Comments on: Pedestrian Struck on Carroll Street in Critical Condition http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/02/pedestrian-struck-on-carroll-street-in-critical-condition/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Eric McClure http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/02/pedestrian-struck-on-carroll-street-in-critical-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62504 Eric McClure Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:19:17 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5385#comment-62504 <a href="http://www.ny1.com/content/news_beats/law_enforcement/93268/brooklyn-man-hospitalized-after-being-hit-by-car/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">Here's the NY1 coverage.</a> Here’s the NY1 coverage.

]]> By: Doc Barnett http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/02/pedestrian-struck-on-carroll-street-in-critical-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62462 Doc Barnett Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:53:13 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5385#comment-62462 Yes, let's await more "facts" from the people who reported this Toyota Suburban crash. We should avoid discussing anything until we're told what to believe by our esteemed and infallible authorities, otherwise it is a Lynch Mob. Yes, let’s await more “facts” from the people who reported this Toyota Suburban crash. We should avoid discussing anything until we’re told what to believe by our esteemed and infallible authorities, otherwise it is a Lynch Mob.

]]> By: Angus Grieve-Smith http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/02/pedestrian-struck-on-carroll-street-in-critical-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62461 Angus Grieve-Smith Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:49:30 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5385#comment-62461 Those of us who know <a href="http://www.streetfilms.org/archives/park-slope-one-way-vs-two-way-streets/" rel="nofollow">Eighth Avenue</a> already know enough to say that the people who maintain its one-way, traffic-sewer design bear some responsibility for this poor guy's condition. Those of us who know Eighth Avenue already know enough to say that the people who maintain its one-way, traffic-sewer design bear some responsibility for this poor guy’s condition.

]]> By: nanterking http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/02/pedestrian-struck-on-carroll-street-in-critical-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62459 nanterking Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:57:28 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5385#comment-62459 hahah. Does anyone know what happened? Or is it just too much fun to join the lynch mob before the facts are in? Did this guy run a light? Did the pedestrian jaywalk? Whose fault was the collision? Wait, we don't know? Perhaps we should reserve judgment. hahah. Does anyone know what happened? Or is it just too much fun to join the lynch mob before the facts are in? Did this guy run a light? Did the pedestrian jaywalk? Whose fault was the collision? Wait, we don’t know? Perhaps we should reserve judgment.

]]> By: Cap'n Transit http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/02/pedestrian-struck-on-carroll-street-in-critical-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62458 Cap'n Transit Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:46:49 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5385#comment-62458 <blockquote>8th Ave and PPW are insane speedways. They desperately need to be made two-way and traffic-calmed.</blockquote> Let's get started on that on Monday, February 16!

8th Ave and PPW are insane speedways. They desperately need to be made two-way and traffic-calmed.

Let’s get started on that on Monday, February 16!

]]> By: rex http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/02/pedestrian-struck-on-carroll-street-in-critical-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62455 rex Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:14:25 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5385#comment-62455 Toyota Suburban? Heck I should get me one of those to go along with my Cadillac skateboard. "she's a love machine, but she don't run for nobody but me" Cheech Marin Toyota Suburban? Heck I should get me one of those to go along with my Cadillac skateboard.

“she’s a love machine, but she don’t run for nobody but me”

Cheech Marin

]]> By: Rhywun http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/02/pedestrian-struck-on-carroll-street-in-critical-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62444 Rhywun Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:45:06 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5385#comment-62444 OK, I'll grant that higher speeds reduce reaction time. Maybe instead of "the driver isn't looking where the $#@% he's going" I should have said "the driver isn't following the m-----------g rules of the road". OK, I’ll grant that higher speeds reduce reaction time. Maybe instead of “the driver isn’t looking where the $#@% he’s going” I should have said “the driver isn’t following the m———–g rules of the road”.

]]> By: Kaja http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/02/pedestrian-struck-on-carroll-street-in-critical-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62440 Kaja Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:26:00 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5385#comment-62440 Also, anyone who remains at speed when the sun's in their eyes is driving recklessly, and, if that's their excuse, they should be prosecuted for reckless endangerment resulting in manslaughter. Sunblinded? Brake, and hard, until your eyes adjust. Also: Don't you see the sunlit area coming? Put your sunglasses on as you approach it. Not carrying sunglasses? Not equipped to drive; reckless endangerment; etc. I used to commute down the FDR drive in the mornings, when the east side of the island was sunlit. Every day, coming into the 88th Street tunnels, traffic would slow to a crawl as folks' eyes adjusted. Demonstration was thereby served that, responsible drivers, waiting for their irises to adjust, slow the hell down. The existing laws are totally enough. Their interpretation is lacking. Insert cars-are-forces-of-nature culture rant here. Done posting I swear. Also, anyone who remains at speed when the sun’s in their eyes is driving recklessly, and, if that’s their excuse, they should be prosecuted for reckless endangerment resulting in manslaughter.

Sunblinded? Brake, and hard, until your eyes adjust. Also: Don’t you see the sunlit area coming? Put your sunglasses on as you approach it. Not carrying sunglasses? Not equipped to drive; reckless endangerment; etc.

I used to commute down the FDR drive in the mornings, when the east side of the island was sunlit. Every day, coming into the 88th Street tunnels, traffic would slow to a crawl as folks’ eyes adjusted. Demonstration was thereby served that, responsible drivers, waiting for their irises to adjust, slow the hell down.

The existing laws are totally enough. Their interpretation is lacking. Insert cars-are-forces-of-nature culture rant here.

Done posting I swear.

]]> By: Kaja http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/02/pedestrian-struck-on-carroll-street-in-critical-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62437 Kaja Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:19:34 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5385#comment-62437 > The key problem is when the driver isn't looking where the $#@% he's going. Not really. I spend loads of time checking my mirrors and not looking directly in front of me; also, at >30mph, I couldn't really do anything about it if a pedestrian really did _jump in front of me_. But, none of these pedestrians jump in front of cars. Fortunately, most of the behavior that results in deaths is already illegal. We don't need more laws; we need a highway patrol that does its goddamned job. > The key problem is when the driver isn’t looking where the $#@% he’s going.

Not really. I spend loads of time checking my mirrors and not looking directly in front of me; also, at >30mph, I couldn’t really do anything about it if a pedestrian really did _jump in front of me_.

But, none of these pedestrians jump in front of cars.

Fortunately, most of the behavior that results in deaths is already illegal. We don’t need more laws; we need a highway patrol that does its goddamned job.

]]> By: Rhywun http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/02/pedestrian-struck-on-carroll-street-in-critical-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62436 Rhywun Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:09:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5385#comment-62436 I imagine any car can kill at speeds much less than the speed limit. The key problem is when the driver isn't looking where the $#@% he's going. I imagine any car can kill at speeds much less than the speed limit. The key problem is when the driver isn’t looking where the $#@% he’s going.

]]> By: Kaja http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/02/pedestrian-struck-on-carroll-street-in-critical-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62435 Kaja Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:08:58 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5385#comment-62435 As soon as we have some facts, StreetsBlog should open a goddamned betting pool on what the charges will be. My money's on he gets a citation for speeding, or for running a red, or for whatever actual moving violation he committed; and nothing relating to hitting the guy. (Jumping the gun a bit.) As soon as we have some facts, StreetsBlog should open a goddamned betting pool on what the charges will be.

My money’s on he gets a citation for speeding, or for running a red, or for whatever actual moving violation he committed; and nothing relating to hitting the guy. (Jumping the gun a bit.)

]]> By: dchadwick http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/02/pedestrian-struck-on-carroll-street-in-critical-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62434 dchadwick Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:04:13 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5385#comment-62434 I have no faith in the traffic laws of this state to assure pedestrian safety. If a man can kill two children by negligently leaving his van in gear, and face NO consequences -- well, I suppose driving an SUV when you can't see pedestrians is even less likely to carry a punishment. Sad but true. I have no faith in the traffic laws of this state to assure pedestrian safety. If a man can kill two children by negligently leaving his van in gear, and face NO consequences — well, I suppose driving an SUV when you can’t see pedestrians is even less likely to carry a punishment. Sad but true.

]]> By: Mike http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/02/02/pedestrian-struck-on-carroll-street-in-critical-condition/comment-page-1/#comment-62433 Mike Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:36:47 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5385#comment-62433 8th Ave and PPW are insane speedways. They desperately need to be made two-way and traffic-calmed. 8th Ave and PPW are insane speedways. They desperately need to be made two-way and traffic-calmed.

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