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	<title>Comments on: Schluffing or Dorklocross?</title>
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		<title>By: gary fisher</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/19/schluffing-or-dorklocross/comment-page-1/#comment-64957</link>
		<dc:creator>gary fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip

I think you missed the major point.  Which is we as cyclists need to be courteous to other road users especially pedestrians.  Doing the opposite would be like beating some other ethnic group that is also oppressed to try and combat Jim Crow laws.  Being rude when we ride will help nothing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip</p>
<p>I think you missed the major point.  Which is we as cyclists need to be courteous to other road users especially pedestrians.  Doing the opposite would be like beating some other ethnic group that is also oppressed to try and combat Jim Crow laws.  Being rude when we ride will help nothing!</p>
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		<title>By: jonesy</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/19/schluffing-or-dorklocross/comment-page-1/#comment-64937</link>
		<dc:creator>jonesy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever, Sullivan is a total tool, but BSNOB takes this years Schluffy award for starting a column for serotta-catalog-and-ab-workout-compendium Bicycling Magazine.  Seriously: what the hell is going on here? I&#039;m not talking about selling out as the worst thing in the world, but the Snob has for years now been deriding the problem of when cycling superficiality overrides the dirty, varied daily life of riding... and now he joins Bicycling Magazine, the bicycling equivalent of an airline &quot;magazine&quot; that&#039;s always in the back of the the seat in front of you?  Pretty pathetic, but I suppose he&#039;s been going down for a while... and needs a new audience that finds the hilarious commentary on knuckle tattoos and fixie skinny jeans something refreshing and very alternative. sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever, Sullivan is a total tool, but BSNOB takes this years Schluffy award for starting a column for serotta-catalog-and-ab-workout-compendium Bicycling Magazine.  Seriously: what the hell is going on here? I'm not talking about selling out as the worst thing in the world, but the Snob has for years now been deriding the problem of when cycling superficiality overrides the dirty, varied daily life of riding... and now he joins Bicycling Magazine, the bicycling equivalent of an airline "magazine" that's always in the back of the the seat in front of you?  Pretty pathetic, but I suppose he's been going down for a while... and needs a new audience that finds the hilarious commentary on knuckle tattoos and fixie skinny jeans something refreshing and very alternative. sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Marcos</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/19/schluffing-or-dorklocross/comment-page-1/#comment-64928</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel Marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sullivan&#039;s article made some valid points but I agree with the previous posters about the title and photograph: the first impression one gets before reading the article transmits nothing but cycling nuts and crazies causing havoc on the road and endangering people&#039;s cars and lives. For such civilized writing it&#039;s a raw and angry setting.

For a lot of people, unfortunately, the article&#039;s point becomes distorted and in some cases lost. Thus, another lost opportunity to civilize the conversation around biking in the city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sullivan's article made some valid points but I agree with the previous posters about the title and photograph: the first impression one gets before reading the article transmits nothing but cycling nuts and crazies causing havoc on the road and endangering people's cars and lives. For such civilized writing it's a raw and angry setting.</p>
<p>For a lot of people, unfortunately, the article's point becomes distorted and in some cases lost. Thus, another lost opportunity to civilize the conversation around biking in the city.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/19/schluffing-or-dorklocross/comment-page-1/#comment-64927</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 04:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/09/for-cyclists-its-a-pr-war-out-there/#comment-64391&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;agree with Angus&lt;/a&gt; (and not just because of the rad name). I categorically reject the idea that I have to behave well in order to &#039;bring my people up.&#039;
That&#039;s a bunch of Uncle Toms saying &quot;the South will repeal Jim Crow as soon as we get less uppity.&quot; Ain&#039;t going to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/09/for-cyclists-its-a-pr-war-out-there/#comment-64391" rel="nofollow">agree with Angus</a> (and not just because of the rad name). I categorically reject the idea that I have to behave well in order to 'bring my people up.'<br />
That's a bunch of Uncle Toms saying "the South will repeal Jim Crow as soon as we get less uppity." Ain't going to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash Hurley</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/19/schluffing-or-dorklocross/comment-page-1/#comment-64922</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash Hurley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 02:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

I am happy to read the comments from all these guys with their chamois in a knot over this schluffing business. Could there be a clearer semiotic that NYC is hitting on all eight cylinders and has virtually run out of actual problems than this keening blog thread? 

So, way to go, NYC. And kudos to you, Bob, for teasing this otherwise hidden evidence of a high-functioning city out of something as seemingly innocuous as schluffing. Brilliant!

A.H.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>I am happy to read the comments from all these guys with their chamois in a knot over this schluffing business. Could there be a clearer semiotic that NYC is hitting on all eight cylinders and has virtually run out of actual problems than this keening blog thread? </p>
<p>So, way to go, NYC. And kudos to you, Bob, for teasing this otherwise hidden evidence of a high-functioning city out of something as seemingly innocuous as schluffing. Brilliant!</p>
<p>A.H.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I regularly drive an automobile on the sidewalk, but it&#039;s cool cuz I open the door and put my foot on the ground.</description>
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		<title>By: CBrinkman</title>
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		<dc:creator>CBrinkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny stuff.  Love the Bike Snob, love StreetsBlog - I&#039;ve have learned good stuff from both, but I laugh more at BikeSnob. I agree with Gary that we need to act towards peds the way we wish cars would act towards us. 

So not the bike snob, but giggle about hipster cysts at least once a week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny stuff.  Love the Bike Snob, love StreetsBlog - I've have learned good stuff from both, but I laugh more at BikeSnob. I agree with Gary that we need to act towards peds the way we wish cars would act towards us. </p>
<p>So not the bike snob, but giggle about hipster cysts at least once a week.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/19/schluffing-or-dorklocross/comment-page-1/#comment-64913</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not the Bike Snob, but I agree with him (or her, to be fair) that the tone on this blog can be smug and self-righteous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not the Bike Snob, but I agree with him (or her, to be fair) that the tone on this blog can be smug and self-righteous.</p>
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		<title>By: Raiyn</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/19/schluffing-or-dorklocross/comment-page-1/#comment-64912</link>
		<dc:creator>Raiyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 on calling it Dorklocross.  Unless you&#039;re a kid, get off the sidewalk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 on calling it Dorklocross.  Unless you're a kid, get off the sidewalk.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan H.</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/19/schluffing-or-dorklocross/comment-page-1/#comment-64910</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;my discounted vote for title was &#039;Why They Hate Us&#039;&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/09/for-cyclists-its-a-pr-war-out-there/#comment-64391&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Angus has convincingly argued&lt;/a&gt; that the article&#039;s thesis is flawed (shall members of disrespected immigrant groups also pitch collective mea culpas to the city paper?), but it was the packaging that was most damaging. I well understand that headlines and art are not something writers can directly control, but it is something they can anticipate and avoid. As should have been expected the piece lead with an outrageous messeger-in-crosswalk photo (crossing signal suspiciously indistinct) and teaser that put the negative generalization about uncivil &quot;bikers&quot; in no uncertain terms. This was at the top of the city homepage for days and the topic predictably spread through NYC media last week, sparking jeremiads against &quot;bikers&quot; wherever a comment box or call-in number was available. I even had to defend my own riding because of this generalizing article, in a conversation that had been until that moment friendly and without prejudicial accusation.

From one dork on a bicycle to another: Please don&#039;t do this again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"my discounted vote for title was 'Why They Hate Us'"</p>
<p><a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/09/for-cyclists-its-a-pr-war-out-there/#comment-64391" rel="nofollow">Angus has convincingly argued</a> that the article's thesis is flawed (shall members of disrespected immigrant groups also pitch collective mea culpas to the city paper?), but it was the packaging that was most damaging. I well understand that headlines and art are not something writers can directly control, but it is something they can anticipate and avoid. As should have been expected the piece lead with an outrageous messeger-in-crosswalk photo (crossing signal suspiciously indistinct) and teaser that put the negative generalization about uncivil "bikers" in no uncertain terms. This was at the top of the city homepage for days and the topic predictably spread through NYC media last week, sparking jeremiads against "bikers" wherever a comment box or call-in number was available. I even had to defend my own riding because of this generalizing article, in a conversation that had been until that moment friendly and without prejudicial accusation.</p>
<p>From one dork on a bicycle to another: Please don't do this again.</p>
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		<title>By: marc OLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>marc OLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that I haven&#039;t laughed in my life as much as I did today reading the splendidly hilarious post by Mr. Naparstek and then the riposte by Mr. Sullivan. We should all be grateful that such a gifted writer chooses to write about bicycling; we all benefit therefrom. 
How great also that Odysseus is invoked, one of the most wronged-by dudes in the last 3,000 years! I dare say that Homer himself would have confessed that Odysseus was the biggest dork of them all, or at least possessed same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I haven't laughed in my life as much as I did today reading the splendidly hilarious post by Mr. Naparstek and then the riposte by Mr. Sullivan. We should all be grateful that such a gifted writer chooses to write about bicycling; we all benefit therefrom.<br />
How great also that Odysseus is invoked, one of the most wronged-by dudes in the last 3,000 years! I dare say that Homer himself would have confessed that Odysseus was the biggest dork of them all, or at least possessed same.</p>
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		<title>By: CR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What time does Daft Punk go on?</description>
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		<title>By: Ashcan Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashcan Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it March 25th yet?</description>
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		<title>By: bike snob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bike snob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may or may no be bikesnob.</description>
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		<title>By: gary fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets remember that are all people just trying to use the roads together.  So as bikers, cyclists, riders, shoers, trainers, or whatever you call yourself we need to share the road.  Some of the comments above about dangerous Jaywalkers sound way too similar to popular claims by motorists about bikes and pedestrians making the roads dangerous for them!  

We all need to be respectful on the road to everyone no matter how they are getting around or what kind of bike they are riding(especially this one, how can we claim to advocate bikes and complain about hybrids?).
  
If we really want to safe on the streets yield to more vulnerable users; cars yield to bikes who yield to peds for yield to children I guess.  If everyone on the road is looking out for everyone else instead of themselves then you will have tens or hundreds or people looking out for you but if people just look out for themselves there will be only one person on the street who concerned for your safety.

This bickering is really a waste of time and counterproductive.

I&#039;m the bike snob?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets remember that are all people just trying to use the roads together.  So as bikers, cyclists, riders, shoers, trainers, or whatever you call yourself we need to share the road.  Some of the comments above about dangerous Jaywalkers sound way too similar to popular claims by motorists about bikes and pedestrians making the roads dangerous for them!  </p>
<p>We all need to be respectful on the road to everyone no matter how they are getting around or what kind of bike they are riding(especially this one, how can we claim to advocate bikes and complain about hybrids?).</p>
<p>If we really want to safe on the streets yield to more vulnerable users; cars yield to bikes who yield to peds for yield to children I guess.  If everyone on the road is looking out for everyone else instead of themselves then you will have tens or hundreds or people looking out for you but if people just look out for themselves there will be only one person on the street who concerned for your safety.</p>
<p>This bickering is really a waste of time and counterproductive.</p>
<p>I'm the bike snob?</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is that I have some great evidence of Bike Snob leaving the back of Lance Armstrong&#039;s SUV the day the mayor announced Summer Streets last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is that I have some great evidence of Bike Snob leaving the back of Lance Armstrong's SUV the day the mayor announced Summer Streets last year.</p>
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		<title>By: R Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>R Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A clarification from the dork, aka Sullivan: people keep saying, or commenting, that my feelings are hurt. They are not. I am amazed and pleased that people are discussing bike etiquette. Also, because it&#039;s too much fun, I am not NOT Bikesnob.
R Sullivan
http://thethoreauyoudontknow.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A clarification from the dork, aka Sullivan: people keep saying, or commenting, that my feelings are hurt. They are not. I am amazed and pleased that people are discussing bike etiquette. Also, because it's too much fun, I am not NOT Bikesnob.<br />
R Sullivan<br />
<a href="http://thethoreauyoudontknow.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://thethoreauyoudontknow.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: geck</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/19/schluffing-or-dorklocross/comment-page-1/#comment-64890</link>
		<dc:creator>geck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with J. Maybe the humor is just to subtle in this age of overly snarky snob blogs.</description>
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		<title>By: Wes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe Ricky Irvine spelled breaks as brakes - tradition has it that the mispelling goes the other way.

Recruiting Bikesnob commenters is a great way of boosting your own comments section as they are many.

And maybe you should actually read the blog and see how many times I, I mean he says something praising a fixed gear fetishist or indeed a dentist.

Only the true Bikesnob would deny his divinity.  I am not Bikesnob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't believe Ricky Irvine spelled breaks as brakes - tradition has it that the mispelling goes the other way.</p>
<p>Recruiting Bikesnob commenters is a great way of boosting your own comments section as they are many.</p>
<p>And maybe you should actually read the blog and see how many times I, I mean he says something praising a fixed gear fetishist or indeed a dentist.</p>
<p>Only the true Bikesnob would deny his divinity.  I am not Bikesnob.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sullivan, I found both your video and comment hilarious.  No worries, your humor (and well-made points) come through clearly, for those of us dorky enough to see through the waves of coolness emanating out from the fixed-gearheads passing us by.

Yours, 
A cycling dork</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sullivan, I found both your video and comment hilarious.  No worries, your humor (and well-made points) come through clearly, for those of us dorky enough to see through the waves of coolness emanating out from the fixed-gearheads passing us by.</p>
<p>Yours,<br />
A cycling dork</p>
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