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		<title>By: Charley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Opponents.  And *Spatial now that I double checked.  I posted too soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Opponents.  And *Spatial now that I double checked.  I posted too soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/14/todays-headlines-563/comment-page-1/#comment-61657</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loooove Freakonomics!  This is exactly the way we should be thinking about policy.  While the Freakonomics article doesn&#039;t mention much more than using tolls to get an efficient outcome in traffic, you could easily apply the same arguments and use it to accurately capture all externalities thrown off by drivers.

There are a few more dimensions of inequity however that they don&#039;t really get into (one of which I am SOOO glad opponenets to Congestion Pricing don&#039;t truly understand).  First, if you bring public transit into the mix, congestion pricing becomes a transfer payment from those who drive to those who take mass transit, which ends up in aggregate being an equitable transfer.

However, you also have spacial inequity.  Eric is talking more about a &quot;turnpike style&quot; toll rather than a bridge &quot;one time&quot; toll.  This will further raise land prices closer to the center of the city, making it more unaffordable for people who would choose to move there given the new toll.

Which is why I would say you counter that with having a bias towards expanding public transit further away from the city center, rather than closer in.  The net result becomes a transfer payment from all car drivers to the poorest and least served mass transit users.

This sort of thinking was completely different when we were dealing with poorer inner cities surrounded by wealthy suburbs, but this is changing, and we have to adapt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loooove Freakonomics!  This is exactly the way we should be thinking about policy.  While the Freakonomics article doesn't mention much more than using tolls to get an efficient outcome in traffic, you could easily apply the same arguments and use it to accurately capture all externalities thrown off by drivers.</p>
<p>There are a few more dimensions of inequity however that they don't really get into (one of which I am SOOO glad opponenets to Congestion Pricing don't truly understand).  First, if you bring public transit into the mix, congestion pricing becomes a transfer payment from those who drive to those who take mass transit, which ends up in aggregate being an equitable transfer.</p>
<p>However, you also have spacial inequity.  Eric is talking more about a "turnpike style" toll rather than a bridge "one time" toll.  This will further raise land prices closer to the center of the city, making it more unaffordable for people who would choose to move there given the new toll.</p>
<p>Which is why I would say you counter that with having a bias towards expanding public transit further away from the city center, rather than closer in.  The net result becomes a transfer payment from all car drivers to the poorest and least served mass transit users.</p>
<p>This sort of thinking was completely different when we were dealing with poorer inner cities surrounded by wealthy suburbs, but this is changing, and we have to adapt!</p>
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		<title>By: Rhywun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhywun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We can only hope that the &quot;Car Czar&quot; is more successful at reducing car use 
than the &quot;Drug Czar&quot; has been at reducing drug use.&lt;/i&gt;

Ha ha. Well, since the stated goal of the &quot;Car Czar&quot; is to prop up the American automobile industry (i.e. increase usage of cars), it&#039;s entirely possible that it WILL have exactly the opposite effect after all, like many government programs, much like the &quot;Drug War&quot; has massively increase crime in the inner city and done nothing to stop people from taking drugs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We can only hope that the "Car Czar" is more successful at reducing car use<br />
than the "Drug Czar" has been at reducing drug use.</i></p>
<p>Ha ha. Well, since the stated goal of the "Car Czar" is to prop up the American automobile industry (i.e. increase usage of cars), it's entirely possible that it WILL have exactly the opposite effect after all, like many government programs, much like the "Drug War" has massively increase crime in the inner city and done nothing to stop people from taking drugs.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Kabak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Kabak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Silver punting on the bridge tolls. That&#039;s what I had said originally on SAS, but when I went back to look at the issue, I came to &lt;a href=&quot;http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/14/silver-urges-city-to-act-on-east-river-toll-plan/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a difference conclusion&lt;/a&gt;. I don&#039;t think the state Assembly can act on the East River tolls. It&#039;s up to the City Council to approve the sale of the bridge and the state legislature can&#039;t do anything about it. This one&#039;s all home rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Silver punting on the bridge tolls. That's what I had said originally on SAS, but when I went back to look at the issue, I came to <a href="http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/14/silver-urges-city-to-act-on-east-river-toll-plan/" rel="nofollow">a difference conclusion</a>. I don't think the state Assembly can act on the East River tolls. It's up to the City Council to approve the sale of the bridge and the state legislature can't do anything about it. This one's all home rule.</p>
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		<title>By: MrManhattan</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrManhattan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can only hope that the &quot;Car Czar&quot; is more successful at reducing car use than the &quot;Drug Czar&quot; has been at reducing drug use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can only hope that the "Car Czar" is more successful at reducing car use than the "Drug Czar" has been at reducing drug use.</p>
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		<title>By: t</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure they&#039;ve done the math on both the free and pay-per-ride alternatives.  If it was worth it, they&#039;d do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm sure they've done the math on both the free and pay-per-ride alternatives.  If it was worth it, they'd do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IKEA Ferry: Why not offer a pay-to-ride ferry service during the lower-use times?  Plenty of Manhattanites use the ferry simply because they want to get to IKEA quickly and easily... not because it&#039;s free.  

IKEA is quick to tout the subway+bus option, but it is cumbersome &amp; slow due to the modal change and the 6-story transfer at Smith &amp; 9th.  

Especially on weekends when most people desire a trip to IKEA to prep their weekend projects, cutting Saturday AM ferry service rewards those filling the parking lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IKEA Ferry: Why not offer a pay-to-ride ferry service during the lower-use times?  Plenty of Manhattanites use the ferry simply because they want to get to IKEA quickly and easily... not because it's free.  </p>
<p>IKEA is quick to tout the subway+bus option, but it is cumbersome &amp; slow due to the modal change and the 6-story transfer at Smith &amp; 9th.  </p>
<p>Especially on weekends when most people desire a trip to IKEA to prep their weekend projects, cutting Saturday AM ferry service rewards those filling the parking lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhywun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhywun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Car czar&quot;? Are you joking? I predict that eventually, we&#039;ll see even stranger things while trying to prop up the collapsing &quot;American Dream&quot;. But we are about to nationalize the American automobile industry and hardly anyone is batting an eyelash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Car czar"? Are you joking? I predict that eventually, we'll see even stranger things while trying to prop up the collapsing "American Dream". But we are about to nationalize the American automobile industry and hardly anyone is batting an eyelash.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Watkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Watkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is for any cyclists who live near DC:  

The &quot;green zone&quot; square area bounded by 23rd St., R St., 11th St., and K St. NW will be open only to bicycles, 
pre-registered buses, and only motorists who have driver&#039;s licenses showing that they actually live in the restricted zone 
and have appropriate permits.  (The green zone area extends to some other areas, you can see on the map I liked to at the bottom)

So the Green Zone is pretty much going to be a bicyle free-for-all which is very exciting...  
Normally almost all of the cars are from outside of DC, and if they are from DC they are from outside the downtown area. 

Bike around downtown DC without all those cars!!!!   

Valet on the North end is at 16th and K St., and there&#039;s another one on the South end.

Just watch out for those coach buses on the larger streets.  (they have huge blind spots).

You can walk your bicycle, but not actually ride it, in the area around GW University, between 23rd St, K St, 18th St., and Constitution Ave. 
This would be a great location to lock a bike up once the bike valet fills up (it holds only 1000 bikes, for 3 million people).  

You can not bring any bicycles into the hard security zone, or anything else whatsoever.  

WABA put out this great map!
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&amp;hl=en&amp;msa=0&amp;msid=116706197888210191894.00045c99ce5e0c584a191&amp;ll=38.881412,-77.004547&amp;spn=0.241602,0.341949&amp;z=11</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is for any cyclists who live near DC:  </p>
<p>The "green zone" square area bounded by 23rd St., R St., 11th St., and K St. NW will be open only to bicycles,<br />
pre-registered buses, and only motorists who have driver's licenses showing that they actually live in the restricted zone<br />
and have appropriate permits.  (The green zone area extends to some other areas, you can see on the map I liked to at the bottom)</p>
<p>So the Green Zone is pretty much going to be a bicyle free-for-all which is very exciting...<br />
Normally almost all of the cars are from outside of DC, and if they are from DC they are from outside the downtown area. </p>
<p>Bike around downtown DC without all those cars!!!!   </p>
<p>Valet on the North end is at 16th and K St., and there's another one on the South end.</p>
<p>Just watch out for those coach buses on the larger streets.  (they have huge blind spots).</p>
<p>You can walk your bicycle, but not actually ride it, in the area around GW University, between 23rd St, K St, 18th St., and Constitution Ave.<br />
This would be a great location to lock a bike up once the bike valet fills up (it holds only 1000 bikes, for 3 million people).  </p>
<p>You can not bring any bicycles into the hard security zone, or anything else whatsoever.  </p>
<p>WABA put out this great map!<br />
<a href="http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&amp;hl=en&amp;msa=0&amp;msid=116706197888210191894.00045c99ce5e0c584a191&amp;ll=38.881412,-77.004547&amp;spn=0.241602,0.341949&amp;z=11" rel="nofollow">http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&amp;hl=en&amp;msa=0&amp;msid=116706197888210191894.00045c99ce5e0c584a191&amp;ll=38.881412,-77.004547&amp;spn=0.241602,0.341949&amp;z=11</a></p>
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