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	<title>Comments on: Van Strikes 14 Pedestrians in Chinatown, Killing Two Children</title>
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		<title>By: Chinatown Resident</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/22/van-strikes-14-pedestrians-in-chinatown-killing-two-children/comment-page-2/#comment-63173</link>
		<dc:creator>Chinatown Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to E. Bdway today and saw at least 12 placarded government sector commuter cars there on both sides of E. Bdway in the Truck Loading Zones.  This occurs routinely Mon-Friday.  

Who can prove that the van driver HAD to double-park his vehicle that day, in this Truck Loading Zone, because of placarded vehicles taking most the curbside parking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to E. Bdway today and saw at least 12 placarded government sector commuter cars there on both sides of E. Bdway in the Truck Loading Zones.  This occurs routinely Mon-Friday.  </p>
<p>Who can prove that the van driver HAD to double-park his vehicle that day, in this Truck Loading Zone, because of placarded vehicles taking most the curbside parking?</p>
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		<title>By: Christa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or maybe its not an accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or maybe its not an accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Christa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The use of the word &quot;accident&quot; is an accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The use of the word "accident" is an accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Chinatown Resident</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/22/van-strikes-14-pedestrians-in-chinatown-killing-two-children/comment-page-2/#comment-62448</link>
		<dc:creator>Chinatown Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Practically ALL of you above have missed one glaring point here regarding this accident, with two children killed and many more injured - The van driver had to Double-Park - WHY?  Because that Truck Loading Zone on East Broadway between Catherine and Market Streets is routinely crowded with illegally parked government sector vehicles, M-F 9 to 5.  I was there today, Monday, 2/2/209, ten days after the incident, and I took plenty of pictures to prove it.  Granted, this is of course hindsight - but think about whether this accident would have occured if there were no illegally parked permit abusers on East Broadway and the van driver involved was simply able to park his van normally on the curb.  The NYPD, D.O.T. and Bloomberg need to wake up - Zero Tolerance for Placard Abusers!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Practically ALL of you above have missed one glaring point here regarding this accident, with two children killed and many more injured - The van driver had to Double-Park - WHY?  Because that Truck Loading Zone on East Broadway between Catherine and Market Streets is routinely crowded with illegally parked government sector vehicles, M-F 9 to 5.  I was there today, Monday, 2/2/209, ten days after the incident, and I took plenty of pictures to prove it.  Granted, this is of course hindsight - but think about whether this accident would have occured if there were no illegally parked permit abusers on East Broadway and the van driver involved was simply able to park his van normally on the curb.  The NYPD, D.O.T. and Bloomberg need to wake up - Zero Tolerance for Placard Abusers!!</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Barnett</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/22/van-strikes-14-pedestrians-in-chinatown-killing-two-children/comment-page-2/#comment-62112</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems the soho alliance would rather shut down everything its member(s) don&#039;t plan on personally using, from Chinese marketplaces to protected bicycle lanes, rather than figure out how those things can be safely and even pleasantly accommodated. The shortsighted part is, it&#039;s most often in one&#039;s own interest to accomodate other people&#039;s needs. You don&#039;t have to be a business that takes deliveries to benefit greatly from—to possibly have your life saved by—orderly loading zones. All the public has to give up are some parking spaces that for the most part it can&#039;t use anyway. In the past our city has lavishly accommodated personal cars almost to the exclusion of everything else, and certainly to the mortal danger of all, but that is changing and will continue to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems the soho alliance would rather shut down everything its member(s) don't plan on personally using, from Chinese marketplaces to protected bicycle lanes, rather than figure out how those things can be safely and even pleasantly accommodated. The shortsighted part is, it's most often in one's own interest to accomodate other people's needs. You don't have to be a business that takes deliveries to benefit greatly from—to possibly have your life saved by—orderly loading zones. All the public has to give up are some parking spaces that for the most part it can't use anyway. In the past our city has lavishly accommodated personal cars almost to the exclusion of everything else, and certainly to the mortal danger of all, but that is changing and will continue to.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/22/van-strikes-14-pedestrians-in-chinatown-killing-two-children/comment-page-2/#comment-62104</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 07:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; This odious, unwarranted and completely erroneous personal attack on me and the SoHo Alliance by commenter #1 must be addressed. 

No dude, it doesn&#039;t. You don&#039;t need to rebut at length every little slur posted on the internet about you. Your ego isn&#039;t that fragile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; This odious, unwarranted and completely erroneous personal attack on me and the SoHo Alliance by commenter #1 must be addressed. </p>
<p>No dude, it doesn't. You don't need to rebut at length every little slur posted on the internet about you. Your ego isn't that fragile.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 03:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, Sean, give people a chance.

One change that would both solve your Grand Street problems and make East Broadway safer: &lt;a href=&quot;http://capntransit.blogspot.com/2009/01/loading-zone-dishonesty-kills-children.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;well-designed loading zones&lt;/a&gt;.  I proposed this last month, but no response from you or your allies.  Should I expect one to be forthcoming?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, Sean, give people a chance.</p>
<p>One change that would both solve your Grand Street problems and make East Broadway safer: <a href="http://capntransit.blogspot.com/2009/01/loading-zone-dishonesty-kills-children.html" rel="nofollow">well-designed loading zones</a>.  I proposed this last month, but no response from you or your allies.  Should I expect one to be forthcoming?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Sweeney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 02:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I wonder if this sort of thing bothers Sean Sweeney, mayor of SoHo? Probably not.&quot;

This odious, unwarranted and completely erroneous personal attack on me and the SoHo Alliance by commenter #1 must be addressed.  Clearly the commenter&#039;s arrogance is exceeded only by his ignorance.

For the record, the SoHo Alliance (with the financial assistance from a local philanthropic environmental and cycling activist) sued the owners of World Farm in SoHo to prevent the very accident that occurred in Chinatown yesterday. 

World Farm was a food delivery company that brought thousands of illegal 18-wheelers delivering fresh Asian vegetables for the Chinatown market into our neighborhood before dawn, running the motors and polluting our air for hours until the business opened. 

Smaller vans, like the one that killed the children, would then arrive, illegally park, sometimes on the sidewalk, and then speed down Broadway to deliver to the restaurants(sound familiar?). 

World Farm forklift trucks would careen and ply our SIDEWALKS with impunity from the police till the lawsuit was filed.

Indeed, one unlicensed World Farm driver killed a pedestrian on the very block where this week&#039;s tragic accident occurred!

Thanks in part to our efforts, World Farm and other of these rogue food delivery companies are no longer in business. SoHo and NYC is safer thanks to our efforts.

Read the NYT account of the legal actions:http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE5DF113DF931A2575AC0A96F958260&amp;sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=all

Marty Barfowitz owes an apology, not only for his unprovoked juvenile ad hominem attack, but for his incredible lack of knowledge on this subject.
Why do I expect none will be forthcoming?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I wonder if this sort of thing bothers Sean Sweeney, mayor of SoHo? Probably not."</p>
<p>This odious, unwarranted and completely erroneous personal attack on me and the SoHo Alliance by commenter #1 must be addressed.  Clearly the commenter's arrogance is exceeded only by his ignorance.</p>
<p>For the record, the SoHo Alliance (with the financial assistance from a local philanthropic environmental and cycling activist) sued the owners of World Farm in SoHo to prevent the very accident that occurred in Chinatown yesterday. </p>
<p>World Farm was a food delivery company that brought thousands of illegal 18-wheelers delivering fresh Asian vegetables for the Chinatown market into our neighborhood before dawn, running the motors and polluting our air for hours until the business opened. </p>
<p>Smaller vans, like the one that killed the children, would then arrive, illegally park, sometimes on the sidewalk, and then speed down Broadway to deliver to the restaurants(sound familiar?). </p>
<p>World Farm forklift trucks would careen and ply our SIDEWALKS with impunity from the police till the lawsuit was filed.</p>
<p>Indeed, one unlicensed World Farm driver killed a pedestrian on the very block where this week's tragic accident occurred!</p>
<p>Thanks in part to our efforts, World Farm and other of these rogue food delivery companies are no longer in business. SoHo and NYC is safer thanks to our efforts.</p>
<p>Read the NYT account of the legal actions:http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE5DF113DF931A2575AC0A96F958260&amp;sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=all</p>
<p>Marty Barfowitz owes an apology, not only for his unprovoked juvenile ad hominem attack, but for his incredible lack of knowledge on this subject.<br />
Why do I expect none will be forthcoming?</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danny L, just to defend my honor, _I_ didn&#039;t say that E. Broadway was too narrow, I quoted someone from the Times&#039; comments and then called the comment &quot;scary&quot;.

And I generally agree with Doug.  Accidents do happen because of personal error and infrastructure which allows them to take place.  I have bike accidents, or engage in behavior that makes me more likely to have bike accidents on a weekly basis.  The difference is on my bike that usually only means I don&#039;t leave myself enough stopping room so I have to swerve whereas in a car it means lives are at stake.  I really do feel sorry for some of the drivers.  Some of them were doing things we all have done while driving but we were _lucky_ enough to not have caused any harm (hopefully).  Maybe the rest of you are better than me but I know while driving I have done things and then quickly realized &quot;wow, if X had been in Y place I could have caused some real damage&quot;.  But, yes, I think sentences for these people... _at least_ tickets and fines... are in order, but I think we would be better to focus on infrastructure.  My friend left his car in drive in our high school parking lot and it lurched and hit the back of another car.  $200 in damage and it was over.  It was his fault and it could have been worse.  But in NYC it&#039;s pedestrians next to cars when you leave your car in gear and people get hurt.  We need to organize our traffic patters to protect against that because if people are allowed to have cars like they do now in the city then there will be accidents.  But, leaving your van in reverse is extreme negligence in this case and not one of the accidents I feel sorry for.  It should be the same punishment as accidentally firing a shot from a pistol you thought was empty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny L, just to defend my honor, _I_ didn't say that E. Broadway was too narrow, I quoted someone from the Times' comments and then called the comment "scary".</p>
<p>And I generally agree with Doug.  Accidents do happen because of personal error and infrastructure which allows them to take place.  I have bike accidents, or engage in behavior that makes me more likely to have bike accidents on a weekly basis.  The difference is on my bike that usually only means I don't leave myself enough stopping room so I have to swerve whereas in a car it means lives are at stake.  I really do feel sorry for some of the drivers.  Some of them were doing things we all have done while driving but we were _lucky_ enough to not have caused any harm (hopefully).  Maybe the rest of you are better than me but I know while driving I have done things and then quickly realized "wow, if X had been in Y place I could have caused some real damage".  But, yes, I think sentences for these people... _at least_ tickets and fines... are in order, but I think we would be better to focus on infrastructure.  My friend left his car in drive in our high school parking lot and it lurched and hit the back of another car.  $200 in damage and it was over.  It was his fault and it could have been worse.  But in NYC it's pedestrians next to cars when you leave your car in gear and people get hurt.  We need to organize our traffic patters to protect against that because if people are allowed to have cars like they do now in the city then there will be accidents.  But, leaving your van in reverse is extreme negligence in this case and not one of the accidents I feel sorry for.  It should be the same punishment as accidentally firing a shot from a pistol you thought was empty.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric McClure</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/22/van-strikes-14-pedestrians-in-chinatown-killing-two-children/comment-page-2/#comment-62042</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric McClure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaja, I would imagine the charge for leaving an unattended gun around for a child to pick up and accidentally shoot himself would probably be criminally negligent homicide. Leaving an unattended van idling and in gear and having it plow into a group of children seems not so different to me.

But analogies and semantics don&#039;t really matter. Two kids are dead.  How are we as a society going to learn form this, and how are we going to respond?  History would indicate that nothing will change, and that&#039;s not acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaja, I would imagine the charge for leaving an unattended gun around for a child to pick up and accidentally shoot himself would probably be criminally negligent homicide. Leaving an unattended van idling and in gear and having it plow into a group of children seems not so different to me.</p>
<p>But analogies and semantics don't really matter. Two kids are dead.  How are we as a society going to learn form this, and how are we going to respond?  History would indicate that nothing will change, and that's not acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: LJ Ten</title>
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		<dc:creator>LJ Ten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can they choose not to charge him with criminally negligent homicide?  The van was left by the driver in an illegal position:  perpendicular to the sidewalk. The driver also failed to park it.  If he left the motor running for more that 2 minutes, he was also breaking another law. That should be sufficient for this to at least go to homicide grand jury.  If a father is cleaning his gun and it goes off, accidentally killing his kid, the father is charged and it goes to homicide grand jury.   This should as well. 


LJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can they choose not to charge him with criminally negligent homicide?  The van was left by the driver in an illegal position:  perpendicular to the sidewalk. The driver also failed to park it.  If he left the motor running for more that 2 minutes, he was also breaking another law. That should be sufficient for this to at least go to homicide grand jury.  If a father is cleaning his gun and it goes off, accidentally killing his kid, the father is charged and it goes to homicide grand jury.   This should as well. </p>
<p>LJ</p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right Kaja--I was speaking more to the typical crash where the motorist volitionally accelerates, that the precise scenario in Chinatown.  I think Dart&#039;s piano analogy is better for this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right Kaja--I was speaking more to the typical crash where the motorist volitionally accelerates, that the precise scenario in Chinatown.  I think Dart's piano analogy is better for this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gun analogies are pretty lame, foks.

Guns don&#039;t &#039;go off&#039;, the trigger needs to be pulled, usually with many pounds of force. You can throw a loaded gun across the room and odds are extremely good it won&#039;t go off. 

This seems like criminally negligent homicide, not that I&#039;m a lawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gun analogies are pretty lame, foks.</p>
<p>Guns don't 'go off', the trigger needs to be pulled, usually with many pounds of force. You can throw a loaded gun across the room and odds are extremely good it won't go off. </p>
<p>This seems like criminally negligent homicide, not that I'm a lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Mork</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bicycles only:

I think the angry response that you got from the driver shows that your question about coming close to his kids made him realize the truth of your argument -- 

I often wonder what the best rejoinder is to an angry response with this (if you can even can another word in at this point.)

Maybe it&#039;s just a calm &quot;I can see that this made you angry -- I hope you&#039;ll keep this in mind when you see other people on the road.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bicycles only:</p>
<p>I think the angry response that you got from the driver shows that your question about coming close to his kids made him realize the truth of your argument -- </p>
<p>I often wonder what the best rejoinder is to an angry response with this (if you can even can another word in at this point.)</p>
<p>Maybe it's just a calm "I can see that this made you angry -- I hope you'll keep this in mind when you see other people on the road."</p>
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		<title>By: Eric McClure</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric McClure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More like leaving a loaded gun unlocked and unattended. Van just took it on itself to throw itself into reverse and zoom up onto the sidewalk. They report it was a Ford, but I&#039;m betting it was really an Audi:

&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.audifans.com/archives/1998/07/msg02177.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lurching Into Reverse&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More like leaving a loaded gun unlocked and unattended. Van just took it on itself to throw itself into reverse and zoom up onto the sidewalk. They report it was a Ford, but I'm betting it was really an Audi:</p>
<p><i><a href="http://www.audifans.com/archives/1998/07/msg02177.html" rel="nofollow">Lurching Into Reverse</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: BicyclesOnly</title>
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		<dc:creator>BicyclesOnly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the best analogy to this situation is that of taking a loaded gun, and shooting it down a city street not directly at, but near, people.  In the case of the motor vehicle, there may not be an intention to kill anyone, but the act is comparably effective in producing serious injury or death, and should be undertaken with just as much caution.  Failure to use adequate caution ought to be punished just as severely--at least when the scenario plays out as it did in Chinatown.

Just last night, my 11 year old son and I were riding home from his performance in a school play, one block from our home.  We were riding about 1/3 of the way into the traffic lane next to the parking lane, which was full of parked cars.  My son was riding about 4 bike lengths in front of me, and there was a car passing in the traffic lane to our left.  An SUV drove past us at a speed I estimate at no less than 40 mph, and probably closer the 50 mph.  The SUV&#039;s passenger side-view mirror came within a foot of my son&#039;s head as it squeaked past the car on its left and my son on its right, with the dashed line dividing the two traffic lanes underneath the SUV. In a moment, I went from musing over my son&#039;s wonderful performance that evening to contemplating his sudden death.


The light ahead was red, so the SUV was racing simply to get position over the other traffic headed toward the red light (including us).  The SUV was still waiting at the red light by the time my son and I got there.  I engaged the driver in conversation and asked why he needed to speed 40 mph past an 11 year old and nearly hit him.  He said &quot;show me your radar gun.&quot;  I told him he knew he was speeding and asked him if he had kids.  He looked into the back of his SUV and I saw indeed that he had some kids in the back, in child seats.  I asked him how he would feel if someone came as close to his kids as he just came to mine.  He told me, in front of his kids and mine, for me to &quot;take [my] bicycle pump and shove it up [my] ass, you f*ing faggot.&quot;   I noticed that he was wearing an blue MTA jacket with the patch on the shoulder.

This is all too often the attitude you get from motorists when you call them on the deadly risks they take.  Motorists often are completely unwilling to accept that they have any responsibility for the safety of others.  In the minds of these motorists any harm they do is an &quot;accident&quot;, because the harm was not specifically intended by them.  It seems to me that this style of driving, in SUVs where the motorist can barely see objects close to the vehicle, with virtually no enforcement of speed limit, in the context of a pedestrian-rich, crowded urban environment including bicyclists, is as close as you can get to intending to cause harm without actually so intending.  To insist on using the word &quot;accident&quot; in order to ensure that a motorist that harms others is not mistakenly viewed as intending to cause harm (if in fact that is the case), is to completely obscure the problem and ignore the realities of the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the best analogy to this situation is that of taking a loaded gun, and shooting it down a city street not directly at, but near, people.  In the case of the motor vehicle, there may not be an intention to kill anyone, but the act is comparably effective in producing serious injury or death, and should be undertaken with just as much caution.  Failure to use adequate caution ought to be punished just as severely--at least when the scenario plays out as it did in Chinatown.</p>
<p>Just last night, my 11 year old son and I were riding home from his performance in a school play, one block from our home.  We were riding about 1/3 of the way into the traffic lane next to the parking lane, which was full of parked cars.  My son was riding about 4 bike lengths in front of me, and there was a car passing in the traffic lane to our left.  An SUV drove past us at a speed I estimate at no less than 40 mph, and probably closer the 50 mph.  The SUV's passenger side-view mirror came within a foot of my son's head as it squeaked past the car on its left and my son on its right, with the dashed line dividing the two traffic lanes underneath the SUV. In a moment, I went from musing over my son's wonderful performance that evening to contemplating his sudden death.</p>
<p>The light ahead was red, so the SUV was racing simply to get position over the other traffic headed toward the red light (including us).  The SUV was still waiting at the red light by the time my son and I got there.  I engaged the driver in conversation and asked why he needed to speed 40 mph past an 11 year old and nearly hit him.  He said "show me your radar gun."  I told him he knew he was speeding and asked him if he had kids.  He looked into the back of his SUV and I saw indeed that he had some kids in the back, in child seats.  I asked him how he would feel if someone came as close to his kids as he just came to mine.  He told me, in front of his kids and mine, for me to "take [my] bicycle pump and shove it up [my] ass, you f*ing faggot."   I noticed that he was wearing an blue MTA jacket with the patch on the shoulder.</p>
<p>This is all too often the attitude you get from motorists when you call them on the deadly risks they take.  Motorists often are completely unwilling to accept that they have any responsibility for the safety of others.  In the minds of these motorists any harm they do is an "accident", because the harm was not specifically intended by them.  It seems to me that this style of driving, in SUVs where the motorist can barely see objects close to the vehicle, with virtually no enforcement of speed limit, in the context of a pedestrian-rich, crowded urban environment including bicyclists, is as close as you can get to intending to cause harm without actually so intending.  To insist on using the word "accident" in order to ensure that a motorist that harms others is not mistakenly viewed as intending to cause harm (if in fact that is the case), is to completely obscure the problem and ignore the realities of the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The act of driving is violent in the sense that rough seas are violent, but I don&#039;t expect that kind of inflammatory language in reporting. In editorial, though, &quot;violent&quot; is entirely appropriate to describe the overall roadway death toll, to make people think about the physical, human cost of automobile dependency. Hundreds of New Yorkers being crushed to death every year—no word is too strong for that.

And now it appears that the driver wasn&#039;t in the vehicle:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/nyregion/23crash.html

Which in my view makes it no more or less worthy to be dismissed as an &quot;accident&quot;. If most fatal crashes are caused by everyday driver negligence coupled with bad luck, something that &quot;could happen to anyone&quot; (who drives regularly), then those are the circumstances we should &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; be forgetting and moving on from but the ones that are due the greatest attention, so as to save the most lives.

I was unhappily surprised by Stringer&#039;s Park Row non sequitur as well. It&#039;s wrong on the point of congestion, which will never be fended off by increased (or restored) downtown capacity alone, and wrong on congestion being a factor in this crash. If the driver left his van running unattended in a bicycle lane (not saintly behavior, by any means), it would point to the need for loading zones and parking reform. Even a congestion solution that would work, like pricing, wouldn&#039;t free up legitimate load/unload spaces for businesses to stop and TURN OFF their vehicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The act of driving is violent in the sense that rough seas are violent, but I don't expect that kind of inflammatory language in reporting. In editorial, though, "violent" is entirely appropriate to describe the overall roadway death toll, to make people think about the physical, human cost of automobile dependency. Hundreds of New Yorkers being crushed to death every year—no word is too strong for that.</p>
<p>And now it appears that the driver wasn't in the vehicle:<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/nyregion/23crash.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/nyregion/23crash.html</a></p>
<p>Which in my view makes it no more or less worthy to be dismissed as an "accident". If most fatal crashes are caused by everyday driver negligence coupled with bad luck, something that "could happen to anyone" (who drives regularly), then those are the circumstances we should <i>not</i> be forgetting and moving on from but the ones that are due the greatest attention, so as to save the most lives.</p>
<p>I was unhappily surprised by Stringer's Park Row non sequitur as well. It's wrong on the point of congestion, which will never be fended off by increased (or restored) downtown capacity alone, and wrong on congestion being a factor in this crash. If the driver left his van running unattended in a bicycle lane (not saintly behavior, by any means), it would point to the need for loading zones and parking reform. Even a congestion solution that would work, like pricing, wouldn't free up legitimate load/unload spaces for businesses to stop and TURN OFF their vehicles.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;DUH!&quot;

The actual story is a whole lot different than &quot;a maniac wielding an out-of-control van on a busy sidewalk filled with kids -- I suspect it won&#039;t draw a single utterance from the mayor.&quot; (from Post #1)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"DUH!"</p>
<p>The actual story is a whole lot different than "a maniac wielding an out-of-control van on a busy sidewalk filled with kids -- I suspect it won't draw a single utterance from the mayor." (from Post #1)</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Berkman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Berkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DUH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DUH!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Times has now updated their story as new facts have come to light:
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An unoccupied van that had been left in reverse mounted a sidewalk and rammed into a group of preschool students on a busy street in Chinatown on Thursday, killing two of the children and injuring at least 11 other people, the authorities said.
...
The driver of the van, identified as Chao Fu, 52, of Brooklyn, was not charged; his license and registration papers were in order and he tested negative for alcohol, said Paul J. Browne, the police spokesman. Mr. Chao had double-parked and entered a store, leaving the van running and in reverse gear, thinking it was in park, Mr. Browne said.

Mr. Chao first realized that the vehicle had moved “when he came out of the store and it had already crashed,” Mr. Browne said.
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The line of children, 14 in all, had stopped outside a store and had just started to walk again when the accident occurred. The van began moving in reverse, Mr. Browne said, and traveled several car lengths backward. Then the wheel started to turn to the left, the van climbed the curb and plowed into the children, “killing one on the spot,” Mr. Browne said.

Investigators later saw video of the empty van moving, and then striking the children. 

Witnesses who were not aware that the van was unoccupied said they thought it was attempting a three-point turn. 
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Full article here - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/nyregion/23crash.html

I&#039;m assuming the video refers to footage taken by a security camera since I doubt some tourist was conveniently taking footage of the event.  But it&#039;s not a case of &quot;he said / she said&quot; since the police have indisputable evidence.

I suspect the van slipped into reverse because if it was in reverse gear from the beginning it would have begun moving right away.  I&#039;ve driven rental trucks where the shift lever was imprecise.

There was no 3 point turn and the driver didn&#039;t deliberately drive up on the sidewalk.

The driver&#039;s tragic mistake was that he left the engine on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Times has now updated their story as new facts have come to light:<br />
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An unoccupied van that had been left in reverse mounted a sidewalk and rammed into a group of preschool students on a busy street in Chinatown on Thursday, killing two of the children and injuring at least 11 other people, the authorities said.<br />
...<br />
The driver of the van, identified as Chao Fu, 52, of Brooklyn, was not charged; his license and registration papers were in order and he tested negative for alcohol, said Paul J. Browne, the police spokesman. Mr. Chao had double-parked and entered a store, leaving the van running and in reverse gear, thinking it was in park, Mr. Browne said.</p>
<p>Mr. Chao first realized that the vehicle had moved “when he came out of the store and it had already crashed,” Mr. Browne said.<br />
...<br />
The line of children, 14 in all, had stopped outside a store and had just started to walk again when the accident occurred. The van began moving in reverse, Mr. Browne said, and traveled several car lengths backward. Then the wheel started to turn to the left, the van climbed the curb and plowed into the children, “killing one on the spot,” Mr. Browne said.</p>
<p>Investigators later saw video of the empty van moving, and then striking the children. </p>
<p>Witnesses who were not aware that the van was unoccupied said they thought it was attempting a three-point turn.<br />
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Full article here - <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/nyregion/23crash.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/nyregion/23crash.html</a></p>
<p>I'm assuming the video refers to footage taken by a security camera since I doubt some tourist was conveniently taking footage of the event.  But it's not a case of "he said / she said" since the police have indisputable evidence.</p>
<p>I suspect the van slipped into reverse because if it was in reverse gear from the beginning it would have begun moving right away.  I've driven rental trucks where the shift lever was imprecise.</p>
<p>There was no 3 point turn and the driver didn't deliberately drive up on the sidewalk.</p>
<p>The driver's tragic mistake was that he left the engine on.</p>
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