac Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the decline in casualties really statistically significant post 2003 when you have the ridership surge? I&#039;d guess no from the graph, but it&#039;s hard to tell. Regardless, ridership numbers are awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the decline in casualties really statistically significant post 2003 when you have the ridership surge? I'd guess no from the graph, but it's hard to tell. Regardless, ridership numbers are awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: funky</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/05/safety-in-numbers-its-happening-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-69387</link>
		<dc:creator>funky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is screaming for a scatterplot.  x axis = ridership   y axis = casualties</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is screaming for a scatterplot.  x axis = ridership   y axis = casualties</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kaempff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kaempff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outstanding news!  Portland has had a similar experience with injuries and fatalities going down as cycling increased.  You can see the graph at http://www.portlandonline.com/TRANSPORTATION/index.cfm?&amp;c=46717&amp;a=185776</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outstanding news!  Portland has had a similar experience with injuries and fatalities going down as cycling increased.  You can see the graph at <a href="http://www.portlandonline.com/TRANSPORTATION/index.cfm?&amp;c=46717&amp;a=185776" rel="nofollow">http://www.portlandonline.com/TRANSPORTATION/index.cfm?&amp;c=46717&amp;a=185776</a></p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woody, you&#039;re sh*ttin&#039; me--a cycle track down Broadway from Herald Square to Madison Square?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woody, you're sh*ttin' me--a cycle track down Broadway from Herald Square to Madison Square?</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current reforms on Broadway will push this movement along in NYC. The pedestrians have taken over Times Square as if the city belonged to them, even if they are tourists! Then they seem more assertive at nearby intersections, while the cars and cabbies seem inhibited, at last. (Having cops on every corner helps too, of course.)

Completely closing a few blocks of Broadway got the publicity, but narrowing half a mile of the avenue may have a larger effect on safety. The existing experimental &quot;Broadway Boulevard&quot; stretch from 42nd to 34th St, has already become a pedestrian way, which it never was before. Tourists and locals now stroll along toward Macy&#039;s and the shopping district around Herald Square. Street artists and a few tabletop merchants follow their customers into what had been a dull and dreary section, now almost one long and lively sidewalk cafe. 

With a lane given over to bikes, and a wider lane to be instant park with chairs, tables, and planters, auto traffic is already contained in two lanes and psychologically constrained by it. And of course, for pedestrians, it is much easier to make it across two lanes at the crosswalk than four the way it used to be. 

Yesterday I saw the new striping being put on Broadway from Herald Square down to 23rd St. That will create a new protected bike path, separated from auto traffic. Not sure there will be room for the park-like lanes, but it will still be safer for cyclists and walkers. The whole city will benefit from these changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current reforms on Broadway will push this movement along in NYC. The pedestrians have taken over Times Square as if the city belonged to them, even if they are tourists! Then they seem more assertive at nearby intersections, while the cars and cabbies seem inhibited, at last. (Having cops on every corner helps too, of course.)</p>
<p>Completely closing a few blocks of Broadway got the publicity, but narrowing half a mile of the avenue may have a larger effect on safety. The existing experimental "Broadway Boulevard" stretch from 42nd to 34th St, has already become a pedestrian way, which it never was before. Tourists and locals now stroll along toward Macy's and the shopping district around Herald Square. Street artists and a few tabletop merchants follow their customers into what had been a dull and dreary section, now almost one long and lively sidewalk cafe. </p>
<p>With a lane given over to bikes, and a wider lane to be instant park with chairs, tables, and planters, auto traffic is already contained in two lanes and psychologically constrained by it. And of course, for pedestrians, it is much easier to make it across two lanes at the crosswalk than four the way it used to be. </p>
<p>Yesterday I saw the new striping being put on Broadway from Herald Square down to 23rd St. That will create a new protected bike path, separated from auto traffic. Not sure there will be room for the park-like lanes, but it will still be safer for cyclists and walkers. The whole city will benefit from these changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Striking numbers. I wish our city recorded bicycle and pedestrian data.</description>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now plot ridership and bike thefts.</description>
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