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	<title>Comments on: Metro-North Makes Its M-7 Train Cars More Bike-Friendly</title>
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		<title>By: jj</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/07/metro-north-makes-its-m-7-train-cars-more-bike-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-68619</link>
		<dc:creator>jj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 11:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A recent op-ed about riding the rails in a reverse commute. 

http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/editorials/hc-fresh-flynn-bikes-train-comm.artmay20,0,2623882.story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent op-ed about riding the rails in a reverse commute. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/editorials/hc-fresh-flynn-bikes-train-comm.artmay20,0,2623882.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/editorials/hc-fresh-flynn-bikes-train-comm.artmay20,0,2623882.story</a></p>
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		<title>By: billyjames</title>
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		<dc:creator>billyjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just between us kids, MetroNorth makes Caltrain look really good. It&#039;s the line that runs from San Francisco to San Jose. Go to 
http://www.caltrain.com/info_bicycles.html Images at
http://tinyurl.com/7aqhby

It&#039;s a work in progress, with lots of cyclists getting bumped during peak hours particularly since gas prices shot up. But do thank yourpowers that be  and help them make things better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just between us kids, MetroNorth makes Caltrain look really good. It's the line that runs from San Francisco to San Jose. Go to<br />
<a href="http://www.caltrain.com/info_bicycles.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.caltrain.com/info_bicycles.html</a> Images at<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/7aqhby" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/7aqhby</a></p>
<p>It's a work in progress, with lots of cyclists getting bumped during peak hours particularly since gas prices shot up. But do thank yourpowers that be  and help them make things better.</p>
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		<title>By: DingDong</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/07/metro-north-makes-its-m-7-train-cars-more-bike-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-61449</link>
		<dc:creator>DingDong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Home-to-train is great too. We&#039;re working on that as well:

http://newhavenindependent.org/archives/2008/09/pclear_cycling.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Home-to-train is great too. We're working on that as well:</p>
<p><a href="http://newhavenindependent.org/archives/2008/09/pclear_cycling.php" rel="nofollow">http://newhavenindependent.org/archives/2008/09/pclear_cycling.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Steiner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/07/metro-north-makes-its-m-7-train-cars-more-bike-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-61436</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Steiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DingDong, for the Harlem Line White Plains might work as boundary for something you propose, at least for outbound trains (as mentioned in my first post the bronx and lower westchester has quite some reverse commute traffic).  

However, reflecting on my experience on riding in Westchester County, bike access on trains is probably the least of the problems for a better integration of cyclists into the transport mix.  While i do see a few bikes locked at train station, i hardly ever meet another cyclist on my daily commutes. This in turn is not surprising and rather unrelated to train access: the road infrastructure is pretty bike-unfriendly, e.g., the few bike trails are mostly useless for commuting and riding on the many (hard to avoid) four-lane roads without shoulders with lots of speeding cars is not necessarily for the faint of heart.  

So to me a much more important policy push would be try to increase bicycle friendly roads and bike storage at train stations (not too much of that exists right now and the few bikes are mostly just locked to various fences). My guess is that the potential home-to-train station cyclists are a far larger target segment than the end-to-end cyclists; this would be at least match my experience in europe). But alas i realize that will be a difficult change contrary to lots of past development ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DingDong, for the Harlem Line White Plains might work as boundary for something you propose, at least for outbound trains (as mentioned in my first post the bronx and lower westchester has quite some reverse commute traffic).  </p>
<p>However, reflecting on my experience on riding in Westchester County, bike access on trains is probably the least of the problems for a better integration of cyclists into the transport mix.  While i do see a few bikes locked at train station, i hardly ever meet another cyclist on my daily commutes. This in turn is not surprising and rather unrelated to train access: the road infrastructure is pretty bike-unfriendly, e.g., the few bike trails are mostly useless for commuting and riding on the many (hard to avoid) four-lane roads without shoulders with lots of speeding cars is not necessarily for the faint of heart.  </p>
<p>So to me a much more important policy push would be try to increase bicycle friendly roads and bike storage at train stations (not too much of that exists right now and the few bikes are mostly just locked to various fences). My guess is that the potential home-to-train station cyclists are a far larger target segment than the end-to-end cyclists; this would be at least match my experience in europe). But alas i realize that will be a difficult change contrary to lots of past development ...</p>
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		<title>By: DingDong</title>
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		<dc:creator>DingDong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I understand your concerns and I definitely agree that the rule has to be a simple one. But I&#039;m not talking about reverse commuting out of Manhattan but rather intra-Connecticut travel on Metro North for instance.

I think in Connecticut it would be simple to have a rule: bikes are allowed, if there is space, on all trains say east of Stamford.  (For those knowledgeable of other Metro North lines, I&#039;m sure there are equivalent stations).  This would allow New Haven to Bridgeport commuters to go to work by bike -- or those going from Stamford to New Haven at rush hour (currently totally empty train but bikes not allowed).

It&#039;s true that some trains are already crowded with GCT-bound commuters by Stamford, but many of those don&#039;t even stop in Stamford and I think there would not be much of a problem as bike-commuters would quickly figure out which trains are crowded and which aren&#039;t and not take the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I understand your concerns and I definitely agree that the rule has to be a simple one. But I'm not talking about reverse commuting out of Manhattan but rather intra-Connecticut travel on Metro North for instance.</p>
<p>I think in Connecticut it would be simple to have a rule: bikes are allowed, if there is space, on all trains say east of Stamford.  (For those knowledgeable of other Metro North lines, I'm sure there are equivalent stations).  This would allow New Haven to Bridgeport commuters to go to work by bike -- or those going from Stamford to New Haven at rush hour (currently totally empty train but bikes not allowed).</p>
<p>It's true that some trains are already crowded with GCT-bound commuters by Stamford, but many of those don't even stop in Stamford and I think there would not be much of a problem as bike-commuters would quickly figure out which trains are crowded and which aren't and not take the former.</p>
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		<title>By: Streetsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Streetsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait you may have to ask someone to give up their seat in order to store your bike? That&#039;s going to go over well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait you may have to ask someone to give up their seat in order to store your bike? That's going to go over well...</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vnm,

Actually NJ TRANSIT needs a good reminder.  

The RiverLINE in south Jersey is a DBOM operation (Design, Build, Operate, Maintain).  It is cooperation between Bechtel and Bombardier which DBOMs the RiverLINE for NJ TRANSIT.  The trains were designed and built by Stadler Rail AG in Switzerland where the idea of accommodating bicycles on trains is as second nature as ADA requirements are (supposed to be) here.  Naturally the trains came equipped with easy to use vertical bicycle racks that only displace two seats when fully occupied with 3 bicycles.

Several years later NJ TRANSIT orders 279 (now 329) Multi-level vehicles (MLV) at a rough cost of $1.4 million each.  There is absolutely no equipment in these brand new cars specifically to accommodate bicycles.  There aren&#039;t even stickers on the outside of the doors to indicate where bicycles should board as is the western international standard elsewhere (the RiverLINE cars have these).  When I ride these otherwise wonderful MLV cars with my bicycle, I must flip up 5 jump seats!  People have had to stand because my bike was taking up those seats. With vertical storage like that pictured in this blog entry, there is no reason why my one bike shouldn&#039;t displace no more than one seat.

So yes, NJ TRANSIT needs to pay attention and wake up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vnm,</p>
<p>Actually NJ TRANSIT needs a good reminder.  </p>
<p>The RiverLINE in south Jersey is a DBOM operation (Design, Build, Operate, Maintain).  It is cooperation between Bechtel and Bombardier which DBOMs the RiverLINE for NJ TRANSIT.  The trains were designed and built by Stadler Rail AG in Switzerland where the idea of accommodating bicycles on trains is as second nature as ADA requirements are (supposed to be) here.  Naturally the trains came equipped with easy to use vertical bicycle racks that only displace two seats when fully occupied with 3 bicycles.</p>
<p>Several years later NJ TRANSIT orders 279 (now 329) Multi-level vehicles (MLV) at a rough cost of $1.4 million each.  There is absolutely no equipment in these brand new cars specifically to accommodate bicycles.  There aren't even stickers on the outside of the doors to indicate where bicycles should board as is the western international standard elsewhere (the RiverLINE cars have these).  When I ride these otherwise wonderful MLV cars with my bicycle, I must flip up 5 jump seats!  People have had to stand because my bike was taking up those seats. With vertical storage like that pictured in this blog entry, there is no reason why my one bike shouldn't displace no more than one seat.</p>
<p>So yes, NJ TRANSIT needs to pay attention and wake up.</p>
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		<title>By: vnm</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, you are correct. I just remembered as well. It&#039;s on-peak in both directions during the morning rush hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, you are correct. I just remembered as well. It's on-peak in both directions during the morning rush hour.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Steiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Steiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vnm, reverse commute trains are now also peak .. (this changed a few years a ago with the drastic increase of reverse commuters)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vnm, reverse commute trains are now also peak .. (this changed a few years a ago with the drastic increase of reverse commuters)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Steiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Steiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an aside to my last post:  as mentioned in my first post a bit more flexibility might certainly be possible. However, getting this flexibility without making the rules very complex might not be that easy.  In general, the Metro-North conductors are very accommodating and are not thaaat strict in enforcement, in particular, if they see that you try the best to get out of the way and alike. E.g., in the 6 years i commute daily on MN, there were a few days my folder was broken and i had to resort to a ``normal&#039;&#039; bike and i never had problems, despite the rules....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an aside to my last post:  as mentioned in my first post a bit more flexibility might certainly be possible. However, getting this flexibility without making the rules very complex might not be that easy.  In general, the Metro-North conductors are very accommodating and are not thaaat strict in enforcement, in particular, if they see that you try the best to get out of the way and alike. E.g., in the 6 years i commute daily on MN, there were a few days my folder was broken and i had to resort to a ``normal'' bike and i never had problems, despite the rules....</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Steiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Steiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DingDong, i think you underestimate how crowded trains also can get in reverse-commute direction during rush hour, also outside Manhattan. E.g., lots of people board in Fordham the White Plains bound trains. Yes, it is not as packed as inbound but in many of these trains an ordinary bicycle would be quite a bit of an inconvenience, from a boarding, detraining and getting in the way perspective, all of this would also have an impact on on-time performance.  Hence, i honestly cannot see it as a (reliable) rush hour commute option -- for that you should get a folding bicycle which works perfectly -- and at most for irregular trips where you can also live with having to potentially wait for the next train because the conductor rightfully would not let you board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DingDong, i think you underestimate how crowded trains also can get in reverse-commute direction during rush hour, also outside Manhattan. E.g., lots of people board in Fordham the White Plains bound trains. Yes, it is not as packed as inbound but in many of these trains an ordinary bicycle would be quite a bit of an inconvenience, from a boarding, detraining and getting in the way perspective, all of this would also have an impact on on-time performance.  Hence, i honestly cannot see it as a (reliable) rush hour commute option -- for that you should get a folding bicycle which works perfectly -- and at most for irregular trips where you can also live with having to potentially wait for the next train because the conductor rightfully would not let you board.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Flint,

If one holds the bike correctly, by the headset and the front wheel, it only has to be lifted three or four inches from the floor. This is far easier than getting luggage up in those overhead racks, and odds are better that a cyclist knows how to use a hook.


JP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Flint,</p>
<p>If one holds the bike correctly, by the headset and the front wheel, it only has to be lifted three or four inches from the floor. This is far easier than getting luggage up in those overhead racks, and odds are better that a cyclist knows how to use a hook.</p>
<p>JP</p>
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		<title>By: vnm</title>
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		<dc:creator>vnm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy B: NJ Transit already has hook-based vertical bike storage on the RiverLINE light rail between Trenton and Camden. I&#039;m sure they&#039;re aware of the concept.

DingDong, as it stands now, I am pretty sure that rush-hour travel for the stations you mentioned, and even to or from Grand Central Terminal and 125th Street, is allowed in the off-peak direction. Only the peak-direction trains have the restriction, unless I&#039;m wrong. Even so, I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d like to take a bike into Grand Central Terminal at the height of morning rush hour, or out of it in the evening rush hour, even if it is allowed. You would be going against a flood tide of humanity.

Imagine the confusion, anger and non-compliance that would arise from the following conductor&#039;s announcement: &quot;Now arriving at Stamford. After Stamford, this train runs express to Harlem-125th Street &amp; Grand Central Terminal only. For all local stops between Stamford and New York, change for the local train across the platform. Anyone going to Grand Central or 125th, stay on this train, unless you have a bike with you. All bicyclists must exit the train at Stamford. If you wish to continue on your trip with you bike, you can wait for four hours for the off-peak train.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy B: NJ Transit already has hook-based vertical bike storage on the RiverLINE light rail between Trenton and Camden. I'm sure they're aware of the concept.</p>
<p>DingDong, as it stands now, I am pretty sure that rush-hour travel for the stations you mentioned, and even to or from Grand Central Terminal and 125th Street, is allowed in the off-peak direction. Only the peak-direction trains have the restriction, unless I'm wrong. Even so, I'm not sure I'd like to take a bike into Grand Central Terminal at the height of morning rush hour, or out of it in the evening rush hour, even if it is allowed. You would be going against a flood tide of humanity.</p>
<p>Imagine the confusion, anger and non-compliance that would arise from the following conductor's announcement: "Now arriving at Stamford. After Stamford, this train runs express to Harlem-125th Street &amp; Grand Central Terminal only. For all local stops between Stamford and New York, change for the local train across the platform. Anyone going to Grand Central or 125th, stay on this train, unless you have a bike with you. All bicyclists must exit the train at Stamford. If you wish to continue on your trip with you bike, you can wait for four hours for the off-peak train."</p>
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		<title>By: DingDong</title>
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		<dc:creator>DingDong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment on the rush hour policy: yes, Metro North probably won&#039;t have enough space at rush hour for bikes on trains departing or leaving Grand Central - but plenty of people take Metro North to other destinations at rush hour - say from New Haven to Bridgeport, Westport to Stamford, somewhere in New York to White Plains etc. etc.  And those are precisely the kinds of destinations with poor public transportation but relatively short distances where bikes would be most useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment on the rush hour policy: yes, Metro North probably won't have enough space at rush hour for bikes on trains departing or leaving Grand Central - but plenty of people take Metro North to other destinations at rush hour - say from New Haven to Bridgeport, Westport to Stamford, somewhere in New York to White Plains etc. etc.  And those are precisely the kinds of destinations with poor public transportation but relatively short distances where bikes would be most useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Gargamel Tralfaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gargamel Tralfaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think these are a good idea.  Heck, even if they end up not adopting it system wide, at least they are trying.

I have been riding Metro North/NJ transit for 17 years.  I have only seen a wheelchair user board once, at Harriman Station on the Main/Port Jervis Line about four years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think these are a good idea.  Heck, even if they end up not adopting it system wide, at least they are trying.</p>
<p>I have been riding Metro North/NJ transit for 17 years.  I have only seen a wheelchair user board once, at Harriman Station on the Main/Port Jervis Line about four years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello!!  NJ TRANSIT?!?!
Are you paying attention??  Why does my one bike need to take up 5 seats when, if I could store it vertically, it would displace only one?

As for needing to vacate the this area with you bike if a customer in a wheelchair needs it; well I&#039;ve probably taken my bike on NJ TRANSIT trains close to 100 times now and I&#039;ve never had to move to accommodate a wheelchair user.  In fact I&#039;ve never even seen a wheelchair user even use NJ TRANSIT.  I have seen visually impaired rider several times.  

I have moved my bike on one or two occasions for passengers with baby strollers but I never had to exit the train.

PS - How much do these hooks cost??  $100 each installed?  When a single train car cost way north of one million, this is pocket change!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello!!  NJ TRANSIT?!?!<br />
Are you paying attention??  Why does my one bike need to take up 5 seats when, if I could store it vertically, it would displace only one?</p>
<p>As for needing to vacate the this area with you bike if a customer in a wheelchair needs it; well I've probably taken my bike on NJ TRANSIT trains close to 100 times now and I've never had to move to accommodate a wheelchair user.  In fact I've never even seen a wheelchair user even use NJ TRANSIT.  I have seen visually impaired rider several times.  </p>
<p>I have moved my bike on one or two occasions for passengers with baby strollers but I never had to exit the train.</p>
<p>PS - How much do these hooks cost??  $100 each installed?  When a single train car cost way north of one million, this is pocket change!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Naparstek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Naparstek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We will follow up with MTA on the rush hour question and let you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will follow up with MTA on the rush hour question and let you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Shemp</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/07/metro-north-makes-its-m-7-train-cars-more-bike-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-61386</link>
		<dc:creator>Shemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James is right that the main question here is whether the hooks trump the no-bikes-at-rush-hour rule.  S&#039;blog, any hope of follow-up reporting on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James is right that the main question here is whether the hooks trump the no-bikes-at-rush-hour rule.  S'blog, any hope of follow-up reporting on that?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Steiner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/07/metro-north-makes-its-m-7-train-cars-more-bike-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-61385</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Steiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, you won&#039;t find M7s (or M8) thaaat quickly up to Poughkeepsie as afaik North of Croton there is no third rail (or catenary). However, the old cars on the Hudson cars are actually perfect for bike transport as the they have plenty of space next to the restrooms, much better than the M7s.

Regarding rush hour, it might be useful that they would change to a more flexible policy like on the subway (e.g., room if space). However, expecting MTA to provide enough rolling stock/space that you could reasonably expect to take your bike (regularly) on rush hour trains sounds to me a bit utopian (or rather misplaced priorities).  And i say that as somebody who takes my (folding) bicycle every day on a train ...

In any case, i laud MTA for the hooks which seems a flexible and cost-effective solution. I&#039;m surprised, though, that they manage only two of them in that space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, you won't find M7s (or M8) thaaat quickly up to Poughkeepsie as afaik North of Croton there is no third rail (or catenary). However, the old cars on the Hudson cars are actually perfect for bike transport as the they have plenty of space next to the restrooms, much better than the M7s.</p>
<p>Regarding rush hour, it might be useful that they would change to a more flexible policy like on the subway (e.g., room if space). However, expecting MTA to provide enough rolling stock/space that you could reasonably expect to take your bike (regularly) on rush hour trains sounds to me a bit utopian (or rather misplaced priorities).  And i say that as somebody who takes my (folding) bicycle every day on a train ...</p>
<p>In any case, i laud MTA for the hooks which seems a flexible and cost-effective solution. I'm surprised, though, that they manage only two of them in that space.</p>
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		<title>By: DingDong</title>
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		<dc:creator>DingDong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The M-7s cannot run to Connecticut (they use only third-rail power and the New Haven line uses cantenary).  However, Metro North is trying this out thanks to the impressive and tireless organizing efforts of Richard Stowe and others to get bicycle storage on the new M-8 rail cars that will soon be running on the New Haven line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The M-7s cannot run to Connecticut (they use only third-rail power and the New Haven line uses cantenary).  However, Metro North is trying this out thanks to the impressive and tireless organizing efforts of Richard Stowe and others to get bicycle storage on the new M-8 rail cars that will soon be running on the New Haven line.</p>
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