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	<title>Comments on: Did Team Obama Gut Transit Funds From the Stimulus Package?</title>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Lindner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/21/did-team-obama-gut-transit-funds-from-the-stimulus-package/comment-page-1/#comment-62052</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Lindner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Summers will be around forever though. I suspect things will get exceedingly bad as Obama is trying to work within obstacles that he mistakenly sees as constraints. And at that point the kinds of things he really needs to do and who can make (or rather, is making) them happen will be very clear to him. 

As for taking a page from the highway lobbyists&#039; book, lobbying and narcolepsy-inducing ads are not the way. A loud, credible, persuasive, ongoing presence making real progress is the way. He&#039;ll come around when he has no other choice.

In the short term, jobs are good, even highway jobs. I have friends who could have died in the bridge collapse in Minneapolis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Summers will be around forever though. I suspect things will get exceedingly bad as Obama is trying to work within obstacles that he mistakenly sees as constraints. And at that point the kinds of things he really needs to do and who can make (or rather, is making) them happen will be very clear to him. </p>
<p>As for taking a page from the highway lobbyists&#8217; book, lobbying and narcolepsy-inducing ads are not the way. A loud, credible, persuasive, ongoing presence making real progress is the way. He&#8217;ll come around when he has no other choice.</p>
<p>In the short term, jobs are good, even highway jobs. I have friends who could have died in the bridge collapse in Minneapolis.</p>
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		<title>By: transitioner</title>
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		<dc:creator>transitioner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not speculation. Summers believes that highway building results in quicker job creation.  And Summers tends to get what he wants.  Are there any groups with science-based ammunition to disprove this?  Isn&#039;t that what Transportation for America was set up to do?

I&#039;m disappointed in the Administration for being so short-sighted, but even more disappointed that the advocacy community is not ready to push against the current bill.  Oberstar alone can&#039;t save this.  The highway lobby can teach us a lot about how to get our voice heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not speculation. Summers believes that highway building results in quicker job creation.  And Summers tends to get what he wants.  Are there any groups with science-based ammunition to disprove this?  Isn&#8217;t that what Transportation for America was set up to do?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m disappointed in the Administration for being so short-sighted, but even more disappointed that the advocacy community is not ready to push against the current bill.  Oberstar alone can&#8217;t save this.  The highway lobby can teach us a lot about how to get our voice heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/21/did-team-obama-gut-transit-funds-from-the-stimulus-package/comment-page-1/#comment-61950</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 16:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(As far as I know, the 50/50 is generally applied to big new transit capacity projects like LIRR-GCT. If you know people at the MTA, ask what the federal share is for stuff like track work, subway signals, stations and the like.)

The federal share might be 50-50 for buses, which everyone has, and it might be 50-50 for project in other parts of the country, but it is much less here, even for rehabs.

Not only that, for highways the 80% is guaranteed no matter how high costs go.  But for transit projects the FTA requires a &quot;full funding agreement&quot; -- the transit agency covers all over-runs.  So that massive increase in construction costs for transit here didn&#039;t lead to any additional federal aid.  That&#039;s one reason the highway portion of the trust fund went broke and the transit portion did not.

One thing you can say for federal aid -- it is the only cash that has been put into the MTA capital plan for more than a decade.  Even MTA funding from the state or city has been borrowed, it&#039;s just that the debt is on someone else&#039;s books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(As far as I know, the 50/50 is generally applied to big new transit capacity projects like LIRR-GCT. If you know people at the MTA, ask what the federal share is for stuff like track work, subway signals, stations and the like.)</p>
<p>The federal share might be 50-50 for buses, which everyone has, and it might be 50-50 for project in other parts of the country, but it is much less here, even for rehabs.</p>
<p>Not only that, for highways the 80% is guaranteed no matter how high costs go.  But for transit projects the FTA requires a &#8220;full funding agreement&#8221; &#8212; the transit agency covers all over-runs.  So that massive increase in construction costs for transit here didn&#8217;t lead to any additional federal aid.  That&#8217;s one reason the highway portion of the trust fund went broke and the transit portion did not.</p>
<p>One thing you can say for federal aid &#8212; it is the only cash that has been put into the MTA capital plan for more than a decade.  Even MTA funding from the state or city has been borrowed, it&#8217;s just that the debt is on someone else&#8217;s books.</p>
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		<title>By: Shemp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know, the 50/50 is generally applied to big new transit capacity projects like LIRR-GCT.  If you know people at the MTA, ask what the federal share is for stuff like track work, subway signals, stations and the like (done from FTA formula funds, not discretionary &quot;new starts&quot; funding). 

On your other point, consider that NY State has essentially 3 gas taxes - the motor fuels tax, the petroleum business tax and the supplemental petroleum business tax.  All go into transportation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know, the 50/50 is generally applied to big new transit capacity projects like LIRR-GCT.  If you know people at the MTA, ask what the federal share is for stuff like track work, subway signals, stations and the like (done from FTA formula funds, not discretionary &#8220;new starts&#8221; funding). </p>
<p>On your other point, consider that NY State has essentially 3 gas taxes &#8211; the motor fuels tax, the petroleum business tax and the supplemental petroleum business tax.  All go into transportation.</p>
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		<title>By: Niccolo Machiavelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niccolo Machiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah but Shemp isn&#039;t it a deal where to &quot;do the right thing&quot; in road spending its an 80/20 Fed/State ratio and to &quot;do the right thing&quot; in transit the state has to come up with 50/50?

The transit piece is the only Fed transfer payment that brings money back to New York from the &quot;donor&quot; states.  They consider themselves donors because they burn lots of oil per capita.  By their logic, since they waste more oil they should get more of the oil tax. I think that is called a perverse incentive.

Of course, any of the big urban states who don&#039;t drill oil could get back at the oil patch and the rest of the country by simply taxing oil, imported and domestic, and spending the money on our own transit.  We haven&#039;t taken that path,,,yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah but Shemp isn&#8217;t it a deal where to &#8220;do the right thing&#8221; in road spending its an 80/20 Fed/State ratio and to &#8220;do the right thing&#8221; in transit the state has to come up with 50/50?</p>
<p>The transit piece is the only Fed transfer payment that brings money back to New York from the &#8220;donor&#8221; states.  They consider themselves donors because they burn lots of oil per capita.  By their logic, since they waste more oil they should get more of the oil tax. I think that is called a perverse incentive.</p>
<p>Of course, any of the big urban states who don&#8217;t drill oil could get back at the oil patch and the rest of the country by simply taxing oil, imported and domestic, and spending the money on our own transit.  We haven&#8217;t taken that path,,,yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Shemp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What people also don&#039;t get is that &quot;highway&quot; funding is shorthand for money from the Federal Highway Administration, which in New York City and elsewhere (see earlier post on Portland OR&#039;s list) is used for everything from subway station renovation to bike lanes.  Basically, the places that are doing the right thing now will be able to do more of it under the recovery bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What people also don&#8217;t get is that &#8220;highway&#8221; funding is shorthand for money from the Federal Highway Administration, which in New York City and elsewhere (see earlier post on Portland OR&#8217;s list) is used for everything from subway station renovation to bike lanes.  Basically, the places that are doing the right thing now will be able to do more of it under the recovery bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love public transportation there should be more of it, etc. but I feel like people here don&#039;t understand that the theory undergirding the stimulus plan is to spend a lot of money fast. At the state level there&#039;s simply way more projects that can be funded in a short amount of time (There are 49 non-New York states remember). Also, in order to get this through congress you have to demonstrate that the stimulus bill will address the economy&#039;s SHORT-TERM stimulus needs and not burden the economy with the type of LONG-TERM costs that an expansion of public transit would require.

That said, I think whatever they spend on public transportation is worth the investment, but you have to look at this in the context of a collapsing economy and what is politically feasible in the very short term. Funding for public transportation is great but I think it&#039;s unrealistic not to expect to see it decoupled from a fiscal stimulus bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love public transportation there should be more of it, etc. but I feel like people here don&#8217;t understand that the theory undergirding the stimulus plan is to spend a lot of money fast. At the state level there&#8217;s simply way more projects that can be funded in a short amount of time (There are 49 non-New York states remember). Also, in order to get this through congress you have to demonstrate that the stimulus bill will address the economy&#8217;s SHORT-TERM stimulus needs and not burden the economy with the type of LONG-TERM costs that an expansion of public transit would require.</p>
<p>That said, I think whatever they spend on public transportation is worth the investment, but you have to look at this in the context of a collapsing economy and what is politically feasible in the very short term. Funding for public transportation is great but I think it&#8217;s unrealistic not to expect to see it decoupled from a fiscal stimulus bill.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But why would a self-professed pro-urban, pro-transit, anti-oil dependence admin pull the plug on the progressive portion of this transportation spending proposal?&quot;

Because they&#039;re liars.  Obama&#039;s actions almost always vary considerably from his rhetoric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But why would a self-professed pro-urban, pro-transit, anti-oil dependence admin pull the plug on the progressive portion of this transportation spending proposal?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because they&#8217;re liars.  Obama&#8217;s actions almost always vary considerably from his rhetoric.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll say it again -- I want universal health care financing at the federal level, by October.  If we can do it for senior citizens, we can do it for younger generations as well.

And it exchange, I&#039;d be happy to have all federal infrastructure spending disappear.  With all the money the city would save on Medicaid and retiree health care, it could pay for its own infrastructure, based on its own priorities.

The serfs have a tough enough time with transportation priorities the NYC Council, but at least have a figthing chance.  

Albany is far worse, especially when led by the current generation greed in charge.  

Washington?  Where&#039;s our $3 billion per year indefinately for the MTA, Mr. Weiner?  Deadline October 2009.  But I&#039;ll take universal health care as an acceptable substitute.  There you go Weiner, I&#039;m giving you two paths to my vote.  No excuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say it again &#8212; I want universal health care financing at the federal level, by October.  If we can do it for senior citizens, we can do it for younger generations as well.</p>
<p>And it exchange, I&#8217;d be happy to have all federal infrastructure spending disappear.  With all the money the city would save on Medicaid and retiree health care, it could pay for its own infrastructure, based on its own priorities.</p>
<p>The serfs have a tough enough time with transportation priorities the NYC Council, but at least have a figthing chance.  </p>
<p>Albany is far worse, especially when led by the current generation greed in charge.  </p>
<p>Washington?  Where&#8217;s our $3 billion per year indefinately for the MTA, Mr. Weiner?  Deadline October 2009.  But I&#8217;ll take universal health care as an acceptable substitute.  There you go Weiner, I&#8217;m giving you two paths to my vote.  No excuses.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, highway stimulus money is like Monopoly money and can be tossed around with abandon and transit funding &quot;could be invested in a more deliberate, effective way -- and over a sustained period of time.&quot; No thanks. Give transit the same sacks of cash that highways are getting or make the road builders play by the same rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, highway stimulus money is like Monopoly money and can be tossed around with abandon and transit funding &#8220;could be invested in a more deliberate, effective way &#8212; and over a sustained period of time.&#8221; No thanks. Give transit the same sacks of cash that highways are getting or make the road builders play by the same rules.</p>
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