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	<title>Comments on: Tonight: Opposition to Kent Ave Bike Lane Expected at CB1 Meeting</title>
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		<title>By: Moocow</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/11/12/tonight-opposition-to-kent-ave-bike-lane-expected-at-cb1-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-59472</link>
		<dc:creator>Moocow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where? What businesses? What residences? I ride the stretch of Kent from the BQE until it turns to Franklin, there are construction sites, industrial factories, a yoga place, a signless bar, an empty sugar refinery, where are you talking about? And where, can you not pull onto a side street or parking lot provided by the building?  Kent is a lawless and un-Policed highway, nearly every car disregards speed limits, center lines and street signs.  Kent Avenue needs that bike path as evidenced by the selfish and dangerous drivers who fly down that street every day.  The motorists cutting through for work, and the people who live in the neighborhood that borders Kent all need a clear delineation where they are to speed and illegally pass one another, and where to expect and allow bicycles to travel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where? What businesses? What residences? I ride the stretch of Kent from the BQE until it turns to Franklin, there are construction sites, industrial factories, a yoga place, a signless bar, an empty sugar refinery, where are you talking about? And where, can you not pull onto a side street or parking lot provided by the building?  Kent is a lawless and un-Policed highway, nearly every car disregards speed limits, center lines and street signs.  Kent Avenue needs that bike path as evidenced by the selfish and dangerous drivers who fly down that street every day.  The motorists cutting through for work, and the people who live in the neighborhood that borders Kent all need a clear delineation where they are to speed and illegally pass one another, and where to expect and allow bicycles to travel.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Resident</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/11/12/tonight-opposition-to-kent-ave-bike-lane-expected-at-cb1-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-59467</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We, Kent residents and business have nowhere to load or unload drop off kids. We live and work in the midst of the BQE. This will not work. It has to be changed. Yet we are in no way against the bike lane if worked out under the needs of residents and business owners. Don&#039;t be stupid. This bike lane in its current form is such an outcry that it will be and should be removed ASAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We, Kent residents and business have nowhere to load or unload drop off kids. We live and work in the midst of the BQE. This will not work. It has to be changed. Yet we are in no way against the bike lane if worked out under the needs of residents and business owners. Don't be stupid. This bike lane in its current form is such an outcry that it will be and should be removed ASAP.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Barnett</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/11/12/tonight-opposition-to-kent-ave-bike-lane-expected-at-cb1-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-58955</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;THAT is activism. Here you&#039;re just preaching to the choir. &quot;

If that were true, Community Board Maven wouldn&#039;t be reading and sniffily responding. Demean online activism all you want, but NYC public policy was pretty brain-dead before the internet and in the past few years we&#039;ve seen a dramatic injection of thoughtfulness. Thoughts, typed into friggin&#039; keyboards, shockingly spreading all the way to the unwelcoming minds of community board mavens. Excuse me if I&#039;m not grateful to those that volunteer to advocate terrible policy on my behalf, but thinking is work too, some would say it&#039;s even harder—or at least more valuable—than tireless defense of the status quo by pushing various tribal (locational, social, and generational) buttons. &lt;i&gt;Oh noes, my middle-class outer boroughs motorist big red button isn&#039;t working anymore!&lt;/i&gt; We&#039;ll still be here thinking through all the angles (anonymously on a blog, or working more directly as many commenters here do) long after most people currently serving in the political button pushing capacity have moved on.

&quot;why don&#039;t you do some old fashioned research and activism yourselves? Or is that too much work?&quot;

TDK!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"THAT is activism. Here you're just preaching to the choir. "</p>
<p>If that were true, Community Board Maven wouldn't be reading and sniffily responding. Demean online activism all you want, but NYC public policy was pretty brain-dead before the internet and in the past few years we've seen a dramatic injection of thoughtfulness. Thoughts, typed into friggin' keyboards, shockingly spreading all the way to the unwelcoming minds of community board mavens. Excuse me if I'm not grateful to those that volunteer to advocate terrible policy on my behalf, but thinking is work too, some would say it's even harder—or at least more valuable—than tireless defense of the status quo by pushing various tribal (locational, social, and generational) buttons. <i>Oh noes, my middle-class outer boroughs motorist big red button isn't working anymore!</i> We'll still be here thinking through all the angles (anonymously on a blog, or working more directly as many commenters here do) long after most people currently serving in the political button pushing capacity have moved on.</p>
<p>"why don't you do some old fashioned research and activism yourselves? Or is that too much work?"</p>
<p>TDK!</p>
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		<title>By: ms nomer</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/11/12/tonight-opposition-to-kent-ave-bike-lane-expected-at-cb1-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-58925</link>
		<dc:creator>ms nomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 01:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9/Cap&#039;n Transit and all:

&quot;Okay, what do you call it when community board members want every development, every change, to increase the amount of parking in the district? That&#039;s not an ideology - or an agenda?&quot;

Clearly you guys don&#039;t engage much with your own community boards -- otherwise there&#039;d be more progress and/or more awareness on your part about what&#039;s going on in the city.  Not all CBs are comprised of wannabe politicians or non-progressives. Not all embrace car dependence. One recent example:
http://www.riverdalepress.com/full.php?sid=6503&amp;current_edition=2008-11-06
 
I&#039;m with Maven on this one. You guys should take your Streetsblog comments and send them to your respective CBs and demand change.  THAT is activism.  Here you&#039;re just preaching to the choir.  Instead of asking Maven to prove his/her (well stated) case, why don&#039;t you do some old fashioned research and activism yourselves?  Or is that too much work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9/Cap'n Transit and all:</p>
<p>"Okay, what do you call it when community board members want every development, every change, to increase the amount of parking in the district? That's not an ideology - or an agenda?"</p>
<p>Clearly you guys don't engage much with your own community boards -- otherwise there'd be more progress and/or more awareness on your part about what's going on in the city.  Not all CBs are comprised of wannabe politicians or non-progressives. Not all embrace car dependence. One recent example:<br />
<a href="http://www.riverdalepress.com/full.php?sid=6503&amp;current_edition=2008-11-06" rel="nofollow">http://www.riverdalepress.com/full.php?sid=6503&amp;current_edition=2008-11-06</a></p>
<p>I'm with Maven on this one. You guys should take your Streetsblog comments and send them to your respective CBs and demand change.  THAT is activism.  Here you're just preaching to the choir.  Instead of asking Maven to prove his/her (well stated) case, why don't you do some old fashioned research and activism yourselves?  Or is that too much work?</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/11/12/tonight-opposition-to-kent-ave-bike-lane-expected-at-cb1-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-58917</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Community Boards represent the families, residents, block associations, small businesses, mom&amp;pops, PTAs, church groups established in a neighborhood. They do not represent developers, rowdy club owners, landlords, ideologues or people with an agenda. They are your neighbors on the street, not your enemy. Unless you are an ideologue with an agenda.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Okay, what do you call it when community board members want every development, every change, to increase the amount of parking in the district?  That&#039;s not an ideology - or an agenda?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Community Boards represent the families, residents, block associations, small businesses, mom&amp;pops, PTAs, church groups established in a neighborhood. They do not represent developers, rowdy club owners, landlords, ideologues or people with an agenda. They are your neighbors on the street, not your enemy. Unless you are an ideologue with an agenda.</p></blockquote>
<p>Okay, what do you call it when community board members want every development, every change, to increase the amount of parking in the district?  That's not an ideology - or an agenda?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/11/12/tonight-opposition-to-kent-ave-bike-lane-expected-at-cb1-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-58916</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maven,

Can you support your claim that &quot;Community Boards represent the families, residents, block associations, small businesses, mom&amp;pops, PTAs, church groups established in a neighborhood.&quot;? Please provide some evidence of this assertion. Why is it that most New Yorkers don&#039;t even own a car, but most community board members do?

What does it take to get onto a community board, and what happens when board members vote against the position of their appointers? I think you need look no further than Brooklyn community board 6 to answer this last question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maven,</p>
<p>Can you support your claim that "Community Boards represent the families, residents, block associations, small businesses, mom&amp;pops, PTAs, church groups established in a neighborhood."? Please provide some evidence of this assertion. Why is it that most New Yorkers don't even own a car, but most community board members do?</p>
<p>What does it take to get onto a community board, and what happens when board members vote against the position of their appointers? I think you need look no further than Brooklyn community board 6 to answer this last question.</p>
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		<title>By: Community Board Maven</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/11/12/tonight-opposition-to-kent-ave-bike-lane-expected-at-cb1-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-58910</link>
		<dc:creator>Community Board Maven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Community Boards represent the families, residents, block associations, small businesses, mom&amp;pops, PTAs, church groups established in a neighborhood. They do not represent developers, rowdy club owners, landlords, ideologues or people with an agenda. They are your neighbors on the street, not your enemy. Unless you are an ideologue with an agenda.

Yes, they are appointed, but 99% of the people involved in governmental functioning are appointed, including Sadik-Khan. The rest are called politicians.

So, I am amazed when I read here the irresponsible comments regarding CBs. I guess some people, when they don&#039;t get their way, lash out at people who try to do what is best for their neighbors and their community.  

Bitterly typing away anonymously on a blog is a lot easier than devoting and volunteering one&#039;s time and effort for the common good. The latter takes commitment, maturity and responsibility. The former requires only a computer, solipsism, and mean-spiritedness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Community Boards represent the families, residents, block associations, small businesses, mom&amp;pops, PTAs, church groups established in a neighborhood. They do not represent developers, rowdy club owners, landlords, ideologues or people with an agenda. They are your neighbors on the street, not your enemy. Unless you are an ideologue with an agenda.</p>
<p>Yes, they are appointed, but 99% of the people involved in governmental functioning are appointed, including Sadik-Khan. The rest are called politicians.</p>
<p>So, I am amazed when I read here the irresponsible comments regarding CBs. I guess some people, when they don't get their way, lash out at people who try to do what is best for their neighbors and their community.  </p>
<p>Bitterly typing away anonymously on a blog is a lot easier than devoting and volunteering one's time and effort for the common good. The latter takes commitment, maturity and responsibility. The former requires only a computer, solipsism, and mean-spiritedness.</p>
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		<title>By: INFO Mation</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/11/12/tonight-opposition-to-kent-ave-bike-lane-expected-at-cb1-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-58894</link>
		<dc:creator>INFO Mation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attend a Transportation Town Hall Meeting 

W/ Councilman David Yassky &amp; The Commissioner of the Dept. of Transportation

6 p.m. Monday November 24 th.
Swinging 60&#039;s senior center
211 Ainslie Street (corner of manhattan ave.)

Topics will include:    Subway&amp; Bus service
                        Bike lanes/racks
                        Truck traffic
                        Street Parking solutions
                        Traffic on kent ave.   and MORE.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attend a Transportation Town Hall Meeting </p>
<p>W/ Councilman David Yassky &amp; The Commissioner of the Dept. of Transportation</p>
<p>6 p.m. Monday November 24 th.<br />
Swinging 60's senior center<br />
211 Ainslie Street (corner of manhattan ave.)</p>
<p>Topics will include:    Subway&amp; Bus service<br />
                        Bike lanes/racks<br />
                        Truck traffic<br />
                        Street Parking solutions<br />
                        Traffic on kent ave.   and MORE.......</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/11/12/tonight-opposition-to-kent-ave-bike-lane-expected-at-cb1-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-58874</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;All BIKE LANES ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED UNDER A MAYORAL DIRECTIVE
THRU THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND ARE NOT SUBJECT TO
COMMUNITY BOARD APPROVAL (or review) !!!!!!!!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And a good thing too!  We probably wouldn&#039;t have an inch of bike lane in the city if they had to go through these unelected bodies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>All BIKE LANES ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED UNDER A MAYORAL DIRECTIVE<br />
THRU THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND ARE NOT SUBJECT TO<br />
COMMUNITY BOARD APPROVAL (or review) !!!!!!!!</p></blockquote>
<p>And a good thing too!  We probably wouldn't have an inch of bike lane in the city if they had to go through these unelected bodies.</p>
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		<title>By: Moocow</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/11/12/tonight-opposition-to-kent-ave-bike-lane-expected-at-cb1-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-58866</link>
		<dc:creator>Moocow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t make the meeting but I believe Kent needs this bikelane quite badly. Here on Streetsblog I have posted a vid of a high speed pass on Kent by the Navy yard. And I have a photo on Flickr of an 18 wheeler lodged in the first floor of a house on Kent around N.12th. If someome could please use these tonight that would be great  They are only some of the crazy things you see while commuting on that lawless stretch of Kent Ave. 

I am on my phone and cannot copy and paste. But if you google: &quot;captaindisko kent ave&quot; both show up. 

It seems to me, the people opposing this bikelane, are the very people that give cause to have it there in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't make the meeting but I believe Kent needs this bikelane quite badly. Here on Streetsblog I have posted a vid of a high speed pass on Kent by the Navy yard. And I have a photo on Flickr of an 18 wheeler lodged in the first floor of a house on Kent around N.12th. If someome could please use these tonight that would be great  They are only some of the crazy things you see while commuting on that lawless stretch of Kent Ave. </p>
<p>I am on my phone and cannot copy and paste. But if you google: "captaindisko kent ave" both show up. </p>
<p>It seems to me, the people opposing this bikelane, are the very people that give cause to have it there in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Esposito</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/11/12/tonight-opposition-to-kent-ave-bike-lane-expected-at-cb1-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-58862</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Esposito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All BIKE LANES ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED UNDER A MAYORAL DIRECTIVE
THRU THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND ARE NOT SUBJECT TO
COMMUNITY BOARD APPROVAL (or review) !!!!!!!!
       However, We at Community Board # 1, Brooklyn welcome comments
relative to the needs of our constituents at any time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All BIKE LANES ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED UNDER A MAYORAL DIRECTIVE<br />
THRU THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND ARE NOT SUBJECT TO<br />
COMMUNITY BOARD APPROVAL (or review) !!!!!!!!<br />
       However, We at Community Board # 1, Brooklyn welcome comments<br />
relative to the needs of our constituents at any time.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are still tons of trucks, vans and cabs parking-stopping-sitting in the new bike lanes on Kent. 

Especially construction trucks. They are chilling in the wide open new bike lanes, sitting in their cabs, eating breakfast. They seem to really love it. Maybe they should show up and support the new bike lanes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are still tons of trucks, vans and cabs parking-stopping-sitting in the new bike lanes on Kent. </p>
<p>Especially construction trucks. They are chilling in the wide open new bike lanes, sitting in their cabs, eating breakfast. They seem to really love it. Maybe they should show up and support the new bike lanes.</p>
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		<title>By: Streetsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Streetsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that right what it says in the missive? The DOT turned 30 blocks of parking on both sides of the street into all out No Stopping so you technically can&#039;t even load or discharge passengers for that whole stretch? That doesn&#039;t sound right. If it is right, that seems a little severe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that right what it says in the missive? The DOT turned 30 blocks of parking on both sides of the street into all out No Stopping so you technically can't even load or discharge passengers for that whole stretch? That doesn't sound right. If it is right, that seems a little severe.</p>
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