Comments on: Brooklyn CBs Open to Prospect Park Road Diet http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/brooklyn-cbs-open-to-prospect-park-road-diet/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:31:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Niccolo Machiavelli http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/brooklyn-cbs-open-to-prospect-park-road-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-60003 Niccolo Machiavelli Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:59:34 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5063#comment-60003 The Community Board form is so distorted in Park Slope perhaps a shadow Community Board of New Urbanists could form along the same lines, maybe a group to counter the Markowitz/DeBlasio anti bridge tolls axis that is dominant in the area. The Community Board form is so distorted in Park Slope perhaps a shadow Community Board of New Urbanists could form along the same lines, maybe a group to counter the Markowitz/DeBlasio anti bridge tolls axis that is dominant in the area.

]]> By: Marty Barfowitz http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/brooklyn-cbs-open-to-prospect-park-road-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-59910 Marty Barfowitz Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:03:55 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5063#comment-59910 I'm not sure we should even be dealing with these CB14 people at all. In a way, TA may be giving them more credibility and power than they actually deserve. The "compromise" right now is between current conditions and a totally car-free park. Increasing traffic hours in the park or speed limits is ridiculous and ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE. If TA were ever to agree to anything like that I'd cancel my membership immediately. Peers' version of "compromise" entails allowing motorists to drive in an illegal and dangerous manner through the Park. The fact that these guys are being given a forum to put these kinds of "compromises" out there is disturbing. We've been making lots of progress towards a car-free park without these people. Let's continue. They'll never be on board. Peers and Berk are going the way of the trolley. They run a community board but they no longer represent an actual community. Let's not give them more power and more of a platform than they actually merit. I'm not sure we should even be dealing with these CB14 people at all. In a way, TA may be giving them more credibility and power than they actually deserve.

The "compromise" right now is between current conditions and a totally car-free park. Increasing traffic hours in the park or speed limits is ridiculous and ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE. If TA were ever to agree to anything like that I'd cancel my membership immediately. Peers' version of "compromise" entails allowing motorists to drive in an illegal and dangerous manner through the Park.

The fact that these guys are being given a forum to put these kinds of "compromises" out there is disturbing. We've been making lots of progress towards a car-free park without these people. Let's continue. They'll never be on board.

Peers and Berk are going the way of the trolley. They run a community board but they no longer represent an actual community. Let's not give them more power and more of a platform than they actually merit.

]]> By: levi http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/brooklyn-cbs-open-to-prospect-park-road-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-59901 levi Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:04:27 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5063#comment-59901 i like the toll idea i like the toll idea

]]> By: P Park rider http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/brooklyn-cbs-open-to-prospect-park-road-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-59898 P Park rider Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:46:18 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5063#comment-59898 Reducing the traffic to one lane is a good start, but absolutely no compromise should include an increase in the speed limit or more driving hours in the park. Reducing the traffic to one lane is a good start, but absolutely no compromise should include an increase in the speed limit or more driving hours in the park.

]]> By: Ed Land http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/brooklyn-cbs-open-to-prospect-park-road-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-59892 Ed Land Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:52:57 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5063#comment-59892 Yeah, they did a comprehensive EIS when they paved the Prospect Park drives (originally gravel) and then when Moses widened them. Then there was all that enviro review when the Gowanus and Prospect were built and Atlantic Ave widened and the trolleys taken off the East River Bridges. Go down to the sub-sub-basement of borough hall.(Marty has a key.) There is a humidity controlled vault. The reviews are on parchment across the hall from where the past borough presidents are displayed like Lenin. Yeah, they did a comprehensive EIS when they paved the Prospect Park drives (originally gravel) and then when Moses widened them. Then there was all that enviro review when the Gowanus and Prospect were built and Atlantic Ave widened and the trolleys taken off the East River Bridges. Go down to the sub-sub-basement of borough hall.(Marty has a key.) There is a humidity controlled vault. The reviews are on parchment across the hall from where the past borough presidents are displayed like Lenin.

]]> By: Urbanis http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/brooklyn-cbs-open-to-prospect-park-road-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-59891 Urbanis Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:47:49 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5063#comment-59891 Why, oh why, is banning automobile traffic from a *park* controversial? Don't they have the rest of the city roads to drive around on? Why, oh why, is banning automobile traffic from a *park* controversial? Don't they have the rest of the city roads to drive around on?

]]> By: Rhywun http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/brooklyn-cbs-open-to-prospect-park-road-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-59889 Rhywun Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:36:20 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5063#comment-59889 Wow, this Peers guy is like a caricature of evil. What a card! Wow, this Peers guy is like a caricature of evil. What a card!

]]> By: Larry Littlefield http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/brooklyn-cbs-open-to-prospect-park-road-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-59888 Larry Littlefield Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:34:35 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5063#comment-59888 "Since the park was car-free when created, prior to the advent of the automobile, we should make sure we address the addition of cars before we get mired in an EIS weighing their ban." The cars took the place of carriages. How fast did carriages go? "Since the park was car-free when created, prior to the advent of the automobile, we should make sure we address the addition of cars before we get mired in an EIS weighing their ban."

The cars took the place of carriages. How fast did carriages go?

]]> By: da http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/brooklyn-cbs-open-to-prospect-park-road-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-59887 da Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:29:47 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5063#comment-59887 Raising the speed limit on the one remaining travel lane would decrease safety, not increase it. Extending the hours when cars are in the park in the first place would also make the park less safe. Raising the speed limit on the one remaining travel lane would decrease safety, not increase it. Extending the hours when cars are in the park in the first place would also make the park less safe.

]]> By: andrew http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/brooklyn-cbs-open-to-prospect-park-road-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-59886 andrew Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:26:04 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5063#comment-59886 how about a toll? with the money going to the park, ambulances and asthma treatment. how about a toll? with the money going to the park, ambulances and asthma treatment.

]]> By: Eric McClure http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/brooklyn-cbs-open-to-prospect-park-road-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-59885 Eric McClure Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:24:29 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5063#comment-59885 Did anyone ever do an EIS evaluating the effects of allowing cars on the park drive? I'm betting not. Since the park was car-free when created, prior to the advent of the automobile, we should make sure we address the <i>addition</i> of cars before we get mired in an EIS weighing their ban. Maybe they shouldn't be there in the first place? Did anyone ever do an EIS evaluating the effects of allowing cars on the park drive? I'm betting not. Since the park was car-free when created, prior to the advent of the automobile, we should make sure we address the addition of cars before we get mired in an EIS weighing their ban. Maybe they shouldn't be there in the first place?

]]> By: J http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/brooklyn-cbs-open-to-prospect-park-road-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-59883 J Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:22:05 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5063#comment-59883 The issue here is safety. There is crowding on the rec path and excess capacity and speeding on the roadway. The only thing being chipping away is unsafe conditions. The issue here is safety. There is crowding on the rec path and excess capacity and speeding on the roadway. The only thing being chipping away is unsafe conditions.

]]> By: da http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/brooklyn-cbs-open-to-prospect-park-road-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-59879 da Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:03:49 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5063#comment-59879 Sounds like they want to "chip away" also... chip away at the speed limit, by driving faster! And chip away at the auto-free hours, by extending the driving hours! That stinks. I would not appreciate an additional car-free lane, in exchange for less car-free time overall, and faster speed limits. Sounds like they want to "chip away" also... chip away at the speed limit, by driving faster! And chip away at the auto-free hours, by extending the driving hours! That stinks. I would not appreciate an additional car-free lane, in exchange for less car-free time overall, and faster speed limits.

]]> By: Damien Newton http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/12/05/brooklyn-cbs-open-to-prospect-park-road-diet/comment-page-1/#comment-59877 Damien Newton Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:50:39 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=5063#comment-59877 90% of cars exceeding the speed limit? In LA, that's considered a sign that LADOT needs to raise the speed limit. 90% of cars exceeding the speed limit? In LA, that's considered a sign that LADOT needs to raise the speed limit.

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