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	<title>Comments on: Nadler Amendment: The Ayes Have It</title>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/28/nadler-amendment-the-ayes-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-62292</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Some transit agencies, including the MTA and BART, collect more than half their revenues from passengers. But most transit agencies do not even come close. CATS, the transit system in Baton Rouge, has a 31% recovery ratio; KAT, the transit system in Knoxville, takes the cake with just 7% of revenues coming from customers.</description>
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<p>Some transit agencies, including the MTA and BART, collect more than half their revenues from passengers. But most transit agencies do not even come close. CATS, the transit system in Baton Rouge, has a 31% recovery ratio; KAT, the transit system in Knoxville, takes the cake with just 7% of revenues coming from customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/28/nadler-amendment-the-ayes-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-62288</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Eric for unearthing that shocking quote from the WS Journal: &quot;Most urban transit systems are so badly managed that their fares cover less than half of their costs...&quot;

Is the last part of that even accurate? My impression was that the MTA and other agencies cover more than half their operating expenses with fares.

One might respond: &quot;Most urban transit systems are so scantily subsidized that fares have to cover more than half of their expenses. Roads, in contrast, are so heavily subsidized that drivers pay nothing for using most of them.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Eric for unearthing that shocking quote from the WS Journal: "Most urban transit systems are so badly managed that their fares cover less than half of their costs..."</p>
<p>Is the last part of that even accurate? My impression was that the MTA and other agencies cover more than half their operating expenses with fares.</p>
<p>One might respond: "Most urban transit systems are so scantily subsidized that fares have to cover more than half of their expenses. Roads, in contrast, are so heavily subsidized that drivers pay nothing for using most of them."</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/28/nadler-amendment-the-ayes-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-62287</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We seem to spend so much time complaining about our electeds being ineffective or counterproductive that it&#039;s quite nice to see one do some good.  Excellent work, Mr. Nadler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We seem to spend so much time complaining about our electeds being ineffective or counterproductive that it's quite nice to see one do some good.  Excellent work, Mr. Nadler.</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/28/nadler-amendment-the-ayes-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-62279</link>
		<dc:creator>Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always am curious about these quips about transit management.  I know there are surely badly managed transit systems but it&#039;s hard for me to really assess (any advice on helping me would be great).  But it does seems that many of these comments against transit management might have some legitimacy even if generally just heavily biased against transit.  If the pro-transit community was seen as wanting internal reform as much as external money then it could help the image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always am curious about these quips about transit management.  I know there are surely badly managed transit systems but it's hard for me to really assess (any advice on helping me would be great).  But it does seems that many of these comments against transit management might have some legitimacy even if generally just heavily biased against transit.  If the pro-transit community was seen as wanting internal reform as much as external money then it could help the image.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not that excited about 3 billion, unless they are spending it all in my Hometown, or bailing out NYC transit.   If they&#039;re spreading it out like peanut butter 3 billion won&#039;t go very far.   

Now 3 billion for copenhagen-style bicycle infrastructure, with emphasis on transit/rail connectivity, that would be something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not that excited about 3 billion, unless they are spending it all in my Hometown, or bailing out NYC transit.   If they're spreading it out like peanut butter 3 billion won't go very far.   </p>
<p>Now 3 billion for copenhagen-style bicycle infrastructure, with emphasis on transit/rail connectivity, that would be something else.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric McClure</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/28/nadler-amendment-the-ayes-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-62269</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric McClure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it&#039;s a drop in the ocean, but it&#039;s a lot better than &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; having the extra $3 billion in there.  The total allocated to transit is several billion more.

Of course, here&#039;s what the geniuses over at &lt;i&gt;The Wall Street Journal&lt;/i&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;had to say&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Most of the rest of this project spending will go to such things as renewable energy funding ($8 billion) or mass transit ($6 billion) that have a low or negative return on investment. Most urban transit systems are so badly managed that their fares cover less than half of their costs. However, the people who operate these systems belong to public-employee unions that are campaign contributors to . . . guess which party?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As opposed to the big ROI on highway spending, right? Boy, do those 12-lane highway projects ever pay for themselves.

Granted, this is a badly flawed bill, but &lt;i&gt;The Journal&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; complaining about transit spending while opining that $30 billion for roads and bridges is far too little does not show much of an understanding of the looming transportation and environmental challenges facing us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it's a drop in the ocean, but it's a lot better than <i>not</i> having the extra $3 billion in there.  The total allocated to transit is several billion more.</p>
<p>Of course, here's what the geniuses over at <i>The Wall Street Journal</i> <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html" rel="nofollow">had to say</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Most of the rest of this project spending will go to such things as renewable energy funding ($8 billion) or mass transit ($6 billion) that have a low or negative return on investment. Most urban transit systems are so badly managed that their fares cover less than half of their costs. However, the people who operate these systems belong to public-employee unions that are campaign contributors to . . . guess which party?</p></blockquote>
<p>As opposed to the big ROI on highway spending, right? Boy, do those 12-lane highway projects ever pay for themselves.</p>
<p>Granted, this is a badly flawed bill, but <i>The Journal's</i> complaining about transit spending while opining that $30 billion for roads and bridges is far too little does not show much of an understanding of the looming transportation and environmental challenges facing us.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric McClure</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/28/nadler-amendment-the-ayes-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-62268</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric McClure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course it&#039;s a drop in the ocean, but it&#039;s a lot better than &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; having the extra $3 billion in there.  The total allocated to transit is several billion more.

Of course, here&#039;s what the geniuses over at &lt;i&gt;The Wall Street Journal&lt;/i&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;had to say&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Most of the rest of this project spending will go to such things as renewable energy funding ($8 billion) or mass transit ($6 billion) that have a low or negative return on investment. Most urban transit systems are so badly managed that their fares cover less than half of their costs. However, the people who operate these systems belong to public-employee unions that are campaign contributors to . . . guess which party?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As opposed to the big ROI on highway spending, right? Boy, do those 12-lane highway projects ever pay for themselves.

Granted, this is a badly flawed bill, but complaining about transit spending while opining that $30 billion for roads and bridges is far too little does not show much of an understanding of the looming transportation and environmental challenges facing us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course it's a drop in the ocean, but it's a lot better than <i>not</i> having the extra $3 billion in there.  The total allocated to transit is several billion more.</p>
<p>Of course, here's what the geniuses over at <i>The Wall Street Journal</i> <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html" rel="nofollow">had to say</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Most of the rest of this project spending will go to such things as renewable energy funding ($8 billion) or mass transit ($6 billion) that have a low or negative return on investment. Most urban transit systems are so badly managed that their fares cover less than half of their costs. However, the people who operate these systems belong to public-employee unions that are campaign contributors to . . . guess which party?</p></blockquote>
<p>As opposed to the big ROI on highway spending, right? Boy, do those 12-lane highway projects ever pay for themselves.</p>
<p>Granted, this is a badly flawed bill, but complaining about transit spending while opining that $30 billion for roads and bridges is far too little does not show much of an understanding of the looming transportation and environmental challenges facing us.</p>
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		<title>By: W. K. Lis</title>
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		<dc:creator>W. K. Lis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$3 billion? Spread over how many cities? Or will it be a winner take all grudge match?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$3 billion? Spread over how many cities? Or will it be a winner take all grudge match?</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s what I was thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that's what I was thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: jedediah Redman</title>
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		<dc:creator>jedediah Redman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three billion for the entire nation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three billion for the entire nation?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So where does this go now? Who do we contact? How do we make sure this sticks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So where does this go now? Who do we contact? How do we make sure this sticks?</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Eckerson Jr.</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/28/nadler-amendment-the-ayes-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-62257</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence Eckerson Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lemme say I yelped for joy when I heard!

Probably not as hard as I would yelp for - say - a car-free Central Park, but close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lemme say I yelped for joy when I heard!</p>
<p>Probably not as hard as I would yelp for - say - a car-free Central Park, but close.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric McClure</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/28/nadler-amendment-the-ayes-have-it/comment-page-1/#comment-62256</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric McClure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great news!  Let&#039;s make it stick!</description>
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