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	<title>Comments on: Using the Hive Mind to Make Biking Safer</title>
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		<title>By: Zane Selvans</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/02/using-the-hive-mind-to-make-biking-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-69160</link>
		<dc:creator>Zane Selvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry man, get that crash into Bikewise!  Discussion threads like this one are personal, but ultimately not persistent.  The beautiful thing about this application is that all these little pieces of information accumulate, and are machine readable, and aggregated in one place, where they can be used for the powers of good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry man, get that crash into Bikewise!  Discussion threads like this one are personal, but ultimately not persistent.  The beautiful thing about this application is that all these little pieces of information accumulate, and are machine readable, and aggregated in one place, where they can be used for the powers of good!</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/02/using-the-hive-mind-to-make-biking-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-69141</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mitigating circumstances&quot; was just a joke at his excuse.

What you had was an inexperienced driver (not good at looking at different things at once), and not a good one, driving a wide vehicle (his or his Mom&#039;s van -- the older woman was the passenger). 

I&#039;d think twice about trying to drive a van like that in Manhattan, with 32 years experience behind the wheel.

As I said I got off with a few boo boos and I think he learned his lesson.  Hopefully he&#039;ll stick to 20 mph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Mitigating circumstances" was just a joke at his excuse.</p>
<p>What you had was an inexperienced driver (not good at looking at different things at once), and not a good one, driving a wide vehicle (his or his Mom's van -- the older woman was the passenger). </p>
<p>I'd think twice about trying to drive a van like that in Manhattan, with 32 years experience behind the wheel.</p>
<p>As I said I got off with a few boo boos and I think he learned his lesson.  Hopefully he'll stick to 20 mph.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/02/using-the-hive-mind-to-make-biking-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-69136</link>
		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funnily, at the exact same spot yesterday (although southbound), I witnessed a psycho truck driver do something psychotic.  

He was stopped at a red light at 16th in those congested 2 lanes.  A cyclist in front of me was squeezing narrowly between the truck in one lane and another car stopped in the adjacent lane.  I was behind the cyclist, doing the same thing.  

Before the cyclist got as far as the truck&#039;s driver door, the driver opened the door (in his path) and screamed at him, &quot;are you @#$% crazy, you could scratch my truck!&quot;

I am not kidding.

The other cyclist just smiled and kept going, but I couldn&#039;t help yelling, &quot;yeah? did either of us scratch your fragile truck?  I hope you drive responsibly, you psycho.&quot;  My tone was surely not useful, but I was right, regardles...  He yelled some stuff at me too as I rode off.

A block or two later I thought, &quot;wait, why aren&#039;t I calling the phone number on the truck and saying that this driver deliberately opened the door in the path of a cyclist, a potentially, and often truly lethal move?&quot;  I headed back to get the number but, astoundingly, he had actually moved enough to be gone from the area...  Next time, buddy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funnily, at the exact same spot yesterday (although southbound), I witnessed a psycho truck driver do something psychotic.  </p>
<p>He was stopped at a red light at 16th in those congested 2 lanes.  A cyclist in front of me was squeezing narrowly between the truck in one lane and another car stopped in the adjacent lane.  I was behind the cyclist, doing the same thing.  </p>
<p>Before the cyclist got as far as the truck's driver door, the driver opened the door (in his path) and screamed at him, "are you @#$% crazy, you could scratch my truck!"</p>
<p>I am not kidding.</p>
<p>The other cyclist just smiled and kept going, but I couldn't help yelling, "yeah? did either of us scratch your fragile truck?  I hope you drive responsibly, you psycho."  My tone was surely not useful, but I was right, regardles...  He yelled some stuff at me too as I rode off.</p>
<p>A block or two later I thought, "wait, why aren't I calling the phone number on the truck and saying that this driver deliberately opened the door in the path of a cyclist, a potentially, and often truly lethal move?"  I headed back to get the number but, astoundingly, he had actually moved enough to be gone from the area...  Next time, buddy!</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/02/using-the-hive-mind-to-make-biking-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-69133</link>
		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to hear it Larry and I&#039;m glad you&#039;re okay.

Just want to say though that those circumstances don&#039;t seem to me to mitigate the driver&#039;s fault.

It&#039;s not that driver&#039;s responsibility to keep moving so a driver behind him doesn&#039;t rear-end him.  I mean, that&#039;s what brake lights are for.  In fact, in examining car-car rear-end &quot;accidents,&quot; law enforcement and insurance (wisely) have an near total prejudice against the rear driver.

I&#039;m sure that doesn&#039;t help you a great deal, Larry, but it&#039;s worth repeating for general consumption, I think...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear it Larry and I'm glad you're okay.</p>
<p>Just want to say though that those circumstances don't seem to me to mitigate the driver's fault.</p>
<p>It's not that driver's responsibility to keep moving so a driver behind him doesn't rear-end him.  I mean, that's what brake lights are for.  In fact, in examining car-car rear-end "accidents," law enforcement and insurance (wisely) have an near total prejudice against the rear driver.</p>
<p>I'm sure that doesn't help you a great deal, Larry, but it's worth repeating for general consumption, I think...</p>
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		<title>By: JM Palacios</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/02/using-the-hive-mind-to-make-biking-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-69132</link>
		<dc:creator>JM Palacios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, that collision of yours sounds more like the driver passed too close and misjudged the distance than the rare &quot;hit from behind&quot; collision. My suggestion would be to actually ride farther to the left (generally in the center of the lane, if there is no bike lane) in order to prevent this from happening. When drivers don&#039;t see enough space to pass you in the same lane, they won&#039;t. They&#039;re forced to actually look in the adjacent lane to make sure it&#039;s clear, then get over into it in order to get around you. If there&#039;s no room to get over, they have to slow to your speed. Also, you need to ride a safe distance away from parked cars to avoid opening car doors (4 feet to avoid the widest car door lengths), so riding in the center of the travel lane can solve that problem as well.

Riding like that will get you honked at more but hit less. Steel yourself to ignore the honking and cussing with the consolation that they&#039;re not running into you.

Read more of my take on taking the lane at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.transitmiami.com/2008/05/29/taking-the-lane-with-florida-bicycle-laws/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.transitmiami.com/2008/05/29/taking-the-lane-with-florida-bicycle-laws/&lt;/a&gt;, as it regards Florida laws. I&#039;m not familiar with New York laws, but Google probably knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, that collision of yours sounds more like the driver passed too close and misjudged the distance than the rare "hit from behind" collision. My suggestion would be to actually ride farther to the left (generally in the center of the lane, if there is no bike lane) in order to prevent this from happening. When drivers don't see enough space to pass you in the same lane, they won't. They're forced to actually look in the adjacent lane to make sure it's clear, then get over into it in order to get around you. If there's no room to get over, they have to slow to your speed. Also, you need to ride a safe distance away from parked cars to avoid opening car doors (4 feet to avoid the widest car door lengths), so riding in the center of the travel lane can solve that problem as well.</p>
<p>Riding like that will get you honked at more but hit less. Steel yourself to ignore the honking and cussing with the consolation that they're not running into you.</p>
<p>Read more of my take on taking the lane at <a href="http://www.transitmiami.com/2008/05/29/taking-the-lane-with-florida-bicycle-laws/" rel="nofollow">http://www.transitmiami.com/2008/05/29/taking-the-lane-with-florida-bicycle-laws/</a>, as it regards Florida laws. I'm not familiar with New York laws, but Google probably knows.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/02/using-the-hive-mind-to-make-biking-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-69126</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, that&#039;s a tough break. Glad to hear that you are OK. 

Sarah, I peeped at bikewise, and it looks pretty interesting, but I would like to reinforce the old canard about how most accidents happen within a couple blocks of your home. The stretch of road that you most frequently travel (mode-independent) will be the stretch of road nearest your house. 

I think the furthest away from home I&#039;ve ever had an accident was 15 blocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, that's a tough break. Glad to hear that you are OK. </p>
<p>Sarah, I peeped at bikewise, and it looks pretty interesting, but I would like to reinforce the old canard about how most accidents happen within a couple blocks of your home. The stretch of road that you most frequently travel (mode-independent) will be the stretch of road nearest your house. </p>
<p>I think the furthest away from home I've ever had an accident was 15 blocks.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1 Larry Littlefield, &quot; . . . Park Avenue South, near 16th Street, adjacent to Union Square&quot;

This area is way too unsafe and long overdue for serious traffic calming and cycle track; where the Fourth Avenue buffered bike path going north ends at 14th Street.

Probably one of the worst dangers are the private garbage trucks recklessly racing around this area about 11 in the evening doing collections;  wherein the city is totally negligent allowing this dangerous situation to persist in this extremely high-density area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 Larry Littlefield, " . . . Park Avenue South, near 16th Street, adjacent to Union Square"</p>
<p>This area is way too unsafe and long overdue for serious traffic calming and cycle track; where the Fourth Avenue buffered bike path going north ends at 14th Street.</p>
<p>Probably one of the worst dangers are the private garbage trucks recklessly racing around this area about 11 in the evening doing collections;  wherein the city is totally negligent allowing this dangerous situation to persist in this extremely high-density area.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/02/using-the-hive-mind-to-make-biking-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-69123</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there you go.

One aspect of having people pay a modest cost for a permit to park their cars overnight on the street in NYC, which I favor, is that it could be limited to cars licensed and insured in NYC.  Parking would get a lot easier, I&#039;d bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there you go.</p>
<p>One aspect of having people pay a modest cost for a permit to park their cars overnight on the street in NYC, which I favor, is that it could be limited to cars licensed and insured in NYC.  Parking would get a lot easier, I'd bet.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Goodyear</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/02/using-the-hive-mind-to-make-biking-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-69122</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Goodyear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to hear about the crash, Larry, and I&#039;m glad you&#039;re OK.

Just to clarify, you don&#039;t have to know how to Twitter to use http://bikewise.org, that&#039;s just where I found out about it. You do have to register, though.

And as for those North Carolina plates: http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/carpetbagging-drivers-head-to-north-carolina-for-plates/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to hear about the crash, Larry, and I'm glad you're OK.</p>
<p>Just to clarify, you don't have to know how to Twitter to use <a href="http://bikewise.org" rel="nofollow">http://bikewise.org</a>, that's just where I found out about it. You do have to register, though.</p>
<p>And as for those North Carolina plates: <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/carpetbagging-drivers-head-to-north-carolina-for-plates/" rel="nofollow">http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/carpetbagging-drivers-head-to-north-carolina-for-plates/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/02/using-the-hive-mind-to-make-biking-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-69121</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how to twitter, but as fate would have it, I was knocked off my bike by a motor vehicle for the first time today.  And not having half a day to spend to perhaps have someone get a ticket (and perhaps not), I didn&#039;t take the trouble to report it.  I did give the young guy with North Carolina plates who hit me a lecture, however, so hopefully he learned his lesson.

I mention it only because it was the type of crash guide books and blogs say is very unlikely -- I was hit from behind while riding in a straight line on the right.  

I was riding at a modest steady pace (say 10 mph as I was approaching a light) adjacent to parked cars, when a passenger van came up from behind, and passed at perhaps 20 mph a few inches away.  His mirror clipped my handlebar, dumping me over.  This was northbound on Park Avenue South, near 16th Street, adjacent to Union Square.

There were &#039;mitigating circumstances&quot; however.  He said he was being tailgated by another vehicle, and thus couldn&#039;t slow down without risking being rear ended.  I&#039;m not saying that makes it your fault, he conceded.

I&#039;ve got some scrapes and bruises, but if someone does that when I&#039;m 78 rather than 48, it could be much worse, so it&#039;s worrying in that sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't know how to twitter, but as fate would have it, I was knocked off my bike by a motor vehicle for the first time today.  And not having half a day to spend to perhaps have someone get a ticket (and perhaps not), I didn't take the trouble to report it.  I did give the young guy with North Carolina plates who hit me a lecture, however, so hopefully he learned his lesson.</p>
<p>I mention it only because it was the type of crash guide books and blogs say is very unlikely -- I was hit from behind while riding in a straight line on the right.  </p>
<p>I was riding at a modest steady pace (say 10 mph as I was approaching a light) adjacent to parked cars, when a passenger van came up from behind, and passed at perhaps 20 mph a few inches away.  His mirror clipped my handlebar, dumping me over.  This was northbound on Park Avenue South, near 16th Street, adjacent to Union Square.</p>
<p>There were 'mitigating circumstances" however.  He said he was being tailgated by another vehicle, and thus couldn't slow down without risking being rear ended.  I'm not saying that makes it your fault, he conceded.</p>
<p>I've got some scrapes and bruises, but if someone does that when I'm 78 rather than 48, it could be much worse, so it's worrying in that sense.</p>
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