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	<title>Comments on: Wiki Wednesday: Better Stimulus Through Highway Removal</title>
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		<title>By: christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant , just briliant ...

in early eighties when Japanese car makers studied how to improve car quality , they figured that the key was to redue the number of parts. AT soem points they had 30% less parts than americal cars... 

in any systmen removing uncessary pieces is the fastest way to reduc costs and improve quality .. 

Our system is a patchwork built over 100 years and impossiible to manage  

I like anonymaous idea to repurpose them for bus lane, rail, bike lane, etc..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant , just briliant ...</p>
<p>in early eighties when Japanese car makers studied how to improve car quality , they figured that the key was to redue the number of parts. AT soem points they had 30% less parts than americal cars... </p>
<p>in any systmen removing uncessary pieces is the fastest way to reduc costs and improve quality .. </p>
<p>Our system is a patchwork built over 100 years and impossiible to manage  </p>
<p>I like anonymaous idea to repurpose them for bus lane, rail, bike lane, etc..</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The place that could really use highway removal is Detroit.  The city has an incredibly huge freeway network feeding into Downtown, that is probably empty even at rush hour.  

It could preserve a could of freeways for motor vehicle traffic, and turn the rest into an instant &quot;rapid transit&quot; network using bus rapid transit that could support the redevelopment of the city.  Real bus rapid transit, with grade separation and no lights, not what is being proposed here.

Three lanes and a shoulder in each direction could be a local bus lane with stations, an express bus lane, and a landscaped bikeway.  There could be local stations every half mile and express stations every two miles or at major intersections, as on the IND.  But with buses running rather than trade, those on the street or coming in from the suburbs (and intercity buses) could use the rights of way as well.  Perhaps the Big Three would be willing to get back in the bus business, development new articulated buses to run on the reserved rights of way.

The intersections of two former freeways could be turned into traffic circles, with the massive acreage occupied by the cloverleaf turned into the center of new towns of 30,000 people each.  The high quality downtown skyscrapers could be preserved and renovated into mixed-use live-work spaces, and the &quot;mansion&quot; area of town could be landmarked, but the rest could be redeveloped with rowhouses and small apartment buildings, at say Park Slope density, but with a bigger commmercial core in each town.

Old Detroit is deal, but the old freeways could be a real rebirth asset if used for an instant rapid transit system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The place that could really use highway removal is Detroit.  The city has an incredibly huge freeway network feeding into Downtown, that is probably empty even at rush hour.  </p>
<p>It could preserve a could of freeways for motor vehicle traffic, and turn the rest into an instant "rapid transit" network using bus rapid transit that could support the redevelopment of the city.  Real bus rapid transit, with grade separation and no lights, not what is being proposed here.</p>
<p>Three lanes and a shoulder in each direction could be a local bus lane with stations, an express bus lane, and a landscaped bikeway.  There could be local stations every half mile and express stations every two miles or at major intersections, as on the IND.  But with buses running rather than trade, those on the street or coming in from the suburbs (and intercity buses) could use the rights of way as well.  Perhaps the Big Three would be willing to get back in the bus business, development new articulated buses to run on the reserved rights of way.</p>
<p>The intersections of two former freeways could be turned into traffic circles, with the massive acreage occupied by the cloverleaf turned into the center of new towns of 30,000 people each.  The high quality downtown skyscrapers could be preserved and renovated into mixed-use live-work spaces, and the "mansion" area of town could be landmarked, but the rest could be redeveloped with rowhouses and small apartment buildings, at say Park Slope density, but with a bigger commmercial core in each town.</p>
<p>Old Detroit is deal, but the old freeways could be a real rebirth asset if used for an instant rapid transit system.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/28/wiki-wednesday-better-stimulus-through-highway-removal/comment-page-1/#comment-62275</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Buffalo NY and we have three major problems with such highways. One, we have the Skyway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BuffaloSkyway.jpg) which is cutting across our newly developing waterfront area forcing changes in design plans. Second, we have Humboldt Parkway (http://www.buffalonet.org/Before-After/Humboldt1927-1983.jpg) which helped to destroy a park and part of Buffalo&#039;s east side neighborhoods. Lastly we have Interstate 190 south which cuts off the city from the Niagara River. Each of these projects has hurt economic development and only now are being discussed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Buffalo NY and we have three major problems with such highways. One, we have the Skyway (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BuffaloSkyway.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BuffaloSkyway.jpg</a>) which is cutting across our newly developing waterfront area forcing changes in design plans. Second, we have Humboldt Parkway (<a href="http://www.buffalonet.org/Before-After/Humboldt1927-1983.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.buffalonet.org/Before-After/Humboldt1927-1983.jpg</a>) which helped to destroy a park and part of Buffalo's east side neighborhoods. Lastly we have Interstate 190 south which cuts off the city from the Niagara River. Each of these projects has hurt economic development and only now are being discussed.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nadler is about to appear on The Takeaway this morning (Thurs) talking about how stim. will affect NYC.  Don&#039;t know specifically what he&#039;ll talk about but thought it was worth a mention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nadler is about to appear on The Takeaway this morning (Thurs) talking about how stim. will affect NYC.  Don't know specifically what he'll talk about but thought it was worth a mention.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me the Seattle tunnel proposal is a way to make both sides happy and open up the land.  Yes it might not be ideal to rebuild of freeway at all but at least you get rid of the viaduct which is cutting of the city from the waterfront.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me the Seattle tunnel proposal is a way to make both sides happy and open up the land.  Yes it might not be ideal to rebuild of freeway at all but at least you get rid of the viaduct which is cutting of the city from the waterfront.</p>
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		<title>By: JoshMahar</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoshMahar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The livable city movement here in Seattle is itching to stand up against the option to build a tunnel. It hasn&#039;t gone through legislation and probably won&#039;t for a couple years but if we could garner some national attention and help on this issue it would be much, much appreciated. Check out our group, the Seattle Great City Initaitive (click on my name for the site) and get in touch with us if you want to make sure this project isn&#039;t a national blunder, but a national example!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The livable city movement here in Seattle is itching to stand up against the option to build a tunnel. It hasn't gone through legislation and probably won't for a couple years but if we could garner some national attention and help on this issue it would be much, much appreciated. Check out our group, the Seattle Great City Initaitive (click on my name for the site) and get in touch with us if you want to make sure this project isn't a national blunder, but a national example!</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we close them off and repurpose them to light rail use instead of tearing them down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we close them off and repurpose them to light rail use instead of tearing them down?</p>
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		<title>By: Nora Beck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nora Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the top Freeways without Futures may actually be in a State list for the economic stimulus--though it remains to be seen if the DOT is identifying it for a removal or if they are looking to maintain it as a limited-access road. 

Route 29 is a surface highway between downtown Trenton New Jersey and the Delaware River. The US Conference of Mayors listed the reconstruction and realignment of Route 29 into a boulevard in their list of ready-to-go projects. They predicted it would cost $150 million and generate 1500 jobs. 

The NJDOT also identified this road in their list, though the language of what exactly should be done remains quite vague. The scope is definitely different -- a larger section of Route 29 is identified and the cost estimates run only up to $5 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the top Freeways without Futures may actually be in a State list for the economic stimulus--though it remains to be seen if the DOT is identifying it for a removal or if they are looking to maintain it as a limited-access road. </p>
<p>Route 29 is a surface highway between downtown Trenton New Jersey and the Delaware River. The US Conference of Mayors listed the reconstruction and realignment of Route 29 into a boulevard in their list of ready-to-go projects. They predicted it would cost $150 million and generate 1500 jobs. </p>
<p>The NJDOT also identified this road in their list, though the language of what exactly should be done remains quite vague. The scope is definitely different -- a larger section of Route 29 is identified and the cost estimates run only up to $5 million.</p>
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