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	<title>Comments on: Huge Coalition Lines Up Behind Ravitch&#8217;s MTA Rescue Plan</title>
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		<title>By: Aaron Butler</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65176</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 02:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure - anyone who can support the fact that chopping back on
an unneeded project like the 10 billion dollar Long Island
Rail Road Extension to Grand Central Station is called a troll
on this blog.  You guys are a joke, but the joke is on all of
us since in 2 days we are going to get toll hikes instead
of cut backs in transit projects that nobody in New York
City wants.

Enjoy your new subway fares.  People like those that run this
blog are at fault for it.

Aaron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure - anyone who can support the fact that chopping back on<br />
an unneeded project like the 10 billion dollar Long Island<br />
Rail Road Extension to Grand Central Station is called a troll<br />
on this blog.  You guys are a joke, but the joke is on all of<br />
us since in 2 days we are going to get toll hikes instead<br />
of cut backs in transit projects that nobody in New York<br />
City wants.</p>
<p>Enjoy your new subway fares.  People like those that run this<br />
blog are at fault for it.</p>
<p>Aaron</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65106</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, please don&#039;t feed the trolls.  By posting multiple messages, some of them very long, even when asked not to, Ruben basically took a big shit in this thread.  Do you really want to reward him for this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, please don't feed the trolls.  By posting multiple messages, some of them very long, even when asked not to, Ruben basically took a big shit in this thread.  Do you really want to reward him for this?</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65090</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 02:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruben,

I know I&#039;m not supposed to feed trolls like yourself, but ESA is projected to cost $8 billion.  Regardless of the merits (or lack thereof, actually) of your arguments, please at least get the basic facts correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruben,</p>
<p>I know I'm not supposed to feed trolls like yourself, but ESA is projected to cost $8 billion.  Regardless of the merits (or lack thereof, actually) of your arguments, please at least get the basic facts correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Naparstek</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65083</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Naparstek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruben,

You are really abusing our comments section and you no longer have permission to post here. Go rant on your own blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruben,</p>
<p>You are really abusing our comments section and you no longer have permission to post here. Go rant on your own blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Safir</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65039</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Safir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In tough times, it is time to invest in transit. If we make our subways, buses and commuter lines better, we are investing in our economy, environment, mobility and our future. Let&#039;s keep New York moving!&quot;

There was no tolls or fare increases during the Depression</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"In tough times, it is time to invest in transit. If we make our subways, buses and commuter lines better, we are investing in our economy, environment, mobility and our future. Let's keep New York moving!"</p>
<p>There was no tolls or fare increases during the Depression</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Safir</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65038</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Safir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Tolls are a necessary part of any plan to fully and fairly fund mass transit. Everyone - including drivers - benefits from a functioning transit system, so it&#039;s only fair that everyone should contribute to keeping New York on the move.&quot;

Sounds like a pitch to fund the MTA from the general revenue fund instead of tolling the Brooklyn Bridge.  Why not just Toll Flatbush Avenue.  Same difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Tolls are a necessary part of any plan to fully and fairly fund mass transit. Everyone - including drivers - benefits from a functioning transit system, so it's only fair that everyone should contribute to keeping New York on the move."</p>
<p>Sounds like a pitch to fund the MTA from the general revenue fund instead of tolling the Brooklyn Bridge.  Why not just Toll Flatbush Avenue.  Same difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Safir</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65037</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Safir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaker Silver also said Thursday that with the stimulus money, the state&#039;s budget would likely grow from the proposed $121 billion to between $125 to $127 billion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaker Silver also said Thursday that with the stimulus money, the state's budget would likely grow from the proposed $121 billion to between $125 to $127 billion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Safir</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65035</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Safir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think the above spam-esque comments are exactly what&#039;s wrong with this debate: the opposition is framing it as the MTA&#039;s problem, forgetting that it&#039;s not just the MTA&#039;s problem - it&#039;s also the problem of everyone who rides transit.&quot;

Its not the MTA&#039;s problem.  They could care LESS.  The MTA ***IS*** the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I think the above spam-esque comments are exactly what's wrong with this debate: the opposition is framing it as the MTA's problem, forgetting that it's not just the MTA's problem - it's also the problem of everyone who rides transit."</p>
<p>Its not the MTA's problem.  They could care LESS.  The MTA ***IS*** the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Safir</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65031</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Safir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You strike me as someone who wants to screw the future so you can cash in and move out. People like that are wrecking the whole country. You want an argument to let public services to collapse that I can agree with? Here it is. I WANT TO SEPARATE MY MONEY FROM SELFISH PEOPLE LIKE YOU!&quot;

BTW - your not being to swift about more than the MTA.  I&#039;ve been living in Brooklyn and writing about it on the internet probably before you were full sentient as a human being and I&#039;ll likely still be hear after you can&#039;t take NYC anymore and leave for Las Vegas.

I wrote this in 1996 when you were likely still in Elementary School

http://www.brooklynonline.com/bkln.news/subway.xhtml

How to Play Three Card Monte and Win
The Story of a Subway Con Job
Glossary 3 Card Monte - a game of chance often played by sidewalk con-artist where 3 cards are placed face down on a surface like a card board box where the object is for the player to try to pick which card is the Ace of Spades. If the Con-Artist lets you bet, it is likely that you lost

Gov. George Pataki stole 220 million dollars from the MTA. Last year he took our money, which was part of the MTA&#039;s reserve fund, and balanced the NYS budget with it. This was money earned at the MTA at the turnstile. It was money which was earned after he pushed through a 25 cent increase in the subway fare. It was money largely earned by working poor NYC residents, who paid a full 80% plus of the the operating costs of the TA by the fare box. Our suburban neighbors paid about 50% of operating costs for suburban commuter rails.

So, make no mistake about it, last year, the working poor of New York City suffered a large tax increase to subsidize a state budget which gave Suburban New Yorkers discounted rail service.

One late night in October this reporter was waiting at the Atlantic Avenue IRT subway station on the southbound side. Long ago the Atlantic Ave. station had 2 extra staircases on the south end of the station. Currently they are locked up with bars. Out of boredom, I walked to the end of the station to see if I could see down the stairs at the relic of a previous generation.

I couldn&#039;t see anything down the stair, but I noticed 10-15 large garbage bags laid out on the platform behind the fence. As I was ready to walk away, I noticed movement in the front bag 10 feet away from me. I was startled, and froze for a moment. Then I looked closer and saw that there was definitely something moving in the garbage bag. And it was big and noisy. Then from another direction, I saw something else moving. It was a rat, 2 feet long, not including the tail. He stood on hind legs and gazed at me. It decided I was no threat, and then jumped into a hole in one of the bags. Then I noticed another and another.

Suddenly, it was like dawn breaking over the horizon, as I was able to see 15 or 20 rats behind that fence. They were brash, loud, and everywhere - just a few feet away from my position. It dawned on me that I was not safe standing where I was, and I slowly backed away from the fence, toward the center of the platform.

I was reminded at that moment, that one of the benefits of the recent fare hike was a cutback in service. There were less cleaning crews, less token booth clerks, and the MTA was experimenting with single man operated trains. The needed capital improvement plans, which looked so promising a decade ago when Bowling Green Station was refurbished, stalled at the Manhattan side of the east river. The promised new stations at Franklin Ave. and Nevins Street are never to be done. And rats had taken over Atlantic Ave. Meanwhile, Christapher Street in Greenwich Village is brand new, and the LIRR is enjoying a city subsidized discount.

Enter into this picture the Metro Card.

Every good execution of three card monte needs a slight of hand and a distraction which creates the right kind of confusion in the mind of the victim. The Metro Card was introduced in NYC early this year. The immediate effect of the card was to slow the turnstile down as the mechanical device which took a token was converted to a computer registered device. The new turnstile hesitates before allowing the passenger to pass through. The days of running down the stairs as the train rolls in, throwing a token in the turnstile while in full motion, and running through the stile as the train doors threaten to close, is now as much part of the past as Ebbets Field. Now, the rider has two choices at the turnstile. He either waits for the computer to recognize his payment, which is about 1 second after entering the token, or he jumps the turnstile.

Since most of us won&#039;t jump the turnstile, waiting is the only option. Multiply this delay by 100,000 riders at Grand Central Station at 5 PM weekdays, and the result is delays at the station which we have already learned to take for granted.

The Metro Card slows things down even further as a certain percentage of sweeps of the card fail, causing the rider to double or triple swipe. The MTA has accomplished what the Department of transportation has been trying to do for a generation. They have effectively ended the &quot;Rush&quot; in &quot;Rush Hour&quot;.

The people of New York would have nothing to do with the Metro Cards. They were rejected them outright. So, in a desperate attempt to get the riding public to accept the Metro Card, The MTA offered Metro Gold - and a free Bus to Subway transfer. As a result of the free transfer, about 40% of the TA ridership gave the Metro Cards a chance. And some benefit has been seen for a few. But in the face of a 25 cent raise in the fare, steep cutbacks in service, the effective end of the Capital Improvement program, and the loss of $220,000,000 dollar to the State general fund, New Yorkers are way behind in the Subway fare game.

Now, facing another huge surplus in the MTA budget, our very experienced City Council President, and relentless Mayor pressed the Governor to give New Yorkers a 12 for 10 fare break. This would NOT be the same as rolling the fare back to $1.25, but it would at least give working New Yorkers the same weekly commuting cost as before the fare hike and what has become know as &quot;The Great Train Robbery&quot;.

The real benefit of the Metro Card to the MTA is the ease in which it will be able to raise fares in the future, and the hopeful elimination of token booth clerks, as people will be able to purchase Metro Cards from newsstands and for large quantities. It is common sense that the cost of circulating all those temporary Metro Cards will be more expensive than issuing tokens which outlive the fare price they were issued for. This is the same cost saving that the Federal Government hopes to reap by changing the paper dollar bill for a dollar coin. The coins, lasting longer, end up being cheaper. Of course, if the MTA keeps raising the fare every year, this savings is entirely lost. It ends up being cheaper to just not issue tokens at all, and issue only cheap Metro Cards. Then, when the fare is raised, the MTA has no front end cost of changing tokens. They just change the rate of reduction on the cards.

In light of this, the new proposal by the Governor for discount fare cards becomes exposed as a slight of hand. The Governor has set in motion the president that the fare can go up and down at whim with no consideration for the rider.

This is the Governors current plan:

    * $63.00 monthly passes:

      At current fare prices a daily commuter pays $60.00 a month for commuting IF he is never sick and there are no holidays that month. In reality, the average commuter pays less than this since there are holidays in most months, and people do take personal days off.

      Also - don&#039;t loose the card or get mugged.
    * $17.00 weekly passes

      Normal weekly fares cost $15.00 a week.

    * $4 daily passes

      Good for street messengers who might take the train 20 times a day delivering packages around Midtown

    * Half Price passes for people over 65.

      Seniors also already get a discounted fare.

    * Express Buses decreased from $4 to $3

      Wealthier upper middle class commuters who use express bus service get a no nonsense fare cut!

    * 11 rides for 10


There is very little benefit, if any, in this plan by the Governor except for the 11 for 10 plan. The Mayor is correct in his assessment of the situation. We need at minimum a straight - no nonsense 12 for 10 ride plan. Even better, we should shutdown this card game, return to the riding public it&#039;s $220,000,000 dollars, keep the bus to subway transfer, get rid of the Metro Card, reduce the fare back to $1.25 a ride, fund the needed capital improvements, give us back our token booth clerks and station cleaners, and improve service. Then the riders can be happy.

Now, only the rats at Atlantic Ave. are happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"You strike me as someone who wants to screw the future so you can cash in and move out. People like that are wrecking the whole country. You want an argument to let public services to collapse that I can agree with? Here it is. I WANT TO SEPARATE MY MONEY FROM SELFISH PEOPLE LIKE YOU!"</p>
<p>BTW - your not being to swift about more than the MTA.  I've been living in Brooklyn and writing about it on the internet probably before you were full sentient as a human being and I'll likely still be hear after you can't take NYC anymore and leave for Las Vegas.</p>
<p>I wrote this in 1996 when you were likely still in Elementary School</p>
<p><a href="http://www.brooklynonline.com/bkln.news/subway.xhtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.brooklynonline.com/bkln.news/subway.xhtml</a></p>
<p>How to Play Three Card Monte and Win<br />
The Story of a Subway Con Job<br />
Glossary 3 Card Monte - a game of chance often played by sidewalk con-artist where 3 cards are placed face down on a surface like a card board box where the object is for the player to try to pick which card is the Ace of Spades. If the Con-Artist lets you bet, it is likely that you lost</p>
<p>Gov. George Pataki stole 220 million dollars from the MTA. Last year he took our money, which was part of the MTA's reserve fund, and balanced the NYS budget with it. This was money earned at the MTA at the turnstile. It was money which was earned after he pushed through a 25 cent increase in the subway fare. It was money largely earned by working poor NYC residents, who paid a full 80% plus of the the operating costs of the TA by the fare box. Our suburban neighbors paid about 50% of operating costs for suburban commuter rails.</p>
<p>So, make no mistake about it, last year, the working poor of New York City suffered a large tax increase to subsidize a state budget which gave Suburban New Yorkers discounted rail service.</p>
<p>One late night in October this reporter was waiting at the Atlantic Avenue IRT subway station on the southbound side. Long ago the Atlantic Ave. station had 2 extra staircases on the south end of the station. Currently they are locked up with bars. Out of boredom, I walked to the end of the station to see if I could see down the stairs at the relic of a previous generation.</p>
<p>I couldn't see anything down the stair, but I noticed 10-15 large garbage bags laid out on the platform behind the fence. As I was ready to walk away, I noticed movement in the front bag 10 feet away from me. I was startled, and froze for a moment. Then I looked closer and saw that there was definitely something moving in the garbage bag. And it was big and noisy. Then from another direction, I saw something else moving. It was a rat, 2 feet long, not including the tail. He stood on hind legs and gazed at me. It decided I was no threat, and then jumped into a hole in one of the bags. Then I noticed another and another.</p>
<p>Suddenly, it was like dawn breaking over the horizon, as I was able to see 15 or 20 rats behind that fence. They were brash, loud, and everywhere - just a few feet away from my position. It dawned on me that I was not safe standing where I was, and I slowly backed away from the fence, toward the center of the platform.</p>
<p>I was reminded at that moment, that one of the benefits of the recent fare hike was a cutback in service. There were less cleaning crews, less token booth clerks, and the MTA was experimenting with single man operated trains. The needed capital improvement plans, which looked so promising a decade ago when Bowling Green Station was refurbished, stalled at the Manhattan side of the east river. The promised new stations at Franklin Ave. and Nevins Street are never to be done. And rats had taken over Atlantic Ave. Meanwhile, Christapher Street in Greenwich Village is brand new, and the LIRR is enjoying a city subsidized discount.</p>
<p>Enter into this picture the Metro Card.</p>
<p>Every good execution of three card monte needs a slight of hand and a distraction which creates the right kind of confusion in the mind of the victim. The Metro Card was introduced in NYC early this year. The immediate effect of the card was to slow the turnstile down as the mechanical device which took a token was converted to a computer registered device. The new turnstile hesitates before allowing the passenger to pass through. The days of running down the stairs as the train rolls in, throwing a token in the turnstile while in full motion, and running through the stile as the train doors threaten to close, is now as much part of the past as Ebbets Field. Now, the rider has two choices at the turnstile. He either waits for the computer to recognize his payment, which is about 1 second after entering the token, or he jumps the turnstile.</p>
<p>Since most of us won't jump the turnstile, waiting is the only option. Multiply this delay by 100,000 riders at Grand Central Station at 5 PM weekdays, and the result is delays at the station which we have already learned to take for granted.</p>
<p>The Metro Card slows things down even further as a certain percentage of sweeps of the card fail, causing the rider to double or triple swipe. The MTA has accomplished what the Department of transportation has been trying to do for a generation. They have effectively ended the "Rush" in "Rush Hour".</p>
<p>The people of New York would have nothing to do with the Metro Cards. They were rejected them outright. So, in a desperate attempt to get the riding public to accept the Metro Card, The MTA offered Metro Gold - and a free Bus to Subway transfer. As a result of the free transfer, about 40% of the TA ridership gave the Metro Cards a chance. And some benefit has been seen for a few. But in the face of a 25 cent raise in the fare, steep cutbacks in service, the effective end of the Capital Improvement program, and the loss of $220,000,000 dollar to the State general fund, New Yorkers are way behind in the Subway fare game.</p>
<p>Now, facing another huge surplus in the MTA budget, our very experienced City Council President, and relentless Mayor pressed the Governor to give New Yorkers a 12 for 10 fare break. This would NOT be the same as rolling the fare back to $1.25, but it would at least give working New Yorkers the same weekly commuting cost as before the fare hike and what has become know as "The Great Train Robbery".</p>
<p>The real benefit of the Metro Card to the MTA is the ease in which it will be able to raise fares in the future, and the hopeful elimination of token booth clerks, as people will be able to purchase Metro Cards from newsstands and for large quantities. It is common sense that the cost of circulating all those temporary Metro Cards will be more expensive than issuing tokens which outlive the fare price they were issued for. This is the same cost saving that the Federal Government hopes to reap by changing the paper dollar bill for a dollar coin. The coins, lasting longer, end up being cheaper. Of course, if the MTA keeps raising the fare every year, this savings is entirely lost. It ends up being cheaper to just not issue tokens at all, and issue only cheap Metro Cards. Then, when the fare is raised, the MTA has no front end cost of changing tokens. They just change the rate of reduction on the cards.</p>
<p>In light of this, the new proposal by the Governor for discount fare cards becomes exposed as a slight of hand. The Governor has set in motion the president that the fare can go up and down at whim with no consideration for the rider.</p>
<p>This is the Governors current plan:</p>
<p>    * $63.00 monthly passes:</p>
<p>      At current fare prices a daily commuter pays $60.00 a month for commuting IF he is never sick and there are no holidays that month. In reality, the average commuter pays less than this since there are holidays in most months, and people do take personal days off.</p>
<p>      Also - don't loose the card or get mugged.<br />
    * $17.00 weekly passes</p>
<p>      Normal weekly fares cost $15.00 a week.</p>
<p>    * $4 daily passes</p>
<p>      Good for street messengers who might take the train 20 times a day delivering packages around Midtown</p>
<p>    * Half Price passes for people over 65.</p>
<p>      Seniors also already get a discounted fare.</p>
<p>    * Express Buses decreased from $4 to $3</p>
<p>      Wealthier upper middle class commuters who use express bus service get a no nonsense fare cut!</p>
<p>    * 11 rides for 10</p>
<p>There is very little benefit, if any, in this plan by the Governor except for the 11 for 10 plan. The Mayor is correct in his assessment of the situation. We need at minimum a straight - no nonsense 12 for 10 ride plan. Even better, we should shutdown this card game, return to the riding public it's $220,000,000 dollars, keep the bus to subway transfer, get rid of the Metro Card, reduce the fare back to $1.25 a ride, fund the needed capital improvements, give us back our token booth clerks and station cleaners, and improve service. Then the riders can be happy.</p>
<p>Now, only the rats at Atlantic Ave. are happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Safir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruben Safir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry - is 15.2 Billion Dollars for an LIRR extention worth more than full time and safe rail service on the W and G lines?  If the Subway is so cheap to run why does it take 2 years to fix a switch on the Brighton Line at Prospect Park Station?  Its not rocket science unless you make it so.


Ruben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry - is 15.2 Billion Dollars for an LIRR extention worth more than full time and safe rail service on the W and G lines?  If the Subway is so cheap to run why does it take 2 years to fix a switch on the Brighton Line at Prospect Park Station?  Its not rocket science unless you make it so.</p>
<p>Ruben</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo Safir, go back through a few years of links on my blog on Room Eight and download a few spreadsheets if you want to know on what categories of public services NY&#039;s spending is high.

NYCT has one of the lowest costs per vehicle mile in the country.  The total non-fare cost of transit is high because the transit system is big and past costs have been deferred, not because the transit system is wasteful (at least not in NYC)?

NY Spending is sky high on:

Medicaid, particularly for senior citizens and hospitals. 

Schools, outside NYC.

Police, inside NYC and on Long Island.

Pensions, because the employees contribute less here than anywhere else, and get to retire sooner with richer deals even as they live longer.

Debts, because the state has been run by those cashing in and moving out.  Not just MTA debts, either.

That&#039;s where NY&#039;s above average taxes as a share of its residents&#039; income go.  And if you are worried about waste, that&#039;s where to look first.

Major transit improvements have been made all over the country.  There have been fewer here than just about anywhere in recent decades.

You strike me as someone who wants to screw the future so you can cash in and move out.  People like that are wrecking the whole country.  You want an argument to let public services to collapse that I can agree with?  Here it is.  I WANT TO SEPARATE MY MONEY FROM SELFISH PEOPLE LIKE YOU!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo Safir, go back through a few years of links on my blog on Room Eight and download a few spreadsheets if you want to know on what categories of public services NY's spending is high.</p>
<p>NYCT has one of the lowest costs per vehicle mile in the country.  The total non-fare cost of transit is high because the transit system is big and past costs have been deferred, not because the transit system is wasteful (at least not in NYC)?</p>
<p>NY Spending is sky high on:</p>
<p>Medicaid, particularly for senior citizens and hospitals. </p>
<p>Schools, outside NYC.</p>
<p>Police, inside NYC and on Long Island.</p>
<p>Pensions, because the employees contribute less here than anywhere else, and get to retire sooner with richer deals even as they live longer.</p>
<p>Debts, because the state has been run by those cashing in and moving out.  Not just MTA debts, either.</p>
<p>That's where NY's above average taxes as a share of its residents' income go.  And if you are worried about waste, that's where to look first.</p>
<p>Major transit improvements have been made all over the country.  There have been fewer here than just about anywhere in recent decades.</p>
<p>You strike me as someone who wants to screw the future so you can cash in and move out.  People like that are wrecking the whole country.  You want an argument to let public services to collapse that I can agree with?  Here it is.  I WANT TO SEPARATE MY MONEY FROM SELFISH PEOPLE LIKE YOU!</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Safir</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65027</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Safir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, every citizen of this city needs to come to understand the
basic facts of the MTA. It is an independent authority chartered under
New York State Law which has no over site. It has an independent agenda.
That agenda benefits the MTA, and is not designed to benefit New
Yorkers. The MTA is not our friend, nor does it respond to our needs,
and most of all it does not respond to public pressure or scrutiny. It
borrows money and leaves the bills for the taxpayer and straphangers. It
subsidizes suburban growth, and leaves the bill for the inner city
working class. It buys glitzy toys, like underground radio systems, a
connection for the LIRR to Grand Central Station along with the building
of a new level at the terminal, it buys a new extension of the 7 train to
the Javits Center, new cars with digital signage, elevators, and electronic
billboards, it builds a completely uneeded new station complex at Fulton
Street to bribe politicians who can&#039;t figure out how to rebuild the WTC,
but it ignores basic safety and traffic needs like switches and steel rails,
station maintenance, and subway cars with enough signs to know what
train your hoping on without needing to look over the platform with the
train arriving. And then they spend hundreds of millions of dollars to
preach to us. Don’t run up the escalator, Don’t lean over the platform
(so then how do we know what train is coming since they have removed
most of the side car signage), don’t walk between cars (which was really
useful at stopping over crowding for nearly a hundred years before some
idiot decided it was too dangerous), pick up your trash, and give your
seat to a pregnant women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, every citizen of this city needs to come to understand the<br />
basic facts of the MTA. It is an independent authority chartered under<br />
New York State Law which has no over site. It has an independent agenda.<br />
That agenda benefits the MTA, and is not designed to benefit New<br />
Yorkers. The MTA is not our friend, nor does it respond to our needs,<br />
and most of all it does not respond to public pressure or scrutiny. It<br />
borrows money and leaves the bills for the taxpayer and straphangers. It<br />
subsidizes suburban growth, and leaves the bill for the inner city<br />
working class. It buys glitzy toys, like underground radio systems, a<br />
connection for the LIRR to Grand Central Station along with the building<br />
of a new level at the terminal, it buys a new extension of the 7 train to<br />
the Javits Center, new cars with digital signage, elevators, and electronic<br />
billboards, it builds a completely uneeded new station complex at Fulton<br />
Street to bribe politicians who can't figure out how to rebuild the WTC,<br />
but it ignores basic safety and traffic needs like switches and steel rails,<br />
station maintenance, and subway cars with enough signs to know what<br />
train your hoping on without needing to look over the platform with the<br />
train arriving. And then they spend hundreds of millions of dollars to<br />
preach to us. Don’t run up the escalator, Don’t lean over the platform<br />
(so then how do we know what train is coming since they have removed<br />
most of the side car signage), don’t walk between cars (which was really<br />
useful at stopping over crowding for nearly a hundred years before some<br />
idiot decided it was too dangerous), pick up your trash, and give your<br />
seat to a pregnant women.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Safir</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65026</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Safir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We estimate that it will cost in the range of $50 to $60 billion to
complete these investments. Here&#039;s the problem, we&#039;ve only identified $5
billion in available funds,&quot; said Joel Ettinger, New York Metropolitan
Transportation Council.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"We estimate that it will cost in the range of $50 to $60 billion to<br />
complete these investments. Here's the problem, we've only identified $5<br />
billion in available funds," said Joel Ettinger, New York Metropolitan<br />
Transportation Council.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Safir</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65025</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Safir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Everyone predicted it, and it came true with a vengeance,&quot; Gene
Russianoff, of the city&#039;s Straphangers&#039; Campaign, said Tuesday,
following a news conference with Gov. David A. Paterson aimed at
prodding state senators to act on a painful new revenue plan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Everyone predicted it, and it came true with a vengeance," Gene<br />
Russianoff, of the city's Straphangers' Campaign, said Tuesday,<br />
following a news conference with Gov. David A. Paterson aimed at<br />
prodding state senators to act on a painful new revenue plan</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Safir</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65024</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Safir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is a familiar one for the authority. Similar hand-wringing
accompanied the passage of the authority’s current $19 billion capital
program for 2000 to 2004. In the end, much of that program was paid for
by bonds, repaid out of riders’ fares. But that has left the authority
facing a mountain of debt. Payments coming due on that debt are at the
core of the authority’s struggle with its operating budget.

As Gene Russianoff, a staff lawyer for the Straphangers Campaign, a
transit advocacy group, put it, “Their credit card is maxed out.”

Authority officials have made clear that issuing more debt, paid for by
riders, would be extremely difficult, if not impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is a familiar one for the authority. Similar hand-wringing<br />
accompanied the passage of the authority’s current $19 billion capital<br />
program for 2000 to 2004. In the end, much of that program was paid for<br />
by bonds, repaid out of riders’ fares. But that has left the authority<br />
facing a mountain of debt. Payments coming due on that debt are at the<br />
core of the authority’s struggle with its operating budget.</p>
<p>As Gene Russianoff, a staff lawyer for the Straphangers Campaign, a<br />
transit advocacy group, put it, “Their credit card is maxed out.”</p>
<p>Authority officials have made clear that issuing more debt, paid for by<br />
riders, would be extremely difficult, if not impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Safir</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65023</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Safir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the MTA can tell Foley why it spend 1.2 billion dollars to give the L train a system that tells you when the next train will come when they would have to cut the service in half to pay for it?

Ruben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the MTA can tell Foley why it spend 1.2 billion dollars to give the L train a system that tells you when the next train will come when they would have to cut the service in half to pay for it?</p>
<p>Ruben</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65021</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Foley can ask Ruben Diaz why he voted so many times for budgets that forced the MTA to choose between cutting service, raising fares and borrowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Foley can ask Ruben Diaz why he voted so many times for budgets that forced the MTA to choose between cutting service, raising fares and borrowing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Safir</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65019</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Safir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>State Sen. Brian Foley&#039;s office yesterday cited data showing how MTA
debt service payments of $609 million in 1996 have spiked to a forecast
$1.5 billion in 2009. That works out to an estimated $125 million per
month, said Ibrahim Kahn, spokesman for Foley (D-Blue Point).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>State Sen. Brian Foley's office yesterday cited data showing how MTA<br />
debt service payments of $609 million in 1996 have spiked to a forecast<br />
$1.5 billion in 2009. That works out to an estimated $125 million per<br />
month, said Ibrahim Kahn, spokesman for Foley (D-Blue Point).</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Safir</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65018</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Safir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the projects will take years to complete. East Side Access, the
project to link the Long Island Rail Roadâ€™s Main and Port Washington
lines to a new terminal beneath Grand Central Terminal, is now projected
to be completed by 2015, with a price tag of $15.2 billion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the projects will take years to complete. East Side Access, the<br />
project to link the Long Island Rail Roadâ€™s Main and Port Washington<br />
lines to a new terminal beneath Grand Central Terminal, is now projected<br />
to be completed by 2015, with a price tag of $15.2 billion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben Safir</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/20/huge-coalition-lines-up-behind-ravitchs-mta-rescue-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-65017</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben Safir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A third big M.T.A. project, the Fulton Street Transit Center, has had a
troubled history. The project, a block from the World Trade Center site,
was originally financed by the federal government with $750 million
designated for rebuilding Lower Manhattan after 9/11. But costs kept
rising, and last January the authority said that while work would
continue on the underground portions of the project, it could no longer
afford to move ahead with the above-ground structure. Now the M.T.A.
hopes to use $497 million in federal stimulus money to complete the
project. The date is uncertain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A third big M.T.A. project, the Fulton Street Transit Center, has had a<br />
troubled history. The project, a block from the World Trade Center site,<br />
was originally financed by the federal government with $750 million<br />
designated for rebuilding Lower Manhattan after 9/11. But costs kept<br />
rising, and last January the authority said that while work would<br />
continue on the underground portions of the project, it could no longer<br />
afford to move ahead with the above-ground structure. Now the M.T.A.<br />
hopes to use $497 million in federal stimulus money to complete the<br />
project. The date is uncertain.</p>
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