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	<title>Comments on: CB Action Tomorrow: New Bike Routes for Harlem and Greenwich Village</title>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Running lanes through the park was excluded because bikes are not allowed in parks.&quot;

That can&#039;t be the whole story.  They just striped a bike path through City Hall Park to connect Warren Street to the Brooklyn Bridge.  If they really wanted to, they could have done the same thing in Washington Square Park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Running lanes through the park was excluded because bikes are not allowed in parks.&#8221;</p>
<p>That can&#8217;t be the whole story.  They just striped a bike path through City Hall Park to connect Warren Street to the Brooklyn Bridge.  If they really wanted to, they could have done the same thing in Washington Square Park.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to the CB2 meeting. The presenters from DOT were very professional and were very well prepared for dealing with the several irate &quot;members of the community&quot; usually present at these meetings. The presenters took every opportunity to say that no parking will be affected by the lanes; they must get a lot of flak for removing parking, although in this case many people pointed out they&#039;d actually wouldn&#039;t mind reduced parking or truck loading zones. On the other hand, it was clear that DOT isn&#039;t going to change its plans simply due to community input.

Parking-protected bike lanes were passed over in this project in favor of painted curbside lanes because the streets are too narrow. (A parking protected lane has to be extra wide because of the door zone). Running lanes through the park was excluded because bikes are not allowed in parks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to the CB2 meeting. The presenters from DOT were very professional and were very well prepared for dealing with the several irate &#8220;members of the community&#8221; usually present at these meetings. The presenters took every opportunity to say that no parking will be affected by the lanes; they must get a lot of flak for removing parking, although in this case many people pointed out they&#8217;d actually wouldn&#8217;t mind reduced parking or truck loading zones. On the other hand, it was clear that DOT isn&#8217;t going to change its plans simply due to community input.</p>
<p>Parking-protected bike lanes were passed over in this project in favor of painted curbside lanes because the streets are too narrow. (A parking protected lane has to be extra wide because of the door zone). Running lanes through the park was excluded because bikes are not allowed in parks.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the proposal for Adam Clayton Powell: Normally I&#039;d cheer for more bike lanes, but there&#039;s already one on St. Nicholas Ave that&#039;s always, always full of double-parked cars (especially in front of the police station on 123rd St). Meanwhile, car traffic still speeds, but cyclists are forced to weave in and out of it. Unless the NYPD decides to start ticketing the double-parkers, I can only imagine that a bike lane on ACP would have the same problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the proposal for Adam Clayton Powell: Normally I&#8217;d cheer for more bike lanes, but there&#8217;s already one on St. Nicholas Ave that&#8217;s always, always full of double-parked cars (especially in front of the police station on 123rd St). Meanwhile, car traffic still speeds, but cyclists are forced to weave in and out of it. Unless the NYPD decides to start ticketing the double-parkers, I can only imagine that a bike lane on ACP would have the same problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Eckerson Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarence Eckerson Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 12:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since it seems not obvious and a few here have misread the diagram - the 4 foot buffer in the diagram is not a physical barrier, it is just paint, it must be DOT&#039;s way of representing it.  So there is not a raised curb or anything like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since it seems not obvious and a few here have misread the diagram &#8211; the 4 foot buffer in the diagram is not a physical barrier, it is just paint, it must be DOT&#8217;s way of representing it.  So there is not a raised curb or anything like that.</p>
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		<title>By: herenthere</title>
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		<dc:creator>herenthere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Christian Decker&#039;s plan to put the bike lane next to the sidewalk, followed by a buffer, and then a parking lane. B/c in the diagram, how are cars supposed to get into the parking space? In addition, the bike lane next to the sidewalk would provide additional walking space if the sidewalk is too crowded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Christian Decker&#8217;s plan to put the bike lane next to the sidewalk, followed by a buffer, and then a parking lane. B/c in the diagram, how are cars supposed to get into the parking space? In addition, the bike lane next to the sidewalk would provide additional walking space if the sidewalk is too crowded.</p>
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		<title>By: J-Uptown</title>
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		<dc:creator>J-Uptown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, you make some valid points, but NYC is a completely different beast, which you should consider when you make a comment.

1) Cyclist are rarely ever ticketed for anything except riding on the sidewalks. It is quite common to see a cyclist riding the wrong way run a red light in front of a cop. They are instructed to ignore it. The concept of being confined anywhere is a complete joke here. You can ride anywhere but the sidewalks if you&#039;re brave enough.

2) The citywide speed limit is 30 mph, but that doesn&#039;t help much when taxis just barely miss brazing your body and a pedestrian darts out from between two parked cars and a delivery truck is double parked in front of you. There is simply too much to be wary if for most people to ride in traffic here.

3) When there is a buffer, most cyclists ride in the buffer, so it&#039;s really a 9 foot bike lane. The main problem, though, is that trucks and cars double park there constantly.

4) Finally, in Manhattan there are no low-volume North-South residential streets. Every street is an arterial with high volumes of traffic. Therefore, in many cases a bike lane is absolutely necessary, preferably a protected one. I am hoping that the city is claiming space for cyclists now with these buffered lanes, with the future intention of creating protected lane with that space. This is what they did on Eighth Ave, and I hope they do it on Seventh Ave in Harlem as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, you make some valid points, but NYC is a completely different beast, which you should consider when you make a comment.</p>
<p>1) Cyclist are rarely ever ticketed for anything except riding on the sidewalks. It is quite common to see a cyclist riding the wrong way run a red light in front of a cop. They are instructed to ignore it. The concept of being confined anywhere is a complete joke here. You can ride anywhere but the sidewalks if you&#8217;re brave enough.</p>
<p>2) The citywide speed limit is 30 mph, but that doesn&#8217;t help much when taxis just barely miss brazing your body and a pedestrian darts out from between two parked cars and a delivery truck is double parked in front of you. There is simply too much to be wary if for most people to ride in traffic here.</p>
<p>3) When there is a buffer, most cyclists ride in the buffer, so it&#8217;s really a 9 foot bike lane. The main problem, though, is that trucks and cars double park there constantly.</p>
<p>4) Finally, in Manhattan there are no low-volume North-South residential streets. Every street is an arterial with high volumes of traffic. Therefore, in many cases a bike lane is absolutely necessary, preferably a protected one. I am hoping that the city is claiming space for cyclists now with these buffered lanes, with the future intention of creating protected lane with that space. This is what they did on Eighth Ave, and I hope they do it on Seventh Ave in Harlem as well.</p>
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		<title>By: chriswnw</title>
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		<dc:creator>chriswnw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In NYC we have had made much progress even with painted lanes and especially with physically separated ones, so if the road-taking cyclists elsewhere would please leave us to it...&quot;

I don&#039;t know about NYC, but in Oregon, a state law stipulates that we MUST use the dedicated bike path when one is present.  So at least here, such paths would interfere with our current manner of riding, as our failure to use them could get us ticketed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In NYC we have had made much progress even with painted lanes and especially with physically separated ones, so if the road-taking cyclists elsewhere would please leave us to it&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about NYC, but in Oregon, a state law stipulates that we MUST use the dedicated bike path when one is present.  So at least here, such paths would interfere with our current manner of riding, as our failure to use them could get us ticketed.</p>
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		<title>By: chriswnw</title>
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		<dc:creator>chriswnw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Vehicular cyclists are still flying the flag? Still? Even after city after city shows that improved facilities lead to high biking rates?

You may feel comfortable riding in the middle of the street but it should be pretty obvious that you are heavily outnumbered by people who prefer to have a space on the street away from cars.&quot;

I don&#039;t really place myself in the VC camp or the facilities camp.  I think riders can integrate on city streets, but only if the streets are below a certain speed limit, namely 25 mph (or 35 if the lanes are sufficient wide).  I&#039;m fine with Portland&#039;s bike boulevards, as they give a sufficient amount of space to accommodate riders of all styles and skill levels.  I&#039;m not okay with being confined to a 5-6 foot path, and being subjected to ticketing if I stray from it.

My recipe for bike-friendliness:

1. Reduce the speed limits for all in-city surface streets to 30 mph.
2. If a city MUST have high traffic arterial roads, ensure that a low speed route runs roughly parallel to it.  This would require connecting some disconnected residential streets in suburban areas, either with new sections of street or bike/ped cut-through paths.
3. More bike/ped freeway and railroad crossings.
4. Shared lane markings or &quot;sharrows&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Vehicular cyclists are still flying the flag? Still? Even after city after city shows that improved facilities lead to high biking rates?</p>
<p>You may feel comfortable riding in the middle of the street but it should be pretty obvious that you are heavily outnumbered by people who prefer to have a space on the street away from cars.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really place myself in the VC camp or the facilities camp.  I think riders can integrate on city streets, but only if the streets are below a certain speed limit, namely 25 mph (or 35 if the lanes are sufficient wide).  I&#8217;m fine with Portland&#8217;s bike boulevards, as they give a sufficient amount of space to accommodate riders of all styles and skill levels.  I&#8217;m not okay with being confined to a 5-6 foot path, and being subjected to ticketing if I stray from it.</p>
<p>My recipe for bike-friendliness:</p>
<p>1. Reduce the speed limits for all in-city surface streets to 30 mph.<br />
2. If a city MUST have high traffic arterial roads, ensure that a low speed route runs roughly parallel to it.  This would require connecting some disconnected residential streets in suburban areas, either with new sections of street or bike/ped cut-through paths.<br />
3. More bike/ped freeway and railroad crossings.<br />
4. Shared lane markings or &#8220;sharrows&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: LN</title>
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		<dc:creator>LN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I agree that there needs to be consistency in bike lanes. I just got back from Amsterdam. Bike lanes there are always brick red, and if integrated with the sidewalk or street they are also a different paving surface. They also include directional markers for bikes letting them know which one to follow to go in which driection, where to wait for a left or right turn, ect, painted directly on the lanes.

And in New York, we need to add, directly on the bike lane something like &quot;This lane for bikes only - no parking&quot; 

I&#039;ve heard from drivers that, especially at night, they can&#039;t figure out where the bike lane is because its not clearly marked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I agree that there needs to be consistency in bike lanes. I just got back from Amsterdam. Bike lanes there are always brick red, and if integrated with the sidewalk or street they are also a different paving surface. They also include directional markers for bikes letting them know which one to follow to go in which driection, where to wait for a left or right turn, ect, painted directly on the lanes.</p>
<p>And in New York, we need to add, directly on the bike lane something like &#8220;This lane for bikes only &#8211; no parking&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard from drivers that, especially at night, they can&#8217;t figure out where the bike lane is because its not clearly marked.</p>
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		<title>By: ChipSeal</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChipSeal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian Decker asks; &quot;Also, why doesn&#039;t the city propose putting the bike lane beside the sidewalk and placing a physical barrier between the parking lane and the bike lane.&quot;

Sweeping and maintenance issues. Nuff said.

It really is too bad that those expensive streets are inadequate for cyclists to ride on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian Decker asks; &#8220;Also, why doesn&#8217;t the city propose putting the bike lane beside the sidewalk and placing a physical barrier between the parking lane and the bike lane.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sweeping and maintenance issues. Nuff said.</p>
<p>It really is too bad that those expensive streets are inadequate for cyclists to ride on.</p>
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		<title>By: J-Uptown</title>
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		<dc:creator>J-Uptown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any news from these meetings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any news from these meetings?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Vehicular cyclists are still flying the flag?&quot;

There has been an influx, I think by way of streetsblog.net (a great thing, otherwise). Bicycle boulevards and what-have-you may be perfectly pleasant in places where traffic is calmer and there is a social stigma against honking, but not so much right here right now. My main problem with taking a lane is being honked at ruins my morning, and I&#039;m not interested in hardening myself to pretend it does not. In NYC we have had made much progress even with painted lanes and especially with physically separated ones, so if the road-taking cyclists elsewhere would please leave us to it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Vehicular cyclists are still flying the flag?&#8221;</p>
<p>There has been an influx, I think by way of streetsblog.net (a great thing, otherwise). Bicycle boulevards and what-have-you may be perfectly pleasant in places where traffic is calmer and there is a social stigma against honking, but not so much right here right now. My main problem with taking a lane is being honked at ruins my morning, and I&#8217;m not interested in hardening myself to pretend it does not. In NYC we have had made much progress even with painted lanes and especially with physically separated ones, so if the road-taking cyclists elsewhere would please leave us to it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Berkman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Berkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re going to give cyclists 9&#039; why can&#039;t it be next to the curb. ARRRGGG! I live on Henry street and love my green bike lane.  The experience is way better than on Clinton street where I feel like I&#039;m going to get doored or squished between moving traffic and a parked car.  Moreover, placing bike facilities next to parking lanes just begs for double parking. 

DOT needs to develop a consistent language of bike facilities that is not cluttered and ugly like the current designs.  Less marking of the street and more medians, planted and raised areas will do the job. Putting up bright colored signs and adding sharrows draws attention to cyclists but it also signals to neighborhoods that if you get a bike lane it will come with some ugly accessories.  I know we&#039;re just getting started, but we need to move toward more elegant solutions and away from temporary looking, but useful quick fixes.  If getting a bike lane meant serious street improvements more people would want them in their neighborhoods.  

Signage in Amsterdam

http://x71.xanga.com/f14c33f629133161372039/z121487593.jpg

Signage in NYC
http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/10_29/bb01.jpg

http://www.nycbikemaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/sharrows-on-bowery-street-connecting-bleeker-and-2nd.JPG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re going to give cyclists 9&#8242; why can&#8217;t it be next to the curb. ARRRGGG! I live on Henry street and love my green bike lane.  The experience is way better than on Clinton street where I feel like I&#8217;m going to get doored or squished between moving traffic and a parked car.  Moreover, placing bike facilities next to parking lanes just begs for double parking. </p>
<p>DOT needs to develop a consistent language of bike facilities that is not cluttered and ugly like the current designs.  Less marking of the street and more medians, planted and raised areas will do the job. Putting up bright colored signs and adding sharrows draws attention to cyclists but it also signals to neighborhoods that if you get a bike lane it will come with some ugly accessories.  I know we&#8217;re just getting started, but we need to move toward more elegant solutions and away from temporary looking, but useful quick fixes.  If getting a bike lane meant serious street improvements more people would want them in their neighborhoods.  </p>
<p>Signage in Amsterdam</p>
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<p>Signage in NYC<br />
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<p><a href="http://www.nycbikemaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/sharrows-on-bowery-street-connecting-bleeker-and-2nd.JPG" rel="nofollow">http://www.nycbikemaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/sharrows-on-bowery-street-connecting-bleeker-and-2nd.JPG</a></p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
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		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vehicular cyclists are still flying the flag?  Still?  Even after city after city shows that improved facilities lead to high biking rates?

You may feel comfortable riding in the middle of the street but it should be pretty obvious that you are heavily outnumbered by people who prefer to have a space on the street away from cars.

This isn&#039;t to say that this is the best possible facility but it stands to be a much more heavily used route than an unstriped street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vehicular cyclists are still flying the flag?  Still?  Even after city after city shows that improved facilities lead to high biking rates?</p>
<p>You may feel comfortable riding in the middle of the street but it should be pretty obvious that you are heavily outnumbered by people who prefer to have a space on the street away from cars.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t to say that this is the best possible facility but it stands to be a much more heavily used route than an unstriped street.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Sacramento</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in Sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The diagram appears to show a bicyclist about to go over the handlebars after crashing into the curb to her left.  And who said irony was dead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The diagram appears to show a bicyclist about to go over the handlebars after crashing into the curb to her left.  And who said irony was dead?</p>
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		<title>By: chriswnw</title>
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		<dc:creator>chriswnw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, five feet of space to cycle on, right smack in the middle of the door zone.  Urban planners apparently know nothing about riding bikes.

There&#039;s already a perfectly good bike route in place.  It is known as a street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, five feet of space to cycle on, right smack in the middle of the door zone.  Urban planners apparently know nothing about riding bikes.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s already a perfectly good bike route in place.  It is known as a street.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Decker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Decker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stacy,

You can request bike racks from the city using the following online form:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/bicyclists/rackfrm1.shtml

The following page has information about where the racks can be placed/requested:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/bicyclists/bikerack.shtml

I have not requested any racks for my neighborhood yet, but I&#039;m sure there are some other Streetsblog readers that have and may have information for you on the process.

Best of luck,
Christian

Also, why doesn&#039;t the city propose putting the bike lane beside the sidewalk and placing a physical barrier between the parking lane and the bike lane.  I&#039;m sure the answer will be price, but it seems like the safer way to go.  With a strip of curb, it doesn&#039;t matter if people double park or drive recklessly, the bike lane will be protected by a row of parked cars and a strip of curb or grass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stacy,</p>
<p>You can request bike racks from the city using the following online form:<br />
<a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/bicyclists/rackfrm1.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/bicyclists/rackfrm1.shtml</a></p>
<p>The following page has information about where the racks can be placed/requested:<br />
<a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/bicyclists/bikerack.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/bicyclists/bikerack.shtml</a></p>
<p>I have not requested any racks for my neighborhood yet, but I&#8217;m sure there are some other Streetsblog readers that have and may have information for you on the process.</p>
<p>Best of luck,<br />
Christian</p>
<p>Also, why doesn&#8217;t the city propose putting the bike lane beside the sidewalk and placing a physical barrier between the parking lane and the bike lane.  I&#8217;m sure the answer will be price, but it seems like the safer way to go.  With a strip of curb, it doesn&#8217;t matter if people double park or drive recklessly, the bike lane will be protected by a row of parked cars and a strip of curb or grass.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Mork</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s another great thing about bicycles, Stacy -- you can always dismount and become a pedestrian if you want to cut through a park where bike riding isn&#039;t permitted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s another great thing about bicycles, Stacy &#8212; you can always dismount and become a pedestrian if you want to cut through a park where bike riding isn&#8217;t permitted.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment seems to have gotten burried on another page so I&#039;ll repeat and expand a little on it here. 

As a resident of the South Village who is really tired of having to circle the park whenever I use Fifth Avenue to get home I&#039;d much rather see bicycle access through the center of Washington Square Park. Wouldn&#039;t it be lovely to add bike racks around the fountain so that cyclists can enjoy Washington Square just like everyone else? 

Bike lanes to access the Greenway should be a no-brainer especially if the MTA is doing away with the crosstown bus. We already have a lane on 9th Street, and partial lanes on Far West Christopher. If we&#039;re going to lose the busses anyway then why not expand on the existing bike lanes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment seems to have gotten burried on another page so I&#8217;ll repeat and expand a little on it here. </p>
<p>As a resident of the South Village who is really tired of having to circle the park whenever I use Fifth Avenue to get home I&#8217;d much rather see bicycle access through the center of Washington Square Park. Wouldn&#8217;t it be lovely to add bike racks around the fountain so that cyclists can enjoy Washington Square just like everyone else? </p>
<p>Bike lanes to access the Greenway should be a no-brainer especially if the MTA is doing away with the crosstown bus. We already have a lane on 9th Street, and partial lanes on Far West Christopher. If we&#8217;re going to lose the busses anyway then why not expand on the existing bike lanes?</p>
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		<title>By: jass</title>
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		<dc:creator>jass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The image shows a total of 9 or buffer&#039;...enough for another parking area or even a tight lane.

What Im getting at, is if there space, people will use it (double parking)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The image shows a total of 9 or buffer&#8217;&#8230;enough for another parking area or even a tight lane.</p>
<p>What Im getting at, is if there space, people will use it (double parking)</p>
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