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	<title>Comments on: The 2008 Streetsie Awards, Part 4</title>
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		<title>By: Ian Dutton</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/01/the-2008-streetsie-awards-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-61322</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Dutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, so Alan Gerson&#039;s late-December proposal seems to be out in left field, and we&#039;re going to have to do a little work to put it back in its doghouse - not that the details are really clear yet, anyway.

But where there are councilmembers who are opposed to Livable Streets changes at all levels (just think of all the villains of the congestion pricing debate), Alan has been generally favorable to changes that de-emphasize vehicle travel and instead lead to safer and more pleasant pedestrian and community spaces. He&#039;s very rarely in the &quot;enemy camp,&quot; even if it wasn&#039;t until the very end that he formally got on board with CP.

In the big picture, Alan might have disappointed us with an 11th-hour swing-and-a-miss, but I&#039;d argue that the majority of the other members are more serious impediments to a more livable city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so Alan Gerson's late-December proposal seems to be out in left field, and we're going to have to do a little work to put it back in its doghouse - not that the details are really clear yet, anyway.</p>
<p>But where there are councilmembers who are opposed to Livable Streets changes at all levels (just think of all the villains of the congestion pricing debate), Alan has been generally favorable to changes that de-emphasize vehicle travel and instead lead to safer and more pleasant pedestrian and community spaces. He's very rarely in the "enemy camp," even if it wasn't until the very end that he formally got on board with CP.</p>
<p>In the big picture, Alan might have disappointed us with an 11th-hour swing-and-a-miss, but I'd argue that the majority of the other members are more serious impediments to a more livable city.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Berkman</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/01/the-2008-streetsie-awards-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-61276</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Berkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

The job of council members is to advocate for the public interest even when that interest is in conflict with the narrow, often conservative, views of entrenched stakeholders.  That&#039;s called leadership.  Having the council abdicate their responsibility by demanding and then deferring to &quot;community involvement&quot; is disappointing.  Bike lanes, better streets and better public spaces are city wide issues that demand actual leadership not the limited vision of community boards.  That community boards feel left out of the process reflects the obvious fact that they&#039;re invovlement in these issues has not been helpful to the planning process by demanding, counter to the interests of the city and the goals of DOT, more space for cars.  If the council wishes to side with those community boards it should say so rather than simply passing the buck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>The job of council members is to advocate for the public interest even when that interest is in conflict with the narrow, often conservative, views of entrenched stakeholders.  That's called leadership.  Having the council abdicate their responsibility by demanding and then deferring to "community involvement" is disappointing.  Bike lanes, better streets and better public spaces are city wide issues that demand actual leadership not the limited vision of community boards.  That community boards feel left out of the process reflects the obvious fact that they're invovlement in these issues has not been helpful to the planning process by demanding, counter to the interests of the city and the goals of DOT, more space for cars.  If the council wishes to side with those community boards it should say so rather than simply passing the buck.</p>
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		<title>By: P Daddy</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/01/the-2008-streetsie-awards-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-61250</link>
		<dc:creator>P Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agree on Traffic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agree on Traffic</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/01/the-2008-streetsie-awards-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-61245</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is not the way to build consensus and good will with people that are inherently interested in supporting livable streets.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And the way to build consensus and good will with cyclists is by immediately screaming &quot;get this bike lane off my street!&quot; and ignoring any changes that would make the bike lane work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is not the way to build consensus and good will with people that are inherently interested in supporting livable streets.</p></blockquote>
<p>And the way to build consensus and good will with cyclists is by immediately screaming "get this bike lane off my street!" and ignoring any changes that would make the bike lane work?</p>
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		<title>By: SoHo resident</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/01/the-2008-streetsie-awards-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-61243</link>
		<dc:creator>SoHo resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The writers (or is it writer?) of this blog have shown their true colors today. This is not the way to build consensus and good will with people that are inherently interested in supporting livable streets. Good job at alienate your own constituents. Meh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The writers (or is it writer?) of this blog have shown their true colors today. This is not the way to build consensus and good will with people that are inherently interested in supporting livable streets. Good job at alienate your own constituents. Meh.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/01/the-2008-streetsie-awards-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-61242</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The bill would require greater Council and community input on any major street reconfigurations&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And how does this bill ensure that the &lt;b&gt;entire&lt;/b&gt; community will have input, not just the cranks and professional NIMBYs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The bill would require greater Council and community input on any major street reconfigurations</p></blockquote>
<p>And how does this bill ensure that the <b>entire</b> community will have input, not just the cranks and professional NIMBYs?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Nagle</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/01/the-2008-streetsie-awards-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-61237</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Nagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Streetsblog gets the award for most disappointing reporting.  Gerson currently has a bill in draft concerning the DOT and street design.  The bill would require greater Council and community input on any major street reconfigurations, which could include but is not at all limited to protected bike lanes.  Gerson has always been a bike advocate and rides himself.  But the surest way to ignite community opposition to expanding bike lanes is to implement them without giving communities a chance for input on the details.  The Chatham Square redesign incident (which had nothing to do with bike lanes), and which was a major impetus for this bill was a rallying point for Community Boards 1 and 3, which both rejected it.  The Council will not be able to reverse DOT decisions, but advocating for community input is the Council Member’s job. - Paul Nagle, Director of Communications for CM Alan J. Gerson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Streetsblog gets the award for most disappointing reporting.  Gerson currently has a bill in draft concerning the DOT and street design.  The bill would require greater Council and community input on any major street reconfigurations, which could include but is not at all limited to protected bike lanes.  Gerson has always been a bike advocate and rides himself.  But the surest way to ignite community opposition to expanding bike lanes is to implement them without giving communities a chance for input on the details.  The Chatham Square redesign incident (which had nothing to do with bike lanes), and which was a major impetus for this bill was a rallying point for Community Boards 1 and 3, which both rejected it.  The Council will not be able to reverse DOT decisions, but advocating for community input is the Council Member’s job. - Paul Nagle, Director of Communications for CM Alan J. Gerson</p>
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		<title>By: anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/01/the-2008-streetsie-awards-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-61233</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally find the phrase &quot;the driver of the vehicle that killed you&quot; somewhat disturbing. It&#039;s like saying &quot;the shooter of the bullet that killed you&quot;. Cars don&#039;t kill people, people kill people, whether through malice, negligence, or accident, but it is still ultimately the responsibility of the driver. Maybe if that were made clearer to everyone in general, conditions on the road (and the politics around it) would improve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally find the phrase "the driver of the vehicle that killed you" somewhat disturbing. It's like saying "the shooter of the bullet that killed you". Cars don't kill people, people kill people, whether through malice, negligence, or accident, but it is still ultimately the responsibility of the driver. Maybe if that were made clearer to everyone in general, conditions on the road (and the politics around it) would improve.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Mork</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/01/the-2008-streetsie-awards-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-61231</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
I managed to sneak some ideas into the sections I worked on. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My word!  Isn&#039;t that illegal?</description>
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I managed to sneak some ideas into the sections I worked on.
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<p>My word!  Isn't that illegal?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/01/the-2008-streetsie-awards-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-61220</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 06:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good list.

the link to &quot;Hell&#039;s Kitchen parking boom&quot; is broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good list.</p>
<p>the link to "Hell's Kitchen parking boom" is broken.</p>
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		<title>By: TrinitySquared</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/01/the-2008-streetsie-awards-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-61217</link>
		<dc:creator>TrinitySquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 04:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank (name your choice of religiosity here), for Sean Sweeney and the Soho Alliance.

I don&#039;t like cops from Mineola patroling the streets in Soho anymore than some snot-nosed activist from Williamsburg dictating where bike lanes should be put in my neighborhood.

The moniker NIMBY has all sorts of connotations, and the least of which is racist. Congrats to the genius bar of Streetsie.  

Keep it up Sean! It is OUR neighborhood and our backyard. BITE US!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank (name your choice of religiosity here), for Sean Sweeney and the Soho Alliance.</p>
<p>I don't like cops from Mineola patroling the streets in Soho anymore than some snot-nosed activist from Williamsburg dictating where bike lanes should be put in my neighborhood.</p>
<p>The moniker NIMBY has all sorts of connotations, and the least of which is racist. Congrats to the genius bar of Streetsie.  </p>
<p>Keep it up Sean! It is OUR neighborhood and our backyard. BITE US!</p>
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		<title>By: christine</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/01/the-2008-streetsie-awards-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-61212</link>
		<dc:creator>christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo, this a perfect way to start the year...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, this a perfect way to start the year...</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/01/the-2008-streetsie-awards-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-61210</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Alan Hevesi did not go to jail. He copped a plea. The deal was that he resign and pay a fine. No jail time.&quot;

All well and good given the magnitude of what he did compared with the magnitude of what has come out since, in business and government.  He was only guilty of the near-ubiquitous sense of entitlement of the political and executive classes.

Hopefully somebody will eventually go to jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Alan Hevesi did not go to jail. He copped a plea. The deal was that he resign and pay a fine. No jail time."</p>
<p>All well and good given the magnitude of what he did compared with the magnitude of what has come out since, in business and government.  He was only guilty of the near-ubiquitous sense of entitlement of the political and executive classes.</p>
<p>Hopefully somebody will eventually go to jail.</p>
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		<title>By: fdr</title>
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		<dc:creator>fdr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 19:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Hevesi did not go to jail. He copped a plea. The deal was that he resign and pay a fine. No jail time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Hevesi did not go to jail. He copped a plea. The deal was that he resign and pay a fine. No jail time.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/01/01/the-2008-streetsie-awards-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-61207</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Best City Agency Strategic Plan: It&#039;s got to be the Department of Transportation&#039;s Sustainable Streets  because, as far as we know, no other city agency has a strategic plan.&quot;

FYI, the 1989 City Charter requires that the Department of City Planning coordinate the production of a strategic plan for the whole city, the &quot;Strategic Policy Statement,&quot; and that the City Planning Commission oversee one for physical city issues, the &quot;Planning and Zoning Report,&quot; every few years.  I know this because back in the day I was assigned to collect data and write a couple of sections of both.

Only one Planning and Zoning report was written before it faded away, but I worked on two SPS.  The main work of the SPS consisted of trying to figure out what the Mayor&#039;s stategic plan actually was, based on speeches and trying to get information from direct appointees, buttressed by the data at hand.  But I managed to sneak some ideas into the sections I worked on.  

There was one interesting moment for the Planning and Zoning Report.  The head of DCP at the time had decided he didn&#039;t want to try to work with the Commission to produce another one.  Then on the day it was due, then City Comptroller Alan Hevesi, now drawing a huge tax-free pension while in jail, called to ask where it was.  This of course led to a frenzy of activity for those further down in the bureaucracy like myself, pulling together information to be used in case it was needed, followed by a &quot;never mind&quot; -- the typical sequence.

I saw the dust fall onto these documents as they spooled out of the laser printer, so if (as is likely) the are no longer produced it is probably no loss.  Government is apparently about deals, favors and interests, not about plans.  And what matters, I finally came to understand, is the budget, with most of the big decisions made by the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Best City Agency Strategic Plan: It's got to be the Department of Transportation's Sustainable Streets  because, as far as we know, no other city agency has a strategic plan."</p>
<p>FYI, the 1989 City Charter requires that the Department of City Planning coordinate the production of a strategic plan for the whole city, the "Strategic Policy Statement," and that the City Planning Commission oversee one for physical city issues, the "Planning and Zoning Report," every few years.  I know this because back in the day I was assigned to collect data and write a couple of sections of both.</p>
<p>Only one Planning and Zoning report was written before it faded away, but I worked on two SPS.  The main work of the SPS consisted of trying to figure out what the Mayor's stategic plan actually was, based on speeches and trying to get information from direct appointees, buttressed by the data at hand.  But I managed to sneak some ideas into the sections I worked on.  </p>
<p>There was one interesting moment for the Planning and Zoning Report.  The head of DCP at the time had decided he didn't want to try to work with the Commission to produce another one.  Then on the day it was due, then City Comptroller Alan Hevesi, now drawing a huge tax-free pension while in jail, called to ask where it was.  This of course led to a frenzy of activity for those further down in the bureaucracy like myself, pulling together information to be used in case it was needed, followed by a "never mind" -- the typical sequence.</p>
<p>I saw the dust fall onto these documents as they spooled out of the laser printer, so if (as is likely) the are no longer produced it is probably no loss.  Government is apparently about deals, favors and interests, not about plans.  And what matters, I finally came to understand, is the budget, with most of the big decisions made by the state.</p>
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