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	<title>Comments on: Many Questions Remain Unanswered in Aftermath of Chinatown Deaths</title>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Corne</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/26/many-questions-remain-unanswered-in-aftermath-of-chinatown-deaths/comment-page-1/#comment-64097</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Corne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reality is that the DA does not care. The kids aren&#039;t white and from Bay Ridge or Long Island. They don&#039;t care unless they are forced to. So, Yes for disobedience and rallies. 
Pregnant and mother of one, I can only be horrified by this tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reality is that the DA does not care. The kids aren&#8217;t white and from Bay Ridge or Long Island. They don&#8217;t care unless they are forced to. So, Yes for disobedience and rallies.<br />
Pregnant and mother of one, I can only be horrified by this tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for double-posting this comment but it bears repeating that engine idling is implicated in yet another dual-homicide.  The driver who killed two young men in Middle Village stole a car that was left running, unattended.

The two anti-idling bills that recently passed in City Council are good, but please ask your Council Members to support Garodnick&#039;s anti-idling bill Int 881. It specifically addresses enforcement, rather than just banning or restricting something, so it seems like it could be a more effective anti-idling tool than the other two bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for double-posting this comment but it bears repeating that engine idling is implicated in yet another dual-homicide.  The driver who killed two young men in Middle Village stole a car that was left running, unattended.</p>
<p>The two anti-idling bills that recently passed in City Council are good, but please ask your Council Members to support Garodnick&#8217;s anti-idling bill Int 881. It specifically addresses enforcement, rather than just banning or restricting something, so it seems like it could be a more effective anti-idling tool than the other two bills.</p>
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		<title>By: ManSum</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/26/many-questions-remain-unanswered-in-aftermath-of-chinatown-deaths/comment-page-1/#comment-62445</link>
		<dc:creator>ManSum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Hayley&#039;s mom,

I am a mother of two, 4 and 6.   My 2 kids also attended Daycare Center in Chinatown and they made trips to the same library.   I cannot imagine what you are going through.   I kept thinking this can happen to me.   I cannot stop thinking about little Hayley and Diego and you.   When I watched clips of Hayley&#039;s video on the internet it is very hard to hold back tears.   My heart really goes out to you and your husband.   I hope you two will find peace in whatever you are pursuing and please stay strong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Hayley&#8217;s mom,</p>
<p>I am a mother of two, 4 and 6.   My 2 kids also attended Daycare Center in Chinatown and they made trips to the same library.   I cannot imagine what you are going through.   I kept thinking this can happen to me.   I cannot stop thinking about little Hayley and Diego and you.   When I watched clips of Hayley&#8217;s video on the internet it is very hard to hold back tears.   My heart really goes out to you and your husband.   I hope you two will find peace in whatever you are pursuing and please stay strong!</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hayley&#039;s Mom, thank you visiting here.  As someone who has been close to a situation like yours I think the ability you&#039;ve shown to call others to action has been remarkable and admirable, and you deserve thanks for it.

Naturally, I am distraught at what happened and my thoughts have been with you.  I am sure the same goes for most who visit this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hayley&#8217;s Mom, thank you visiting here.  As someone who has been close to a situation like yours I think the ability you&#8217;ve shown to call others to action has been remarkable and admirable, and you deserve thanks for it.</p>
<p>Naturally, I am distraught at what happened and my thoughts have been with you.  I am sure the same goes for most who visit this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Hayley's Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/26/many-questions-remain-unanswered-in-aftermath-of-chinatown-deaths/comment-page-1/#comment-62407</link>
		<dc:creator>Hayley's Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the mother of the little girl that died at the scene. I agree what happened should have never happened at all. It was a senseless death for my daughter and her friend Diego. If you want to help me and help the two kids please call the Manhattan&#039;s DA office 212-335-9000 and tell them they need to investigate. I never ever want to see this happen to anyone. 

To PaulCJr, I agree and if I can I will fight to get the city to do something about protecting pedestrians, especially the children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the mother of the little girl that died at the scene. I agree what happened should have never happened at all. It was a senseless death for my daughter and her friend Diego. If you want to help me and help the two kids please call the Manhattan&#8217;s DA office 212-335-9000 and tell them they need to investigate. I never ever want to see this happen to anyone. </p>
<p>To PaulCJr, I agree and if I can I will fight to get the city to do something about protecting pedestrians, especially the children.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulCJr</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/26/many-questions-remain-unanswered-in-aftermath-of-chinatown-deaths/comment-page-1/#comment-62367</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulCJr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our city laws are just to laxed on crazy drivers. How many on this website almost get run down by fast drivers and those F**king cabbies every week??? Its pitiful. I use to live in San Francisco for sometime and they had a similar chase where two kids were killed by a run away car that someone had parked improperly on a hill. The lady who owned the car went to jail. We should be more demanding in our right as pedestrians to have save walkable city without the fear of being mowed down by a reckless cabbies or drivers. Not to beat the San Francisco reference to death, but there they put the auto on check and San Franciscans demand it. We should take some ques from them and rally like they do for safer streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our city laws are just to laxed on crazy drivers. How many on this website almost get run down by fast drivers and those F**king cabbies every week??? Its pitiful. I use to live in San Francisco for sometime and they had a similar chase where two kids were killed by a run away car that someone had parked improperly on a hill. The lady who owned the car went to jail. We should be more demanding in our right as pedestrians to have save walkable city without the fear of being mowed down by a reckless cabbies or drivers. Not to beat the San Francisco reference to death, but there they put the auto on check and San Franciscans demand it. We should take some ques from them and rally like they do for safer streets.</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My child survived this accident and I saw several vans idling in front of shops blocks from the school this morning (where parents and children are receiving grief counseling). 

What motivates delivery trucks to be left idling without their driver? Are they less likely to get a ticket while in a no standing zone? I would like to better understand the issues in order to be part of the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My child survived this accident and I saw several vans idling in front of shops blocks from the school this morning (where parents and children are receiving grief counseling). </p>
<p>What motivates delivery trucks to be left idling without their driver? Are they less likely to get a ticket while in a no standing zone? I would like to better understand the issues in order to be part of the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/26/many-questions-remain-unanswered-in-aftermath-of-chinatown-deaths/comment-page-1/#comment-62226</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; In fact, what I&#039;m saying is comparable is *the way people have excused* historically different forms of violence in the United States (the violence of the car, the violence of white supremacy). 

This remains a false analogy. 

Motor vehicle fatality rates and attendant cultural blindnesses are much more interesting than this. See Arendt&#039;s phrase /banal evil/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; In fact, what I&#8217;m saying is comparable is *the way people have excused* historically different forms of violence in the United States (the violence of the car, the violence of white supremacy). </p>
<p>This remains a false analogy. </p>
<p>Motor vehicle fatality rates and attendant cultural blindnesses are much more interesting than this. See Arendt&#8217;s phrase /banal evil/.</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaja, thanks for the reply to my comment.

You made a mistake, however, when you left out the actual subject phrase of my sentence--&quot;the way people excuse the violence&quot;--and hence distorted the entire meaning of my post.  Please read my comment again and reflect on whether I&#039;m equating the violence of white supremacy and the violence of autocentricity.

In fact, what I&#039;m saying is comparable is *the way people have excused* historically different forms of violence in the United States (the violence of the car, the violence of white supremacy).  This is a cultural as well as a political fact that progressive histories of the automobile and autocentric planning have demonstrated; a long bibliography exists.

Again, thanks for your reply.

A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaja, thanks for the reply to my comment.</p>
<p>You made a mistake, however, when you left out the actual subject phrase of my sentence&#8211;&#8221;the way people excuse the violence&#8221;&#8211;and hence distorted the entire meaning of my post.  Please read my comment again and reflect on whether I&#8217;m equating the violence of white supremacy and the violence of autocentricity.</p>
<p>In fact, what I&#8217;m saying is comparable is *the way people have excused* historically different forms of violence in the United States (the violence of the car, the violence of white supremacy).  This is a cultural as well as a political fact that progressive histories of the automobile and autocentric planning have demonstrated; a long bibliography exists.</p>
<p>Again, thanks for your reply.</p>
<p>A.</p>
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		<title>By: t</title>
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		<dc:creator>t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;It&#039;s not insane to observe that the violence of the private automobile is sometimes used as a tool of white supremacy.

Um, yes it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;It&#8217;s not insane to observe that the violence of the private automobile is sometimes used as a tool of white supremacy.</p>
<p>Um, yes it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/26/many-questions-remain-unanswered-in-aftermath-of-chinatown-deaths/comment-page-1/#comment-62191</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not insane to observe that the violence of the private automobile is sometimes &lt;a href=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9806E6DA123DF936A25752C1A96F958260&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;used as a tool&lt;/a&gt; of white supremacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not insane to observe that the violence of the private automobile is sometimes <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9806E6DA123DF936A25752C1A96F958260" rel="nofollow">used as a tool</a> of white supremacy.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Mork</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pursuant--

Reckless might not be the right word here.  But the evidence leads rather strongly to the conclusion that he was negligent in his duty to operate dangerous machinery in a manner which would avoid the deaths of innocents.  I&#039;m not a lawyer or a judge, but it appears eminently provable that this negligence was criminal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pursuant&#8211;</p>
<p>Reckless might not be the right word here.  But the evidence leads rather strongly to the conclusion that he was negligent in his duty to operate dangerous machinery in a manner which would avoid the deaths of innocents.  I&#8217;m not a lawyer or a judge, but it appears eminently provable that this negligence was criminal.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/26/many-questions-remain-unanswered-in-aftermath-of-chinatown-deaths/comment-page-1/#comment-62167</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; the violence of the private automobile is comparable to white supremacy

Even if you believe such insane things, you shouldn&#039;t say them, because you make the rest of us look cuckoo by association. 

The private automobile isn&#039;t like lynching black people. Rather, try: &quot;We&#039;re too reliant on the private car. It should be part of your life, at best, and not the sole method by which you&#039;re able to live your life.&quot;

Doesn&#039;t that sound a lot more palatable? A lot more /sane/?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; the violence of the private automobile is comparable to white supremacy</p>
<p>Even if you believe such insane things, you shouldn&#8217;t say them, because you make the rest of us look cuckoo by association. </p>
<p>The private automobile isn&#8217;t like lynching black people. Rather, try: &#8220;We&#8217;re too reliant on the private car. It should be part of your life, at best, and not the sole method by which you&#8217;re able to live your life.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t that sound a lot more palatable? A lot more /sane/?</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/26/many-questions-remain-unanswered-in-aftermath-of-chinatown-deaths/comment-page-1/#comment-62160</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about acts of civil disobedience to protest auto-centricity?

An even better analogy: the way people excuse the violence of the private automobile today is comparable to the way people excused the violence of white supremacy in this country up until (with a few notable exceptions) around 40 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about acts of civil disobedience to protest auto-centricity?</p>
<p>An even better analogy: the way people excuse the violence of the private automobile today is comparable to the way people excused the violence of white supremacy in this country up until (with a few notable exceptions) around 40 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazingly, if he had left his car in a completely safe, legal parking spot, but overstayed the meter limit by a few minutes, he&#039;d receive a ticket and be fined.  If he had parked too long in a loading zone, at no risk to anything but speedy commerce, he might have been towed.  If he had parked a few inches too close to a fire hydrant, he&#039;d also receive a ticket and pay through the nose.  How, then, does it make sense that after leaving his empty car running and in gear -- never mind the horrible tragedy that occurred as a result -- this guy receives absolutely no citation or ticket of any kind?  What&#039;s wrong with this picture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazingly, if he had left his car in a completely safe, legal parking spot, but overstayed the meter limit by a few minutes, he&#8217;d receive a ticket and be fined.  If he had parked too long in a loading zone, at no risk to anything but speedy commerce, he might have been towed.  If he had parked a few inches too close to a fire hydrant, he&#8217;d also receive a ticket and pay through the nose.  How, then, does it make sense that after leaving his empty car running and in gear &#8212; never mind the horrible tragedy that occurred as a result &#8212; this guy receives absolutely no citation or ticket of any kind?  What&#8217;s wrong with this picture?</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s no fucking baby!</description>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/26/many-questions-remain-unanswered-in-aftermath-of-chinatown-deaths/comment-page-1/#comment-62152</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; How much carnage before we realize that the private auto is not a good idea...

Are you trolling? Baby/bathwater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; How much carnage before we realize that the private auto is not a good idea&#8230;</p>
<p>Are you trolling? Baby/bathwater.</p>
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		<title>By: Pursuant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pursuant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a tragedy for the driver as well as the parents. I fail to see eye to eye with anyone who proposes he is guilty of some excessively reckless behavior. What happened was an unfortunate accident.

To prosecute a minor traffic infraction when weighed against having to live with the consequences of what happened seems a pointless mockery. It neither brings solace to those who have lost nor acknowledges the sincerity of what I assume any sentient person would feel having caused that loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a tragedy for the driver as well as the parents. I fail to see eye to eye with anyone who proposes he is guilty of some excessively reckless behavior. What happened was an unfortunate accident.</p>
<p>To prosecute a minor traffic infraction when weighed against having to live with the consequences of what happened seems a pointless mockery. It neither brings solace to those who have lost nor acknowledges the sincerity of what I assume any sentient person would feel having caused that loss.</p>
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		<title>By: fpteditors</title>
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		<dc:creator>fpteditors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much carnage before we realize that the private auto is not a good idea.... and never was?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much carnage before we realize that the private auto is not a good idea&#8230;. and never was?</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One possibility is that the police are afraid that the possibility of any penalty for anything other than obvious malice or drunkenness would significantly increase the number of hit-and-runs.  There are so many hit-and-runs anyway, I&#039;m not convinced it makes a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One possibility is that the police are afraid that the possibility of any penalty for anything other than obvious malice or drunkenness would significantly increase the number of hit-and-runs.  There are so many hit-and-runs anyway, I&#8217;m not convinced it makes a difference.</p>
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