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	<title>Comments on: Obama: America &#8220;Cannot Walk Away&#8221; From the Automobile</title>
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		<title>By: herenthere</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/25/obama-america-cannot-walk-away-from-the-automobile/comment-page-1/#comment-63713</link>
		<dc:creator>herenthere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Automobiles maybe destined for other forms of energy (flying solar-powered?!) so I don&#039;t think we should completely abandon it. However, I hope that Obama&#039;s hint that we can&#039;t &quot;abandon&quot; the auto industry was merely a political ploy with the GOP as well as with the auto companies and its workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Automobiles maybe destined for other forms of energy (flying solar-powered?!) so I don't think we should completely abandon it. However, I hope that Obama's hint that we can't "abandon" the auto industry was merely a political ploy with the GOP as well as with the auto companies and its workers.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/25/obama-america-cannot-walk-away-from-the-automobile/comment-page-1/#comment-63692</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah.  One more thing.

We may not have invented the automobile but we sure did perfect how to build a society that is totally dominated and subjugated by it.  Unfortunately much of the industrializing Third World is following our lead directly into this trap.

This is what we need to &quot;walk away&quot; from, not the industry and car itself.  The car is a very useful tool as long as it is used wisely and made more clean and sustainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah.  One more thing.</p>
<p>We may not have invented the automobile but we sure did perfect how to build a society that is totally dominated and subjugated by it.  Unfortunately much of the industrializing Third World is following our lead directly into this trap.</p>
<p>This is what we need to "walk away" from, not the industry and car itself.  The car is a very useful tool as long as it is used wisely and made more clean and sustainable.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/25/obama-america-cannot-walk-away-from-the-automobile/comment-page-1/#comment-63685</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As some already pointed out, the country that did indeed invent the automobile (Germany) has been able to find a way to balance the convenience of the car with, the needs of those to use rail, mass transit, walking and biking.  Its all about balance and making sure that the most appropriate form of transportation is the most convenient to use for a specific application.

If one needs to get to a job only two miles away, it should be obvious to all that a bike is the best, most convenient and appropriate means of transportation.  Within a mile it must be walking.  Into a major dense metro area, train and mass transit.  If you live on a farm in the rural Midwest and its 25 miles into town then yes; its best and most appropriate to do that trip in a car!  In most of America unfortunately we are far from this balance and the automobile is all too often the only means for even the shortest trips.  

I can tell you from countless trips to Germany that is not the case there.  Germans love their automobiles and its industry as much as most of America.  They would never abandon it.  Talks of the German government helping to bail our Opel (GM&#039;s German subsidiary) show this.  However because the German government is looking to help out its auto industry doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s abandoning sustainable transportation.  Far from it.

As in Germany we in America need to find that balance.  Heck!  We&#039;ll need trucks and other vehicles to build the sustainable transportation infrastructure of the future.  I know I want those vehicles made here in America!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As some already pointed out, the country that did indeed invent the automobile (Germany) has been able to find a way to balance the convenience of the car with, the needs of those to use rail, mass transit, walking and biking.  Its all about balance and making sure that the most appropriate form of transportation is the most convenient to use for a specific application.</p>
<p>If one needs to get to a job only two miles away, it should be obvious to all that a bike is the best, most convenient and appropriate means of transportation.  Within a mile it must be walking.  Into a major dense metro area, train and mass transit.  If you live on a farm in the rural Midwest and its 25 miles into town then yes; its best and most appropriate to do that trip in a car!  In most of America unfortunately we are far from this balance and the automobile is all too often the only means for even the shortest trips.  </p>
<p>I can tell you from countless trips to Germany that is not the case there.  Germans love their automobiles and its industry as much as most of America.  They would never abandon it.  Talks of the German government helping to bail our Opel (GM's German subsidiary) show this.  However because the German government is looking to help out its auto industry doesn't mean it's abandoning sustainable transportation.  Far from it.</p>
<p>As in Germany we in America need to find that balance.  Heck!  We'll need trucks and other vehicles to build the sustainable transportation infrastructure of the future.  I know I want those vehicles made here in America!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/25/obama-america-cannot-walk-away-from-the-automobile/comment-page-1/#comment-63675</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

The implication is that we could get rid of the automobile and cut our work week by 10%. How is that a bad thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>The implication is that we could get rid of the automobile and cut our work week by 10%. How is that a bad thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Omri</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/25/obama-america-cannot-walk-away-from-the-automobile/comment-page-1/#comment-63663</link>
		<dc:creator>Omri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The auto workers are the buggy whip makers of our day. We should help them find other work, but to tell them that we have their backs is to tell a lie. We don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The auto workers are the buggy whip makers of our day. We should help them find other work, but to tell them that we have their backs is to tell a lie. We don't.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Marcos</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/25/obama-america-cannot-walk-away-from-the-automobile/comment-page-1/#comment-63632</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel Marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t able to watch so I read the transcript. When I read that phrase I thought to myself, wow, I would encourage people to do precisely that, WALK away from their cars, as much as possible if not totally.

If he had suggested as much, there would be an uproar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn't able to watch so I read the transcript. When I read that phrase I thought to myself, wow, I would encourage people to do precisely that, WALK away from their cars, as much as possible if not totally.</p>
<p>If he had suggested as much, there would be an uproar.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhywun</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/25/obama-america-cannot-walk-away-from-the-automobile/comment-page-1/#comment-63590</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhywun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the fact is that 1 job in 10 in the US is dependent in some form or other on the auto industry&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So what? We didn&#039;t prop up other kinds of manufacturing when it all moved to China. We&#039;re trying to prop up agriculture, with mixed results. The government is not a jobs program, and the longer we prop up failing business models the longer it takes to move on to something more productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the fact is that 1 job in 10 in the US is dependent in some form or other on the auto industry</p></blockquote>
<p>So what? We didn't prop up other kinds of manufacturing when it all moved to China. We're trying to prop up agriculture, with mixed results. The government is not a jobs program, and the longer we prop up failing business models the longer it takes to move on to something more productive.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/25/obama-america-cannot-walk-away-from-the-automobile/comment-page-1/#comment-63589</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to see how many jobs transit generates, versus how many jobs cars generate, using some kind of common denominator like VMT. Does anyone have any figures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to see how many jobs transit generates, versus how many jobs cars generate, using some kind of common denominator like VMT. Does anyone have any figures?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/25/obama-america-cannot-walk-away-from-the-automobile/comment-page-1/#comment-63580</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I would like a more balanced transportation system in the US, the fact is that 1 job in 10 in the US is dependent in some form or other on the auto industry. It&#039;s not just the auto manufacturers, it&#039;s the companies that supply parts to the auto manufacturers, and the companies that supply parts to those parts suppliers, the companies that supply the raw materials to those companies, the companies that supply services to all of those companies (cleaning, maintenance, etc.) and the companies that sell supplies and equipment to all of those companies (computers, copiers, paper towels, etc.). It&#039;s the stores and restaraunts where the workers at these companies spend their wages. It&#039;s the property and payroll taxes these companies pay. These are the things the US can&#039;t just &quot;walk away from&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I would like a more balanced transportation system in the US, the fact is that 1 job in 10 in the US is dependent in some form or other on the auto industry. It's not just the auto manufacturers, it's the companies that supply parts to the auto manufacturers, and the companies that supply parts to those parts suppliers, the companies that supply the raw materials to those companies, the companies that supply services to all of those companies (cleaning, maintenance, etc.) and the companies that sell supplies and equipment to all of those companies (computers, copiers, paper towels, etc.). It's the stores and restaraunts where the workers at these companies spend their wages. It's the property and payroll taxes these companies pay. These are the things the US can't just "walk away from".</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Barnett</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/25/obama-america-cannot-walk-away-from-the-automobile/comment-page-1/#comment-63578</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer to think of it as convenient ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer to think of it as convenient ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Moses</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/25/obama-america-cannot-walk-away-from-the-automobile/comment-page-1/#comment-63574</link>
		<dc:creator>Moses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, this is the second time Obama has repeated this blatant lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, this is the second time Obama has repeated this blatant lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Moses</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America did not invent the automobile.  Germany did.

If Obama will lie about verifiable facts, I wonder where else he&#039;s stretching the truth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America did not invent the automobile.  Germany did.</p>
<p>If Obama will lie about verifiable facts, I wonder where else he's stretching the truth</p>
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		<title>By: rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Obama could not say we are going to abandon the the auto industry. On the other hand did he have to say anything? Much less come out with a ringing endorsement that made driving sound patriotic.

The first plank of his speech was about energy independence. The most direct, cost effective, and least painful way to move toward that goal is to reduce VMT. I was hoping Obama had the cajones and foresight to see that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Obama could not say we are going to abandon the the auto industry. On the other hand did he have to say anything? Much less come out with a ringing endorsement that made driving sound patriotic.</p>
<p>The first plank of his speech was about energy independence. The most direct, cost effective, and least painful way to move toward that goal is to reduce VMT. I was hoping Obama had the cajones and foresight to see that.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhywun</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/25/obama-america-cannot-walk-away-from-the-automobile/comment-page-1/#comment-63567</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhywun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Munich is awesome. I have fond memories of riding the subway back to our host&#039;s house after an evening at the Oktoberfest, half-drunk at 16 and my host &quot;father&quot; (the father in the family I lived with) being a little more than half-drunk.... And riding the tram out to Germany&#039;s major film studio the next day. A beautiful city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Munich is awesome. I have fond memories of riding the subway back to our host's house after an evening at the Oktoberfest, half-drunk at 16 and my host "father" (the father in the family I lived with) being a little more than half-drunk.... And riding the tram out to Germany's major film studio the next day. A beautiful city.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/25/obama-america-cannot-walk-away-from-the-automobile/comment-page-1/#comment-63563</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you can say that the federal government didn&#039;t walk away from the railroads while promoting the highways to take their place -- it took over the pensions of railroad workers to cushion the decline.

One could make the case that is a reasonable thing to do here as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you can say that the federal government didn't walk away from the railroads while promoting the highways to take their place -- it took over the pensions of railroad workers to cushion the decline.</p>
<p>One could make the case that is a reasonable thing to do here as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/25/obama-america-cannot-walk-away-from-the-automobile/comment-page-1/#comment-63555</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first reaction to Obama&#039;s comment that we &quot;cannot walk away&quot; from the automobile was that I&#039;ve done exactly that all of my adult life and never regretted it for a minute. But if he said anything else, he wouldn&#039;t be leading the nation, he&#039;d be provoking an insurrection that would undercut all of his other goals, like pulling our economy out of the deep fryer. I&#039;m hoping to still have a job by the end of the year.

What the president needs in transportation policy is to adopt a moderate position, pointing out to Americans that European cities (Munich is my most recent favorite) have both excellent roads and numerous excellent transit options. They haven&#039;t walked away from anything. They&#039;ve just achieved a finer balance than we have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first reaction to Obama's comment that we "cannot walk away" from the automobile was that I've done exactly that all of my adult life and never regretted it for a minute. But if he said anything else, he wouldn't be leading the nation, he'd be provoking an insurrection that would undercut all of his other goals, like pulling our economy out of the deep fryer. I'm hoping to still have a job by the end of the year.</p>
<p>What the president needs in transportation policy is to adopt a moderate position, pointing out to Americans that European cities (Munich is my most recent favorite) have both excellent roads and numerous excellent transit options. They haven't walked away from anything. They've just achieved a finer balance than we have.</p>
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		<title>By: David_K</title>
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		<dc:creator>David_K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what to make of the speech.  I&#039;ve yet to hear a emphatic articulation from the president of the economic and environmental problems caused by our public over-investment in highways, sprawl, and cars.

How does one take apart or comprehend these speeches?  For example, last night the president made a committment to curing cancer.  The full quote: “Our recovery plan will invest in electronic health records and new technology that will reduce errors, bring down costs, ensure privacy, and save lives.  It will launch a new effort to conquer a disease that has touched the life of nearly every American by seeking a cure for cancer in our time.”

Huh? I&#039;d be all for curing cancer, but notice how this goal -- an enormous and perhaps untenable effort of basic and clinical research (most famously prioritized by the federal government in the National Cancer Act of 1971) -- is sort of an afterthought to electronic records reform in the quote above.

This is what grabbed my attention from the speech last night.  I don&#039;t know what to make of it. And I certainly cannot make heads or tails of more earthbound details of the speech, such as: the level of committment the president wants to give to liveable streets.  It sounds to me like this falls somewhere between propping up the auto industry and curing cancer. Tea leaves, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't know what to make of the speech.  I've yet to hear a emphatic articulation from the president of the economic and environmental problems caused by our public over-investment in highways, sprawl, and cars.</p>
<p>How does one take apart or comprehend these speeches?  For example, last night the president made a committment to curing cancer.  The full quote: “Our recovery plan will invest in electronic health records and new technology that will reduce errors, bring down costs, ensure privacy, and save lives.  It will launch a new effort to conquer a disease that has touched the life of nearly every American by seeking a cure for cancer in our time.”</p>
<p>Huh? I'd be all for curing cancer, but notice how this goal -- an enormous and perhaps untenable effort of basic and clinical research (most famously prioritized by the federal government in the National Cancer Act of 1971) -- is sort of an afterthought to electronic records reform in the quote above.</p>
<p>This is what grabbed my attention from the speech last night.  I don't know what to make of it. And I certainly cannot make heads or tails of more earthbound details of the speech, such as: the level of committment the president wants to give to liveable streets.  It sounds to me like this falls somewhere between propping up the auto industry and curing cancer. Tea leaves, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/25/obama-america-cannot-walk-away-from-the-automobile/comment-page-1/#comment-63551</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oh, he&#039;ll say the right things here and there, but Congress will perform its usual city/anti-city, Democrat/Republican split--and many Democrats will join the Republicans for reasons Larry noted above.&quot;

Which is the reason why the best federal transportation policy is no federal transportation policy.

Let&#039;s say the Dems really did reform health care, lifting a burden off state and local governments, and really did impose some kind of carbon cap or tax, making conservation and alternative energy pay?  And let&#039;s say that left no money for federal infrastructure spending.  The feds take health care, state and local take transport.  I&#039;ll take that deal.

Forget the words.  The numbers come soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Oh, he'll say the right things here and there, but Congress will perform its usual city/anti-city, Democrat/Republican split--and many Democrats will join the Republicans for reasons Larry noted above."</p>
<p>Which is the reason why the best federal transportation policy is no federal transportation policy.</p>
<p>Let's say the Dems really did reform health care, lifting a burden off state and local governments, and really did impose some kind of carbon cap or tax, making conservation and alternative energy pay?  And let's say that left no money for federal infrastructure spending.  The feds take health care, state and local take transport.  I'll take that deal.</p>
<p>Forget the words.  The numbers come soon.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulCJr</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulCJr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad someone else pick up on the incorrect statement he made on the history of the auto. We didn&#039;t invent it as the other person mentioned, all we did was mass produce it and make it cheaper to buy. I also believe that when he states walking away from it, his simply telling autoworkers that we have their backs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm glad someone else pick up on the incorrect statement he made on the history of the auto. We didn't invent it as the other person mentioned, all we did was mass produce it and make it cheaper to buy. I also believe that when he states walking away from it, his simply telling autoworkers that we have their backs.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhywun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhywun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Do you remain hopeful that Obama &quot;gets it&quot; when it comes to the value of public transportation in reducing oil dependence and fostering sustainable communities, or is his seemingly unflagging commitment to propping up Detroit too much?&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, he&#039;ll say the right things here and there, but Congress will perform its usual city/anti-city, Democrat/Republican split--and many Democrats will join the Republicans for reasons Larry noted above--thus ensuring that no real change will happen. Also don&#039;t forget that most of those workers Obama&#039;s pandering to in Detroit are Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Do you remain hopeful that Obama "gets it" when it comes to the value of public transportation in reducing oil dependence and fostering sustainable communities, or is his seemingly unflagging commitment to propping up Detroit too much?</i></p>
<p>Oh, he'll say the right things here and there, but Congress will perform its usual city/anti-city, Democrat/Republican split--and many Democrats will join the Republicans for reasons Larry noted above--thus ensuring that no real change will happen. Also don't forget that most of those workers Obama's pandering to in Detroit are Democrats.</p>
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