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	<title>Comments on: CB 12 Committee Says &#8220;No&#8221; to Parking Permits for All Teachers</title>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/03/cb-12-committee-says-no-to-parking-permits-for-all-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-62613</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust me, anyone who can afford to live in Jersey can afford to live in Maria Baez&#039;s district.  Anyone who can afford to drive a car could afford to live walking distance from half the schools in the city - if they gave up the car.  This is about subsidizing somebody&#039;s idea of what it means to be middle class, no more nor less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust me, anyone who can afford to live in Jersey can afford to live in Maria Baez&#8217;s district.  Anyone who can afford to drive a car could afford to live walking distance from half the schools in the city &#8211; if they gave up the car.  This is about subsidizing somebody&#8217;s idea of what it means to be middle class, no more nor less.</p>
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		<title>By: says so</title>
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		<dc:creator>says so</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoops meant  LIVE in Jersey.</description>
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		<title>By: says so</title>
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		<dc:creator>says so</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 02:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite a few teachers like in Jersey.  Not everyone can afford to live where they work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite a few teachers like in Jersey.  Not everyone can afford to live where they work.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Mork</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/03/cb-12-committee-says-no-to-parking-permits-for-all-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-62536</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would not cause every teacher to drive, but it would almost certainly encourage some teachers who don&#039;t currently own a car to buy one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would not cause every teacher to drive, but it would almost certainly encourage some teachers who don&#8217;t currently own a car to buy one.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/03/cb-12-committee-says-no-to-parking-permits-for-all-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-62516</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, Sam, that this may not &quot;cause&quot; 35 million more car trips... but it certainly &quot;encourages&quot; them, which was the term used in the stat that I corrected.

And that&#039;s the fundamental problem with legislation like this.  No one can prevent socially irresponsible behavior, but we certainly shouldn&#039;t encourage it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Sam, that this may not &#8220;cause&#8221; 35 million more car trips&#8230; but it certainly &#8220;encourages&#8221; them, which was the term used in the stat that I corrected.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the fundamental problem with legislation like this.  No one can prevent socially irresponsible behavior, but we certainly shouldn&#8217;t encourage it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhywun</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/03/cb-12-committee-says-no-to-parking-permits-for-all-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-62507</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhywun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a minute... shouldn&#039;t this be part of negotiations between the city and the teachers&#039; union anyway? What are we doing legislating extra perks for them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute&#8230; shouldn&#8217;t this be part of negotiations between the city and the teachers&#8217; union anyway? What are we doing legislating extra perks for them?</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/03/cb-12-committee-says-no-to-parking-permits-for-all-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-62506</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t a parking permit exlude the person who has it from metered spots?  If not what exactly does the permit allow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t a parking permit exlude the person who has it from metered spots?  If not what exactly does the permit allow?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/03/cb-12-committee-says-no-to-parking-permits-for-all-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-62505</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charley,

What money were you referring to by &quot;that money&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charley,</p>
<p>What money were you referring to by &#8220;that money&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/03/cb-12-committee-says-no-to-parking-permits-for-all-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-62503</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s amazing to hear!

This is something that could have easily sunk low, with proponents wondering how anyone could be against supporting teachers.  I still say we use that money to support teachers!  I&#039;m so glad people saw the difference between supporting teachers and providing a direct incentive to drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s amazing to hear!</p>
<p>This is something that could have easily sunk low, with proponents wondering how anyone could be against supporting teachers.  I still say we use that money to support teachers!  I&#8217;m so glad people saw the difference between supporting teachers and providing a direct incentive to drive.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhywun</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/03/cb-12-committee-says-no-to-parking-permits-for-all-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-62492</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhywun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; How about teachers pay their own way just like everyone else.

Common sense - I like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; How about teachers pay their own way just like everyone else.</p>
<p>Common sense &#8211; I like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/03/cb-12-committee-says-no-to-parking-permits-for-all-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-62491</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If the Baez bill isn&#039;t going over in car-friendly Upper Manhattan, that may not bode well for its success elsewhere.&quot;

They are friendly to their own cars, not to having other people&#039;s cars compete for parking.  Hence the contradiction of the automobile -- one&#039;s own automobile improves their quality of life and reduces everyone else&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the Baez bill isn&#8217;t going over in car-friendly Upper Manhattan, that may not bode well for its success elsewhere.&#8221;</p>
<p>They are friendly to their own cars, not to having other people&#8217;s cars compete for parking.  Hence the contradiction of the automobile &#8212; one&#8217;s own automobile improves their quality of life and reduces everyone else&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/03/cb-12-committee-says-no-to-parking-permits-for-all-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-62488</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about teachers pay their own way just like everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about teachers pay their own way just like everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Actually, it would encourage 34.2 million car trips per year. (95,000 teachers x 180 school days x 2 trips per day).&quot;

I think the bill is a bad idea but your projection overstates the case.  First, not all teachers own cars.  Second, the availability of parking isn&#039;t the only factor in deciding whether to drive or not.  The cost of gas, wear and tear on the car, and the level of traffic all come into play.  

And finally there&#039;s the convenience of public transportation (or the lack of it.)  If a subway or bus stops near both ends of the journey then it would be the preferred method of commuting, regardless of the availability of parking.  OTOH if a teacher is commuting from one side of Queens to the other driving would be appealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually, it would encourage 34.2 million car trips per year. (95,000 teachers x 180 school days x 2 trips per day).&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the bill is a bad idea but your projection overstates the case.  First, not all teachers own cars.  Second, the availability of parking isn&#8217;t the only factor in deciding whether to drive or not.  The cost of gas, wear and tear on the car, and the level of traffic all come into play.  </p>
<p>And finally there&#8217;s the convenience of public transportation (or the lack of it.)  If a subway or bus stops near both ends of the journey then it would be the preferred method of commuting, regardless of the availability of parking.  OTOH if a teacher is commuting from one side of Queens to the other driving would be appealing.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/03/cb-12-committee-says-no-to-parking-permits-for-all-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-62483</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about free Metrocards for teachers instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about free Metrocards for teachers instead?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Intro 894 would encourage hundreds of thousands of car trips per year&quot;

Actually, it would encourage 34.2 million car trips per year.  (95,000 teachers x 180 school days x 2 trips per day).  Lets have our teachers lead by example, and get them onto buses, trains, and bikes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Intro 894 would encourage hundreds of thousands of car trips per year&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, it would encourage 34.2 million car trips per year.  (95,000 teachers x 180 school days x 2 trips per day).  Lets have our teachers lead by example, and get them onto buses, trains, and bikes!</p>
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