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	<title>Comments on: Obama Stimulus Leaves Bus Riders By the Side of The Road</title>
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		<title>By: Ann Garrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Garrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting that chart &quot;Who rides the bus?&quot;, which I added to my Examiner.com piece, &quot;Bus riders at the back of the stimulus bus,&quot; http://tinyurl.com/lx6sp4

I hadn&#039;t noticed Streets Blog before looking into this, but it&#039;s a great publication. 

Urban planning, energy, racial and social justice, and war&#039;n peace issues are embeedded in every transportation decision made all over the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting that chart "Who rides the bus?", which I added to my Examiner.com piece, "Bus riders at the back of the stimulus bus," <a href="http://tinyurl.com/lx6sp4" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/lx6sp4</a></p>
<p>I hadn't noticed Streets Blog before looking into this, but it's a great publication. </p>
<p>Urban planning, energy, racial and social justice, and war'n peace issues are embeedded in every transportation decision made all over the country.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 08:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerned transit workers and users need to reach out to their US senators  and Barack to push for operations funding as part of the stimulus package. The service cuts in OC will be approximately 40 million over 2 years and 150 million in LA.Hiring freezes are in effect and service cuts are in our face. This is a stupid mistake by the administration and needs Barack&#039;s attention!
Remember : Transit is Green!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerned transit workers and users need to reach out to their US senators  and Barack to push for operations funding as part of the stimulus package. The service cuts in OC will be approximately 40 million over 2 years and 150 million in LA.Hiring freezes are in effect and service cuts are in our face. This is a stupid mistake by the administration and needs Barack's attention!<br />
Remember : Transit is Green!</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Laughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Laughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niccolo, It&#039;s not that history began 15 years ago. It&#039;s that unless forced to do otherwise, Congress will consider some policy issues settled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niccolo, It's not that history began 15 years ago. It's that unless forced to do otherwise, Congress will consider some policy issues settled.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Laughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Laughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, My point was that those who want to change Congress&#039;s engrained thinking need to address these issues directly. The point needs to be made more sharply that federal aid to local transit agencies -- particularly for operating assistance -- is an important form of aid to fiscally-strapped local governments. There is a broad consensus that such aid is necessary, but in the context of transit the issue isn&#039;t defined that way, but rather as &quot;transportation&quot; or &quot;stimulus,&quot; both of which limit how Congress thinks about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, My point was that those who want to change Congress's engrained thinking need to address these issues directly. The point needs to be made more sharply that federal aid to local transit agencies -- particularly for operating assistance -- is an important form of aid to fiscally-strapped local governments. There is a broad consensus that such aid is necessary, but in the context of transit the issue isn't defined that way, but rather as "transportation" or "stimulus," both of which limit how Congress thinks about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Moser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick is right though - the elimination of federal transit operating support for bigger systems is a creature of the Newt Gingrich era and thereafter.   

Rep. DeFazio&#039;s complaint that the authors of the stimulus were over-consulting the outgoing Bush USDOT crew bears keeping in mind in this regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick is right though - the elimination of federal transit operating support for bigger systems is a creature of the Newt Gingrich era and thereafter.   </p>
<p>Rep. DeFazio's complaint that the authors of the stimulus were over-consulting the outgoing Bush USDOT crew bears keeping in mind in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kaehny</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Kaehny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith, you&#039;re absolutely right about congressional thinking, which is why the article twice mentions the $150 billion for local school aid in the stimulus, an unprecedented federal intervention into a local service. Other past examples for congress to heed would be the federal block grants for local policing, or the history of federal operating aid for transit during the 1970&#039;s and 1980&#039;s. From a stimulus perspective, operating aid makes far more sense than capital projects since it allows transit passengers to spend for services other than transit. Having the public spend more for transit and get less is exactly the &quot;contraction&quot; the stimulus is supposed to address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, you're absolutely right about congressional thinking, which is why the article twice mentions the $150 billion for local school aid in the stimulus, an unprecedented federal intervention into a local service. Other past examples for congress to heed would be the federal block grants for local policing, or the history of federal operating aid for transit during the 1970's and 1980's. From a stimulus perspective, operating aid makes far more sense than capital projects since it allows transit passengers to spend for services other than transit. Having the public spend more for transit and get less is exactly the "contraction" the stimulus is supposed to address.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kaehny</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Kaehny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael thanks for your comments. We stand by the point of the article, which is that the Obama stimulus plan does not provide for bus operating funding. We are aware of the stimulus money dedicated to Sec 5307 formula funds. Please look a little closer at Sec 5307 restrictions

&quot;For urbanized areas with populations of 200,000 or more, operating assistance is not an eligible expense.&quot;

http://www.fta.dot.gov/funding/grants/grants_financing_3561.html

Since the vast majority of bus service is provided in urban areas --- as defined by the census, usually an MPO or TMA, this amounts to no operating assistance for all but a handful of bus riders, those lucky few in small towns and rural areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael thanks for your comments. We stand by the point of the article, which is that the Obama stimulus plan does not provide for bus operating funding. We are aware of the stimulus money dedicated to Sec 5307 formula funds. Please look a little closer at Sec 5307 restrictions</p>
<p>"For urbanized areas with populations of 200,000 or more, operating assistance is not an eligible expense."</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fta.dot.gov/funding/grants/grants_financing_3561.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fta.dot.gov/funding/grants/grants_financing_3561.html</a></p>
<p>Since the vast majority of bus service is provided in urban areas --- as defined by the census, usually an MPO or TMA, this amounts to no operating assistance for all but a handful of bus riders, those lucky few in small towns and rural areas.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teamsters local 952  in orange ca is holding a rally and press conference in Santa Ana at the Reagan federal building on Friday the 30th at 2:00pm to bring pressure on Obama and the US Senate to  fund transit operations in the stimulus package. The Senate will probably vote Monday so the time to blitz is now!  More info is on our website at www.teamsters952.org.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teamsters local 952  in orange ca is holding a rally and press conference in Santa Ana at the Reagan federal building on Friday the 30th at 2:00pm to bring pressure on Obama and the US Senate to  fund transit operations in the stimulus package. The Senate will probably vote Monday so the time to blitz is now!  More info is on our website at <a href="http://www.teamsters952.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.teamsters952.org</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Niccolo Machiavelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niccolo Machiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that most of Keith&#039;s pitch is useless but...&quot;First, historically, the division of responsibility in federal transportation policy has been for the federal government to contribute to capital transit investments with the locals responsible for operating expenses.&quot; Can really only be true if history began about fifteen years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that most of Keith's pitch is useless but..."First, historically, the division of responsibility in federal transportation policy has been for the federal government to contribute to capital transit investments with the locals responsible for operating expenses." Can really only be true if history began about fifteen years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael D. Setty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael D. Setty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MTC is the Metropolitan Transportation Commission, bunkered in Oakland. www.mtc.ca.gov</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MTC is the Metropolitan Transportation Commission, bunkered in Oakland. <a href="http://www.mtc.ca.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.mtc.ca.gov</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael D. Setty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael D. Setty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is a load of hooey! Your ignorance of the transit program is appalling.

With the amendment adding $1.5 billion to formula capital grants, known as FTA Section 5307, the total amount available to buses is about $7.5 billion, which is more than double the amount that currently flows to about 99% buses through the FTA Section 5307 program. As far as I can tell from the stimulus legislation, there are actually few restrictions on using some of the new money on operations, but you need to understand exactly what the rules are.

There are two ways that operating funds can be obtained from Section 5307. 

(1) For bus systems serving urbanized areas of less than 200,000 people (defined by the U.S. Census in 2000), up to 50% of the net transit operating deficit can be funded from Section 5307. In a lot of cases, bus systems in these areas don&#039;t have enough 5307 funding from the formulas to cover this, and still finance also necessary vehicle replacements and other capital needs. Now they will have substantially more funding for both operations and capital, assuming the stimulus gets through the Senate intact.

(2) For bus systems serving urbanized areas over 200,000 population, Section 5307 formula funding can be used for &quot;preventative maintenance&quot; of vehicles and facilities. How much this actually is depends on how each region&#039;s Metropolitan Planning Agencies (MPOs) have set policies. I do know that the MPO in the San Francisco Bay Area, has historically frowned on using larger percentages of FTA Section 5307 funding on preventative maintenance, leading to major operating budget crunches for our large urban bus operations, e.g., AC Transit, San Francisco Muni, Samtrans, and Santa Clara&#039;s VTA, as well as a number of smaller systems. Hopefully the infusion of new money will correct this MTC shortsightedness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is a load of hooey! Your ignorance of the transit program is appalling.</p>
<p>With the amendment adding $1.5 billion to formula capital grants, known as FTA Section 5307, the total amount available to buses is about $7.5 billion, which is more than double the amount that currently flows to about 99% buses through the FTA Section 5307 program. As far as I can tell from the stimulus legislation, there are actually few restrictions on using some of the new money on operations, but you need to understand exactly what the rules are.</p>
<p>There are two ways that operating funds can be obtained from Section 5307. </p>
<p>(1) For bus systems serving urbanized areas of less than 200,000 people (defined by the U.S. Census in 2000), up to 50% of the net transit operating deficit can be funded from Section 5307. In a lot of cases, bus systems in these areas don't have enough 5307 funding from the formulas to cover this, and still finance also necessary vehicle replacements and other capital needs. Now they will have substantially more funding for both operations and capital, assuming the stimulus gets through the Senate intact.</p>
<p>(2) For bus systems serving urbanized areas over 200,000 population, Section 5307 formula funding can be used for "preventative maintenance" of vehicles and facilities. How much this actually is depends on how each region's Metropolitan Planning Agencies (MPOs) have set policies. I do know that the MPO in the San Francisco Bay Area, has historically frowned on using larger percentages of FTA Section 5307 funding on preventative maintenance, leading to major operating budget crunches for our large urban bus operations, e.g., AC Transit, San Francisco Muni, Samtrans, and Santa Clara's VTA, as well as a number of smaller systems. Hopefully the infusion of new money will correct this MTC shortsightedness.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Laughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith Laughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;transit=capital formula&quot; is embedded in Congressional thinking for two reasons. First, historically, the division of responsibility in federal transportation policy has been for the federal government to contribute to capital transit investments with the locals responsible for operating expenses. Second, when counter-cyclical stimulus packages are considered during recessions, it has been customary that funds be focused on creating new public works jobs -- like filling potholes -- not keeping existing workers employed -- like driving a bus. 

To change this engrained Congressional thinking when the bill comes up in the Senate will require addressing both of these issues head-on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The "transit=capital formula" is embedded in Congressional thinking for two reasons. First, historically, the division of responsibility in federal transportation policy has been for the federal government to contribute to capital transit investments with the locals responsible for operating expenses. Second, when counter-cyclical stimulus packages are considered during recessions, it has been customary that funds be focused on creating new public works jobs -- like filling potholes -- not keeping existing workers employed -- like driving a bus. </p>
<p>To change this engrained Congressional thinking when the bill comes up in the Senate will require addressing both of these issues head-on.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The NY Times reported last year that in NY, up to 40 percent, or $18 billion per year, of Medicaid claims are questionable.&quot;

Ditching Medicaid and having a choice of Medicare or an equal amount (adjusted for age and condition) of federal funding for private insurance would solve that problem, by taking the decisions out of NY state lobbyists and legislators&#039; greedy hands.

That&#039;s why Local 1199 fought universal health care under Clinton.

If the federal government picked up that cost (and retiree health care), I&#039;d gladly see the city left to fund transit on its own.

Unfortunately, Governing Magazine has already called my idea of preventing the collapse of public services by having the Feds pick up the retirees a &quot;fantasy.&quot;

http://www.governing.com/articles/0901gmillere.htm

I say the idea that we will have public services otherwise is a fantasy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The NY Times reported last year that in NY, up to 40 percent, or $18 billion per year, of Medicaid claims are questionable."</p>
<p>Ditching Medicaid and having a choice of Medicare or an equal amount (adjusted for age and condition) of federal funding for private insurance would solve that problem, by taking the decisions out of NY state lobbyists and legislators' greedy hands.</p>
<p>That's why Local 1199 fought universal health care under Clinton.</p>
<p>If the federal government picked up that cost (and retiree health care), I'd gladly see the city left to fund transit on its own.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Governing Magazine has already called my idea of preventing the collapse of public services by having the Feds pick up the retirees a "fantasy."</p>
<p><a href="http://www.governing.com/articles/0901gmillere.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.governing.com/articles/0901gmillere.htm</a></p>
<p>I say the idea that we will have public services otherwise is a fantasy.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, for someone who spends lots of time bemoaning irrationally high public pensions you sure are letting Medicaid off easy. The NY Times reported last year that in NY, up to 40 percent, or $18 billion per year, of Medicaid claims are questionable. Dumping no strings attached federal block grants into NY&#039;s Medicaid black hole isn&#039;t going to mean more money for transit --- it never has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, for someone who spends lots of time bemoaning irrationally high public pensions you sure are letting Medicaid off easy. The NY Times reported last year that in NY, up to 40 percent, or $18 billion per year, of Medicaid claims are questionable. Dumping no strings attached federal block grants into NY's Medicaid black hole isn't going to mean more money for transit --- it never has.</p>
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		<title>By: nellaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>nellaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it isn&#039;t too late to do something, let us know if we should still be calling our representatives and senators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it isn't too late to do something, let us know if we should still be calling our representatives and senators.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/29/obama-stimulus-leaves-bus-riders-by-the-side-of-the-road/comment-page-1/#comment-62295</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bus systems got zero in immediate operating support from the bill that passed yesterday -- stunning neglect compared to the $150 billion in educational &quot;operating assistance&quot; to local schools and universities and $127 billion in emergency health care &#039;operating assistance&#039; to state Medicaid and private insurance programs.&quot;

Look at the bright side.

People move from state to state, that means more generous states can attract poor and sick people seeking services while less generous states can save money by shifting people elsewhere, which happens in Medicaid big time on our dime.

And businesses and rich, while needing an educated workforce overall, tend to oppose investments in education locally?  Why?  You can always attract educated workers from elsewhere if your schools stink (a factor that has kept NYC&#039;s economy alive).

There is a strong case to be make for having the federal government take over unemployment insurance as well, since a geographically concentrated recession can devestate a state&#039;s trust fund and some irresponsible states (ahem) tend not to fund trust funds properly to begin with.

So a shift to federal funding for services direct to people is a good thing, in my view.

On the other hand, transportation, other infrastructure, housing, parks, etc. tends NOT to move.  The benefits are local, and so is the incentive to invest.  The fact that my priorities in these categories are not shared by many elsewhere in the country is a good reason NOT to throw the money in a federal pot and then have to beg for some back.

Money saved by having the federal government pick up Medicaid can be used for buses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Bus systems got zero in immediate operating support from the bill that passed yesterday -- stunning neglect compared to the $150 billion in educational "operating assistance" to local schools and universities and $127 billion in emergency health care 'operating assistance' to state Medicaid and private insurance programs."</p>
<p>Look at the bright side.</p>
<p>People move from state to state, that means more generous states can attract poor and sick people seeking services while less generous states can save money by shifting people elsewhere, which happens in Medicaid big time on our dime.</p>
<p>And businesses and rich, while needing an educated workforce overall, tend to oppose investments in education locally?  Why?  You can always attract educated workers from elsewhere if your schools stink (a factor that has kept NYC's economy alive).</p>
<p>There is a strong case to be make for having the federal government take over unemployment insurance as well, since a geographically concentrated recession can devestate a state's trust fund and some irresponsible states (ahem) tend not to fund trust funds properly to begin with.</p>
<p>So a shift to federal funding for services direct to people is a good thing, in my view.</p>
<p>On the other hand, transportation, other infrastructure, housing, parks, etc. tends NOT to move.  The benefits are local, and so is the incentive to invest.  The fact that my priorities in these categories are not shared by many elsewhere in the country is a good reason NOT to throw the money in a federal pot and then have to beg for some back.</p>
<p>Money saved by having the federal government pick up Medicaid can be used for buses.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This formulation is generally biased against buses, which are cheap to buy but relatively costly to operate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And that is another reason why BRT is not &quot;just like rail but cheaper.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This formulation is generally biased against buses, which are cheap to buy but relatively costly to operate.</p></blockquote>
<p>And that is another reason why BRT is not "just like rail but cheaper."</p>
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