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	<title>Comments on: If Texting-While-Driving Ban Fails, Blame Albany&#8217;s &#8220;Democracy of One&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Rosa</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/06/01/if-texting-while-driving-ban-fails-blame-albanys-democracy-of-one/comment-page-1/#comment-69278</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ban makes sense the accident statistics associated with  driving while texting are astounding. This is a huge public health risk, and can lead to serious accidents: http://www.newsy.com/videos/texting_and_driving_your_right_or_a_new_way_to_crash</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ban makes sense the accident statistics associated with  driving while texting are astounding. This is a huge public health risk, and can lead to serious accidents: <a href="http://www.newsy.com/videos/texting_and_driving_your_right_or_a_new_way_to_crash" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsy.com/videos/texting_and_driving_your_right_or_a_new_way_to_crash</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nathan H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lazybones.

Traffic law that depends on police enforcement is of particularly limited efficacy in New York. Violations tend not to be taken seriously as the victims are theoretical and we are collectively and individually bad at risk calculation. Laws with no tangible, immediate consequence quickly fall into selective enforcement and corruption. The powerful will continue to engage in the dangerous activity with impunity and even popular support, while the intended effect on the hoi drivoi is muted by their understanding that even if they are stopped for a violation there is a decent chance of being forgiven with a warning. But when they lose it&#039;s like the lottery in reverse, not so great for the poor or general fairness. All told, just about any other measure to improve public safety is better than depending on subjective police enforcement.

HOWEVER, the affected activity of frequent driving is one that many Streetsblog readers have given up. This accounts for the strong support of the ban, not a particular indifference to The Federalist Papers. If you see city driving as a special and serious burden rather than a daily routine, specific legislative restrictions on that activity are justified. Of course no one should be using a phone, period, while driving. The human cost of driving is much too high as it is, particularly to victims that do not even opt-in to the activity. From a pedestrian perspective any law that increases the gravity of driving—that reminds motorists that they are not on a couch but operating a deadly vehicle—is a good one.

So I support &#039;texting&#039; ban, but I also agree that it could be better dealt with locally than statewide. It is not my business if people on Long Island want to play bumper cars while texting. If they want some subsidy for a train line or complete streets I&#039;m a generous guy, but otherwise they can crash Escalades into each other while texting until the oil runs out for all I care. (Leaving aside the merits and necessity of a national carbon tax.) Unfortunately we&#039;re all in the same legislative boat, and we in NYC have to fight for a texting ban that makes sense for our pedestrian butts while they fight to keep their multitasking crashstyle. And then of course Gant is the same guy that shot down automatic (aka fair) enforcement for NYC bus lanes. Whether we&#039;re talking about effective, local, and incorruptible law or flimsy showpieces like this, Gant is on the wrong side for New York transportation and deserves all the antipathy Streetsblog sends his way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lazybones.</p>
<p>Traffic law that depends on police enforcement is of particularly limited efficacy in New York. Violations tend not to be taken seriously as the victims are theoretical and we are collectively and individually bad at risk calculation. Laws with no tangible, immediate consequence quickly fall into selective enforcement and corruption. The powerful will continue to engage in the dangerous activity with impunity and even popular support, while the intended effect on the hoi drivoi is muted by their understanding that even if they are stopped for a violation there is a decent chance of being forgiven with a warning. But when they lose it's like the lottery in reverse, not so great for the poor or general fairness. All told, just about any other measure to improve public safety is better than depending on subjective police enforcement.</p>
<p>HOWEVER, the affected activity of frequent driving is one that many Streetsblog readers have given up. This accounts for the strong support of the ban, not a particular indifference to The Federalist Papers. If you see city driving as a special and serious burden rather than a daily routine, specific legislative restrictions on that activity are justified. Of course no one should be using a phone, period, while driving. The human cost of driving is much too high as it is, particularly to victims that do not even opt-in to the activity. From a pedestrian perspective any law that increases the gravity of driving—that reminds motorists that they are not on a couch but operating a deadly vehicle—is a good one.</p>
<p>So I support 'texting' ban, but I also agree that it could be better dealt with locally than statewide. It is not my business if people on Long Island want to play bumper cars while texting. If they want some subsidy for a train line or complete streets I'm a generous guy, but otherwise they can crash Escalades into each other while texting until the oil runs out for all I care. (Leaving aside the merits and necessity of a national carbon tax.) Unfortunately we're all in the same legislative boat, and we in NYC have to fight for a texting ban that makes sense for our pedestrian butts while they fight to keep their multitasking crashstyle. And then of course Gant is the same guy that shot down automatic (aka fair) enforcement for NYC bus lanes. Whether we're talking about effective, local, and incorruptible law or flimsy showpieces like this, Gant is on the wrong side for New York transportation and deserves all the antipathy Streetsblog sends his way.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To one who believes that laws induce safety, that charges should be stacked as if the first were insufficient, that police have the public interest at heart, that nothing has unintended consequences, and that government is his friend, no arguments can be made against the texting ban.

I am unfortunately certain that that person is most of Streetsblog&#039;s audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To one who believes that laws induce safety, that charges should be stacked as if the first were insufficient, that police have the public interest at heart, that nothing has unintended consequences, and that government is his friend, no arguments can be made against the texting ban.</p>
<p>I am unfortunately certain that that person is most of Streetsblog's audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m genuinely curious: what arguments can be made against the texting ban?  Are there problems with the bill itself or with the general idea of banning texting?  Because if it&#039;s the latter, I wonder if people would endorse using a laptop or programming a VCR while driving?  If there are real problems with the wording of the bill, what are those issues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm genuinely curious: what arguments can be made against the texting ban?  Are there problems with the bill itself or with the general idea of banning texting?  Because if it's the latter, I wonder if people would endorse using a laptop or programming a VCR while driving?  If there are real problems with the wording of the bill, what are those issues?</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not in the least bit sold that &quot;democracy&quot; is actually what you people want.

As soon as it&#039;s a legislature full of people trying to vote through a law curtailing _your_ freedoms, and they&#039;re blocked by a single man via procedural horseplay, you&#039;ll be thanking him for his service. 

Majority rule is mob rule. That&#039;s why slowing down their legislatures is so important. cf Federalist 51 for indirect applications.

There are plenty of great arguments to be made against the texting ban, and plenty of great arguments to be made against Silver and Gantt. These, I don&#039;t think are them. 

Maybe we should start with why Albany has any jurisdiction over New York City traffic laws altogether? That, I think, is completely indefensible.

(The path out of here is through secession, friends.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not in the least bit sold that "democracy" is actually what you people want.</p>
<p>As soon as it's a legislature full of people trying to vote through a law curtailing _your_ freedoms, and they're blocked by a single man via procedural horseplay, you'll be thanking him for his service. </p>
<p>Majority rule is mob rule. That's why slowing down their legislatures is so important. cf Federalist 51 for indirect applications.</p>
<p>There are plenty of great arguments to be made against the texting ban, and plenty of great arguments to be made against Silver and Gantt. These, I don't think are them. </p>
<p>Maybe we should start with why Albany has any jurisdiction over New York City traffic laws altogether? That, I think, is completely indefensible.</p>
<p>(The path out of here is through secession, friends.)</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, everyone, are we calling and emailing our Assembly reps and Gantt about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, everyone, are we calling and emailing our Assembly reps and Gantt about this?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Seago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Seago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, the Assembly does have a &quot;Form 99&quot; process that allows sponsors to petition the committee chair to act on their bill, but this only requires a vote at some time within the two-year session, and in practice, and the committee&#039;s &quot;action&quot; can still be to hold the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, the Assembly does have a "Form 99" process that allows sponsors to petition the committee chair to act on their bill, but this only requires a vote at some time within the two-year session, and in practice, and the committee's "action" can still be to hold the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like that CT rule that all intros must eventually be voted on. Legislators are elected by the public to take stands on issues of the day, not avoid them until last minute possible. 

In NY, the rules for any given piece of legislation depend on who is proposing the legislation, who is lobbying on each side and whether or not it absolutely HAS to be dealt with or some part of government people care about may actually cease to function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like that CT rule that all intros must eventually be voted on. Legislators are elected by the public to take stands on issues of the day, not avoid them until last minute possible. </p>
<p>In NY, the rules for any given piece of legislation depend on who is proposing the legislation, who is lobbying on each side and whether or not it absolutely HAS to be dealt with or some part of government people care about may actually cease to function.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Classic &lt;a href=&quot;http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:wXEPxFxEUokJ:www.projectwriter.com/ReverseHoudini.aspx&amp;cd=5&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reverse Houdini&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classic <a href="http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:wXEPxFxEUokJ:www.projectwriter.com/ReverseHoudini.aspx&amp;cd=5&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us" rel="nofollow">reverse Houdini</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to the State of New York, where democracy crawled away to die, and no one has even bothered to bury the corpse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the State of New York, where democracy crawled away to die, and no one has even bothered to bury the corpse.</p>
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