Comments on: Monday: ‘Bikes in Buildings’ Showdown at City Hall http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/monday-bikes-in-buildings-showdown-at-city-hall/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:31:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: J http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/monday-bikes-in-buildings-showdown-at-city-hall/comment-page-1/#comment-60054 J Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:36:53 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4951#comment-60054 Flaherty, While you are correct that the basis of government is an implied threat of violence, you clearly use it here to dramatize your point. The same "threat of violence" is inherent in everything from pooper scooper laws to noise restrictions. We need laws like this one to bring about positive changes when people refuse to do so voluntarily. Your fear mongering is bunk and you know it. Shame on you. Flaherty,

While you are correct that the basis of government is an implied threat of violence, you clearly use it here to dramatize your point. The same "threat of violence" is inherent in everything from pooper scooper laws to noise restrictions. We need laws like this one to bring about positive changes when people refuse to do so voluntarily. Your fear mongering is bunk and you know it. Shame on you.

]]> By: Bobby http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/monday-bikes-in-buildings-showdown-at-city-hall/comment-page-1/#comment-60024 Bobby Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:35:05 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4951#comment-60024 Flaherty, Bikes are allowed in some buildings. The issue is that some owners of buildings will not allow bikes in at all, even if people who rent or own specific floors are fine with them. So, if your employer owns or rents the fifth floor of a building and sets aside bike parking on that floor for you, the building's owner or manager can still refuse to allow you through the lobby and onto the elevator. So you can keep a bike in your office; you just can't bring it there! Flaherty,
Bikes are allowed in some buildings.

The issue is that some owners of buildings will not allow bikes in at all, even if people who rent or own specific floors are fine with them.

So, if your employer owns or rents the fifth floor of a building and sets aside bike parking on that floor for you, the building's owner or manager can still refuse to allow you through the lobby and onto the elevator. So you can keep a bike in your office; you just can't bring it there!

]]> By: flaherty http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/monday-bikes-in-buildings-showdown-at-city-hall/comment-page-1/#comment-60014 flaherty Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:01:12 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4951#comment-60014 hey guys, i misunderstood the provisions of the bill so my mistake. it seems that bikes are not allowed in public buildings then as it currently stands? however, my "threat of violence" is in no way dramatic. government and the laws it enforces are done so by force and violence. it's the fundamental basis of government. hey guys, i misunderstood the provisions of the bill so my mistake.

it seems that bikes are not allowed in public buildings then as it currently stands?

however, my "threat of violence" is in no way dramatic. government and the laws it enforces are done so by force and violence. it's the fundamental basis of government.

]]> By: Doc Barnett http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/monday-bikes-in-buildings-showdown-at-city-hall/comment-page-1/#comment-60013 Doc Barnett Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:00:20 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4951#comment-60013 Between the miscarriages and violent hallway clashes, I don't know how anyone has survived me bringing a full size bike into a sixty year old office building a dozen times. And of course the folding bike I normally carry could easily trigger some premature labor and many building managers <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/01/23/you-dont-ride-a-bike-to-a-corporate-office-buiding/" rel="nofollow">love to ban those too</a>, so it's not like we need a law telling office building bouncers to let people walk a bicycle through common areas the same as they can walk a rolling suitcase or stroller (carrying a baby that was somehow carried to term in this city full of bicycles being hurled at the pregnant). Also: Law Suits! Liability! QED! Maybe the owner's org will post <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/11/10/city-planning-unveils-bike-friendly-zoning-regs/#comment-58847" rel="nofollow">another "correction" here</a> chastising Streetsblog for accurately representing their position and explaining at length that they are actually only against applying the law to 100% of extant buildings (uh huh, as reported), because that point is so confusing. Oh, just think, we'll soon be allowed to bring bicycles into the freedom towers, I will try that on Tuesday, and at the rate that buildings are replaced here this problem should be all but solved in a mere millennium. Between the miscarriages and violent hallway clashes, I don't know how anyone has survived me bringing a full size bike into a sixty year old office building a dozen times. And of course the folding bike I normally carry could easily trigger some premature labor and many building managers love to ban those too, so it's not like we need a law telling office building bouncers to let people walk a bicycle through common areas the same as they can walk a rolling suitcase or stroller (carrying a baby that was somehow carried to term in this city full of bicycles being hurled at the pregnant). Also: Law Suits! Liability! QED!

Maybe the owner's org will post another "correction" here chastising Streetsblog for accurately representing their position and explaining at length that they are actually only against applying the law to 100% of extant buildings (uh huh, as reported), because that point is so confusing. Oh, just think, we'll soon be allowed to bring bicycles into the freedom towers, I will try that on Tuesday, and at the rate that buildings are replaced here this problem should be all but solved in a mere millennium.

]]> By: spike http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/monday-bikes-in-buildings-showdown-at-city-hall/comment-page-1/#comment-60008 spike Sat, 06 Dec 2008 04:36:26 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4951#comment-60008 Mr flaherty needs to read the second line of the article. "The legislation would give people who work in commercial buildings the right to bring their bikes inside the workplace, if they have the consent of their employer." Mr flaherty needs to read the second line of the article. "The legislation would give people who work in commercial buildings the right to bring their bikes inside the workplace, if they have the consent of their employer."

]]> By: Peter http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/monday-bikes-in-buildings-showdown-at-city-hall/comment-page-1/#comment-59999 Peter Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:18:36 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4951#comment-59999 Flaherty, I'm not sure where you are getting your "threat of violence" concerns--seems a bit dramatic. Also, I'm afraid you have the law all wrong. Your read it, right? Because if you did you will see that it does not actually require a private business owner to let his or her employee keep a bike by their desk. Instead, it simply says that if an employer does want to let an employee keep their bike in the office (the space they already rent and pay for) then the employee should be allowed to enter the building in the first place. Flaherty,

I'm not sure where you are getting your "threat of violence" concerns--seems a bit dramatic. Also, I'm afraid you have the law all wrong. Your read it, right? Because if you did you will see that it does not actually require a private business owner to let his or her employee keep a bike by their desk. Instead, it simply says that if an employer does want to let an employee keep their bike in the office (the space they already rent and pay for) then the employee should be allowed to enter the building in the first place.

]]> By: flaherty http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/monday-bikes-in-buildings-showdown-at-city-hall/comment-page-1/#comment-59997 flaherty Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:39:56 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4951#comment-59997 I'm not even going to take the time to read this because it is already ridiculous. As much as I would prefer to bring my bike into the office and have it sitting next to my desk instead of locked up out on the street I would never ask that a private business owner be required by law to allow me to do so. When you elect to pass laws, especially asinine ones as this, you have to understand that what it boils down to is a threat of violence against anyone who may not abide. Are you willing to lock a person in a prison cell if they don't want your bike in their place of business? I'm not even going to take the time to read this because it is already ridiculous. As much as I would prefer to bring my bike into the office and have it sitting next to my desk instead of locked up out on the street I would never ask that a private business owner be required by law to allow me to do so. When you elect to pass laws, especially asinine ones as this, you have to understand that what it boils down to is a threat of violence against anyone who may not abide.

Are you willing to lock a person in a prison cell if they don't want your bike in their place of business?

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