Comments on: Making the Connections on Stimulus Spending http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/22/making-the-connections-on-stimulus-spending/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rhywun http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/22/making-the-connections-on-stimulus-spending/comment-page-1/#comment-61999 Rhywun Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:01:38 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5303#comment-61999 Nice try guys, but those little parks--which probably nobody is watching--look like they would make ideal hangouts for delinquents and pedophiles. I'd rather walk down proper *streets* myself. Nice try guys, but those little parks–which probably nobody is watching–look like they would make ideal hangouts for delinquents and pedophiles. I’d rather walk down proper *streets* myself.

]]> By: Kaja http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/22/making-the-connections-on-stimulus-spending/comment-page-1/#comment-61970 Kaja Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:12:22 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5303#comment-61970 Yeah, I just read his link. Gonna have to call lolz on it. Yeah, I just read his link. Gonna have to call lolz on it.

]]> By: Rhywun http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/22/making-the-connections-on-stimulus-spending/comment-page-1/#comment-61957 Rhywun Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:38:47 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5303#comment-61957 <blockquote>"Traditional grid ... many fourpoint intersections in residential areas make walking less safe"</blockquote> C'mon... Jane Jacobs disproved that nonsense forty years ago.

“Traditional grid … many fourpoint intersections in residential areas make walking less safe”

C’mon… Jane Jacobs disproved that nonsense forty years ago.

]]> By: Kaja http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/22/making-the-connections-on-stimulus-spending/comment-page-1/#comment-61954 Kaja Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:32:08 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5303#comment-61954 Seems odd to me that that 'conventional loops' (read, recent inventions, untested over long periods of time) are purportedly safer for peds. I haven't time now to follow your link, but would you really rather walk down a 32-foot-wide suburban traffic sewer with two-foot sidewalks and SUVs doing 55mph, than a straight road where they can see you and you're separated by parallel-parked cars? I will be amazed if good science bears this out. Seems odd to me that that ‘conventional loops’ (read, recent inventions, untested over long periods of time) are purportedly safer for peds.

I haven’t time now to follow your link, but would you really rather walk down a 32-foot-wide suburban traffic sewer with two-foot sidewalks and SUVs doing 55mph, than a straight road where they can see you and you’re separated by parallel-parked cars?

I will be amazed if good science bears this out.

]]> By: W. K. Lis http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/22/making-the-connections-on-stimulus-spending/comment-page-1/#comment-61952 W. K. Lis Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:41:12 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5303#comment-61952 There was an article back in 2005 in the Canadian Geographic ( http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/Magazine/ja05/alacarte.asp ) that helps explain the road grid patterns: Traditional grid • direct, convenient routes throughout • easy to navigate • more paved area for roads • through traffic and many fourpoint intersections in residential areas make walking less safe Conventional loop and cul-de-sac • long routes to get short distances • harder to navigate • less paved area • safer for pedestrians • open space beyond walking distance for most residents There was an article back in 2005 in the Canadian Geographic ( http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/Magazine/ja05/alacarte.asp ) that helps explain the road grid patterns:

Traditional grid
• direct, convenient routes throughout
• easy to navigate
• more paved area for roads
• through traffic and many fourpoint intersections in residential areas make walking less safe

Conventional loop and cul-de-sac
• long routes to get short distances
• harder to navigate
• less paved area
• safer for pedestrians
• open space beyond walking distance for most residents

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