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	<title>Comments on: Is There Such a Thing as Too Much Emphasis on Safety?</title>
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		<title>By: John Deere</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Deere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 01:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer to Sarah&#039;s question is that in a city where the majority of people don&#039;t own cars, and a significant minority don&#039;t have driver&#039;s licenses it is important for newcomers to cycling to learn some traffic skills and knowledge (I&#039;m avoiding the snooze word &quot;safety&quot; here) so that they will have the confidence to stick with it.   If one picked up their traffic skills information from simply watching NYC cyclists, one would learn all the wrong ideas about how to avoid crashes, be courteous, and be a good ambassador for cycling.   I&#039;ve heard way too many would be cyclists say &quot;I&#039;d like to try that, but traffic scares me.&quot;   Certainly Streetsblog efforts to tame traffic and build more bike facilites are an important part of bringing those newcomers into the fold, but giving those would be cyclists accurate information about cyclist errors that cause crashes (and how to avoid them) is just as important.  It isn&#039;t all hardware . . . it&#039;s the software too.   

And SB isn&#039;t all that great at avoiding &quot;scare&quot; dialogue either, with its constant demonization of all motorists.   As a cyclist, the vast majority of motorists I encounter every day are paying attention, following the rules (better than most cyclists do), and watching out for other people&#039;s safety.   Rides of silence and ghost bikes also have mixed results in terms of encouraging new cyclists vs. scaring them.   So yes, whether you want to call it &quot;skils&quot; or &quot;safety&quot; or &quot;knowledge&quot;, it&#039;s important and makes a difference when cyclists have it &amp; use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to Sarah's question is that in a city where the majority of people don't own cars, and a significant minority don't have driver's licenses it is important for newcomers to cycling to learn some traffic skills and knowledge (I'm avoiding the snooze word "safety" here) so that they will have the confidence to stick with it.   If one picked up their traffic skills information from simply watching NYC cyclists, one would learn all the wrong ideas about how to avoid crashes, be courteous, and be a good ambassador for cycling.   I've heard way too many would be cyclists say "I'd like to try that, but traffic scares me."   Certainly Streetsblog efforts to tame traffic and build more bike facilites are an important part of bringing those newcomers into the fold, but giving those would be cyclists accurate information about cyclist errors that cause crashes (and how to avoid them) is just as important.  It isn't all hardware . . . it's the software too.   </p>
<p>And SB isn't all that great at avoiding "scare" dialogue either, with its constant demonization of all motorists.   As a cyclist, the vast majority of motorists I encounter every day are paying attention, following the rules (better than most cyclists do), and watching out for other people's safety.   Rides of silence and ghost bikes also have mixed results in terms of encouraging new cyclists vs. scaring them.   So yes, whether you want to call it "skils" or "safety" or "knowledge", it's important and makes a difference when cyclists have it &amp; use it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah.... yous guys already posted that link .Bravo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah.... yous guys already posted that link .Bravo</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is hilarious concerning the helmet discussion. 
http://www.copenhagenize.com/2009/05/motoring-helmets-for-real-high-risk.html
By the way, lots of good points here all around. I enjoyed this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is hilarious concerning the helmet discussion.<br />
<a href="http://www.copenhagenize.com/2009/05/motoring-helmets-for-real-high-risk.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.copenhagenize.com/2009/05/motoring-helmets-for-real-high-risk.html</a><br />
By the way, lots of good points here all around. I enjoyed this!</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 13:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#19 Erik SandblomGecko, &quot;cycle tracks are fine but they are not an answer to reckless driving.&quot;

Response

Cycle tracks down the center of streets:

1.  Prevent u-turns on two-way streets.

2.  Mitigate dramatic lane changes and high speed driving since excess space is taken away from cars.

3.  Mitigate complexity and conflicts at curbs where double parking, pulling away from the curb, and loading vehicles make for a more dangerous environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19 Erik SandblomGecko, "cycle tracks are fine but they are not an answer to reckless driving."</p>
<p>Response</p>
<p>Cycle tracks down the center of streets:</p>
<p>1.  Prevent u-turns on two-way streets.</p>
<p>2.  Mitigate dramatic lane changes and high speed driving since excess space is taken away from cars.</p>
<p>3.  Mitigate complexity and conflicts at curbs where double parking, pulling away from the curb, and loading vehicles make for a more dangerous environment.</p>
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		<title>By: redcatbiker</title>
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		<dc:creator>redcatbiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 09:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current global economic collapse (really, when a nation is hemorraghing 500,000-plus job losses per month, with no end in sight, and no jobs available to absorb these losses, one cannot call this a recession, it is a depression) and peak oil are going to make more Americans take to getting about on bicycles, and we&#039;ll see fewer cars on the road, for the cost of the car, insurance, and its maintenance will reveal the absurdity of that mode of transportation for getting about town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current global economic collapse (really, when a nation is hemorraghing 500,000-plus job losses per month, with no end in sight, and no jobs available to absorb these losses, one cannot call this a recession, it is a depression) and peak oil are going to make more Americans take to getting about on bicycles, and we'll see fewer cars on the road, for the cost of the car, insurance, and its maintenance will reveal the absurdity of that mode of transportation for getting about town.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Rzepecki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Rzepecki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 02:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite constant protests from my family and friends, I don&#039;t wear a helmet.  Honestly, if it were mandatory it would make cycling a lot less enjoyable for me, and a lot more annoying.  I just don&#039;t feel bike commuting at low speeds with caution is a dangerous sport that requires protective headgear. 
http://ibikenyc.com/2009/03/29/bike-commuting-is-not-a-sport/

Honestly, its safer biking here than you might think:
http://ibikenyc.com/2009/04/06/believe-it-or-not/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite constant protests from my family and friends, I don't wear a helmet.  Honestly, if it were mandatory it would make cycling a lot less enjoyable for me, and a lot more annoying.  I just don't feel bike commuting at low speeds with caution is a dangerous sport that requires protective headgear.<br />
<a href="http://ibikenyc.com/2009/03/29/bike-commuting-is-not-a-sport/" rel="nofollow">http://ibikenyc.com/2009/03/29/bike-commuting-is-not-a-sport/</a></p>
<p>Honestly, its safer biking here than you might think:<br />
<a href="http://ibikenyc.com/2009/04/06/believe-it-or-not/" rel="nofollow">http://ibikenyc.com/2009/04/06/believe-it-or-not/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!.. . sorry if I caused you any offense! Fashionably late I presume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!.. . sorry if I caused you any offense! Fashionably late I presume.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#34 Ed, &quot;Geez. Do you ride a fixed gear or something?&quot;

reponse: 

No, a clunky Cannondale bike with knobby tires that is way too big for me but, I tend to be late all of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#34 Ed, "Geez. Do you ride a fixed gear or something?"</p>
<p>reponse: </p>
<p>No, a clunky Cannondale bike with knobby tires that is way too big for me but, I tend to be late all of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gecko, maybe you should just slow down. You&#039;re making me laugh with talk about
&quot;coordination, reflexes, conditioning, and youth to continually dodge the bullet&quot; 

Geez. Do you ride a fixed gear or something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gecko, maybe you should just slow down. You're making me laugh with talk about<br />
"coordination, reflexes, conditioning, and youth to continually dodge the bullet" </p>
<p>Geez. Do you ride a fixed gear or something?</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 03:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#32 Matt O&#039;Toole, &quot;Anyone who needs something to say can always repeat a few safety tips.&quot;

If people are to put themselves in harms way -- which is the current situation in this city -- they should know how to cycle for the conditions and cycle for their own abilities.  The more people cycle the more they learn to mitigate the dangers and cycling can be quite safe.  

But, to ignore the dangers is totally irresponsible.  And, people will not believe you when you tell them it is safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#32 Matt O'Toole, "Anyone who needs something to say can always repeat a few safety tips."</p>
<p>If people are to put themselves in harms way -- which is the current situation in this city -- they should know how to cycle for the conditions and cycle for their own abilities.  The more people cycle the more they learn to mitigate the dangers and cycling can be quite safe.  </p>
<p>But, to ignore the dangers is totally irresponsible.  And, people will not believe you when you tell them it is safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt O'Toole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt O'Toole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 02:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/05/19/is-there-such-a-thing-as-too-much-emphasis-on-safety/#comment-68244&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alex Ihnen&lt;/a&gt;.  The problem is that safety is such a lowest common denominator topic.  Anyone who needs something to say can always repeat a few safety tips.  I urge bike advocates and bike writers to try harder, and work on the other points we need to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/05/19/is-there-such-a-thing-as-too-much-emphasis-on-safety/#comment-68244" rel="nofollow">Alex Ihnen</a>.  The problem is that safety is such a lowest common denominator topic.  Anyone who needs something to say can always repeat a few safety tips.  I urge bike advocates and bike writers to try harder, and work on the other points we need to make.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 02:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#28 Mark Walker, &quot;I wish there were an equivalent of ghost bikes for killings of pedestrians.&quot;

I agree entirely.

&quot;Ghost Walkers&quot; would nail home the level of violence perpetuated by the current transportation system on the people in this city.  The fact that the very young and old predominate would make a very strong state which should not be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28 Mark Walker, "I wish there were an equivalent of ghost bikes for killings of pedestrians."</p>
<p>I agree entirely.</p>
<p>"Ghost Walkers" would nail home the level of violence perpetuated by the current transportation system on the people in this city.  The fact that the very young and old predominate would make a very strong state which should not be ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 02:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#27 Annie, &quot;If we&#039;re looking to get more older people, school kids and parents riding bicycles, ghost bikes&#039; constant re-enforcement that CYCLING IS DEADLY, just doesn&#039;t help. &quot;

Response:

Cycling is deadly and I cycle all the time.  City cyclists have to constantly be aware of the grave danger otherwise they can be killed.  It is a lie and foolish to say that it is not dangerous, or ignore it, or make believe it is not dangerous.  And, people have to lobby to make it safe.  It is just that simple.

Ghost bikes serve a very useful purpose.  And, if you like, they can be retired them when the streets are safe which, is not now.

Many people have the coordination, reflexes, conditioning, and youth to continually dodge the bullet and cycle the city in cavalier ways.  Many others do not and can be seriously hurt or killed if they do not take the extreme care that is warranted under the current conditions which will improve tremendously as more people cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#27 Annie, "If we're looking to get more older people, school kids and parents riding bicycles, ghost bikes' constant re-enforcement that CYCLING IS DEADLY, just doesn't help. "</p>
<p>Response:</p>
<p>Cycling is deadly and I cycle all the time.  City cyclists have to constantly be aware of the grave danger otherwise they can be killed.  It is a lie and foolish to say that it is not dangerous, or ignore it, or make believe it is not dangerous.  And, people have to lobby to make it safe.  It is just that simple.</p>
<p>Ghost bikes serve a very useful purpose.  And, if you like, they can be retired them when the streets are safe which, is not now.</p>
<p>Many people have the coordination, reflexes, conditioning, and youth to continually dodge the bullet and cycle the city in cavalier ways.  Many others do not and can be seriously hurt or killed if they do not take the extreme care that is warranted under the current conditions which will improve tremendously as more people cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 00:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean &lt;a href=&quot;http://times-up.org/index.php?page=memorial-stencils&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;like this&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean <a href="http://times-up.org/index.php?page=memorial-stencils" rel="nofollow">like this</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 00:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish there were an equivalent of ghost bikes for killings of pedestrians.</description>
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		<title>By: Annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 00:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benbo,

Maybe it&#039;s time to stop being offended and take note of the fact that ghost bikes scare the crap out of lots of New Yorkers and probably help ensure that they will never ever ever get out there on the street and ride with us. 

Don&#039;t get me wrong. Ghost bikes were an incredible art project. They had their moment. They served an important purpose. But now that City DOT is, essentially, functioning as a bike advocacy organization and the ghost bikes have been featured in the NYT and a zillion other media outlets, they are no longer all that powerful as art or useful as advocacy. Ghost bikes, as you might say, are boring. They&#039;re over.

If we want biking to continue to be considered a kind of cool, exclusive, predominantly young, male club in NYC then ghost bikes probably help achieve that goal. If we&#039;re looking to get more older people, school kids and parents riding bicycles, ghost bikes&#039; constant re-enforcement that CYCLING IS DEADLY, just doesn&#039;t help. 

Sorry if that&#039;s offensive to you. But that&#039;s the way a lot of people see ghost bikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benbo,</p>
<p>Maybe it's time to stop being offended and take note of the fact that ghost bikes scare the crap out of lots of New Yorkers and probably help ensure that they will never ever ever get out there on the street and ride with us. </p>
<p>Don't get me wrong. Ghost bikes were an incredible art project. They had their moment. They served an important purpose. But now that City DOT is, essentially, functioning as a bike advocacy organization and the ghost bikes have been featured in the NYT and a zillion other media outlets, they are no longer all that powerful as art or useful as advocacy. Ghost bikes, as you might say, are boring. They're over.</p>
<p>If we want biking to continue to be considered a kind of cool, exclusive, predominantly young, male club in NYC then ghost bikes probably help achieve that goal. If we're looking to get more older people, school kids and parents riding bicycles, ghost bikes' constant re-enforcement that CYCLING IS DEADLY, just doesn't help. </p>
<p>Sorry if that's offensive to you. But that's the way a lot of people see ghost bikes.</p>
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		<title>By: JSD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 23:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Andy. Interesting numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Andy. Interesting numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: benbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>benbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously?  You guys have already made this point and already offended a lot of people by doing so.  This blog is getting boring.  http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/08/memorializing-killed-cyclists-is-it-good-for-cycling/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously?  You guys have already made this point and already offended a lot of people by doing so.  This blog is getting boring.  <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/08/memorializing-killed-cyclists-is-it-good-for-cycling/" rel="nofollow">http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/08/memorializing-killed-cyclists-is-it-good-for-cycling/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric McClure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric McClure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not going to wade into this helmet debate (I always wear one), but I had to laugh to stop from crying when I saw this item from the Streetsblog network:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://stlurbanworkshop.blogspot.com/2009/05/missouri-bans-texting-for-drivers-22.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Missouri Bans Texting for Drivers 22 and Younger&lt;/a&gt;  

Does that mean it&#039;s not a bad idea for people 23 and older to text while driving?  Are older texters more responsible about how they take their eyes off the road?

I think I&#039;ll keep that helmet on (OK, I lied about not wading in, but I&#039;ll bet drivers in Copenhagen or Amsterdam don&#039;t text while driving, and they don&#039;t drive their SUVs down city streets at 60 mph, either).  Not that the helmet would save me from &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; kind of driver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not going to wade into this helmet debate (I always wear one), but I had to laugh to stop from crying when I saw this item from the Streetsblog network:</p>
<p><a href="http://stlurbanworkshop.blogspot.com/2009/05/missouri-bans-texting-for-drivers-22.html" rel="nofollow">Missouri Bans Texting for Drivers 22 and Younger</a>  </p>
<p>Does that mean it's not a bad idea for people 23 and older to text while driving?  Are older texters more responsible about how they take their eyes off the road?</p>
<p>I think I'll keep that helmet on (OK, I lied about not wading in, but I'll bet drivers in Copenhagen or Amsterdam don't text while driving, and they don't drive their SUVs down city streets at 60 mph, either).  Not that the helmet would save me from <i>that</i> kind of driver.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/05/19/is-there-such-a-thing-as-too-much-emphasis-on-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-68269</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 19:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JSD,

The Netherlands, Denmark, and Germany all have cycling fatality and injury rates that are much lower per 100,000,000 km cycled.

     Killed, Injured 
NL - 1.1      1.4
DK - 1.5      1.7
D  - 1.7      4.7
UK - 3.5      6.0
USA- 5.8     37.5!!!!!

Source: John Pucher; Ralph Buehler - Making Cycling Irresistible: Lessons from The Netherlands, Denmark and Germany, Transport Reviews, p506
http://policy.rutgers.edu/faculty/pucher/Irresistible.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JSD,</p>
<p>The Netherlands, Denmark, and Germany all have cycling fatality and injury rates that are much lower per 100,000,000 km cycled.</p>
<p>     Killed, Injured<br />
NL - 1.1      1.4<br />
DK - 1.5      1.7<br />
D  - 1.7      4.7<br />
UK - 3.5      6.0<br />
USA- 5.8     37.5!!!!!</p>
<p>Source: John Pucher; Ralph Buehler - Making Cycling Irresistible: Lessons from The Netherlands, Denmark and Germany, Transport Reviews, p506<br />
<a href="http://policy.rutgers.edu/faculty/pucher/Irresistible.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://policy.rutgers.edu/faculty/pucher/Irresistible.pdf</a></p>
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