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	<title>Comments on: Study: City Residential Parking Requirements Lead to More Driving</title>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 01:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JF - Actually, I think LuvmySUV is a pretty poor troll -- his &quot;insults&quot; feel pretty hackneyed to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JF - Actually, I think LuvmySUV is a pretty poor troll -- his "insults" feel pretty hackneyed to me.</p>
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		<title>By: JF</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57801</link>
		<dc:creator>JF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome.  That&#039;s the best troll we&#039;ve had since we stopped talking about congestion pricing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome.  That's the best troll we've had since we stopped talking about congestion pricing!</p>
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		<title>By: LuvmySUV</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57800</link>
		<dc:creator>LuvmySUV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 03:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freud did make mention of intelligence levels dropping in large groups. Proof positive when we have yuppies demanding car less streets for their person aesthetic pleasure. 

You should wall yourselves off, dynamite all the bridges and tunnels and starve to death you yuppie, metrosexual scum. My god, reading this lunacy proves my point that the people who live in cities are so devoid of intelligence and are simply committed to living the metrosexual existence of manicures, lattes, &#039;aesthetics&#039; and ipods. Their sense of entitlement has left them in lala land. 

Stop cramming yuppies into 8x9 $2000 a month cells with doormen. 

I have to look into using leaded fuel in my Sequoia, better yet maybe I could burn irradiated diesel and rev my engine up and down every street. I could help rid the planet of whining yuppie scum who undoubtedly sit around watching &#039;Queer Eye for the Straight Guy&#039; while sipping their lattes and convincing themselves how superior they are to everyone in the &#039;stix.&#039; You people are the same ones who were abused in school for being freaks and fled to the West Village where you found your little communes before the rents went through the roof. 

The cities produce none of the stuff to sustain life. You people are so isolated from where all the products that keep your brazilian waxed asses so comfortable come from. Try producing something you whining bimbos.

The cities are the problem, they breed nothing but vermin for the rest of the world. Cars are not the problem. The unwashed hordes cramming into &#039;luxury&#039; roach motels they pass off as city apartments these days are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freud did make mention of intelligence levels dropping in large groups. Proof positive when we have yuppies demanding car less streets for their person aesthetic pleasure. </p>
<p>You should wall yourselves off, dynamite all the bridges and tunnels and starve to death you yuppie, metrosexual scum. My god, reading this lunacy proves my point that the people who live in cities are so devoid of intelligence and are simply committed to living the metrosexual existence of manicures, lattes, 'aesthetics' and ipods. Their sense of entitlement has left them in lala land. </p>
<p>Stop cramming yuppies into 8x9 $2000 a month cells with doormen. </p>
<p>I have to look into using leaded fuel in my Sequoia, better yet maybe I could burn irradiated diesel and rev my engine up and down every street. I could help rid the planet of whining yuppie scum who undoubtedly sit around watching 'Queer Eye for the Straight Guy' while sipping their lattes and convincing themselves how superior they are to everyone in the 'stix.' You people are the same ones who were abused in school for being freaks and fled to the West Village where you found your little communes before the rents went through the roof. </p>
<p>The cities produce none of the stuff to sustain life. You people are so isolated from where all the products that keep your brazilian waxed asses so comfortable come from. Try producing something you whining bimbos.</p>
<p>The cities are the problem, they breed nothing but vermin for the rest of the world. Cars are not the problem. The unwashed hordes cramming into 'luxury' roach motels they pass off as city apartments these days are.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57798</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;m aware of that, Zach.  And if you plan the woonerven well it wouldn&#039;t be so bad.  But I don&#039;t really like off-street parking either.  The hollowed-out railroad suburbs of Long Island depress me.  The parking pedestals of Stamford disturb me.  Underground parking garages are a waste of good digging equipment, time and energy - and you can&#039;t really get that back.  All those kinds of parking still generate plenty of trips.  I think it&#039;d be better to find ways to encourage people to get rid of the cars rather than to stick them underground somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I'm aware of that, Zach.  And if you plan the woonerven well it wouldn't be so bad.  But I don't really like off-street parking either.  The hollowed-out railroad suburbs of Long Island depress me.  The parking pedestals of Stamford disturb me.  Underground parking garages are a waste of good digging equipment, time and energy - and you can't really get that back.  All those kinds of parking still generate plenty of trips.  I think it'd be better to find ways to encourage people to get rid of the cars rather than to stick them underground somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: zach</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57795</link>
		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian - nice video!

Capn - There are plenty of techniques for slowing drivers, all explained in detail on this site.  Chicanes, neckdowns, humps, traffic circles, and of course the mild-mannered stop sign.

We don&#039;t need to waste half the street space on traffic that is designed not to move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian - nice video!</p>
<p>Capn - There are plenty of techniques for slowing drivers, all explained in detail on this site.  Chicanes, neckdowns, humps, traffic circles, and of course the mild-mannered stop sign.</p>
<p>We don't need to waste half the street space on traffic that is designed not to move.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57792</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capn, actually I think that bollards lining a narrow street do serve as a substantial slow-down cue for cars, because hitting the bollards is an expensive proposition. See for example streets crossing Fulton St. in Las Vegas. The tricky thing is that in such a scheme there is no place for cars to stop to make deliveries etc. What is difficult is that in New York it doesn&#039;t really help to provide delivery-only street parking as it will be abused.

(I can&#039;t believe I just used Las Vegas an example of good city planning).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capn, actually I think that bollards lining a narrow street do serve as a substantial slow-down cue for cars, because hitting the bollards is an expensive proposition. See for example streets crossing Fulton St. in Las Vegas. The tricky thing is that in such a scheme there is no place for cars to stop to make deliveries etc. What is difficult is that in New York it doesn't really help to provide delivery-only street parking as it will be abused.</p>
<p>(I can't believe I just used Las Vegas an example of good city planning).</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57790</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, I agree that bollards would work, but in many cases (such as quiet residential streets or busy shopping districts) we should be working towards a woonerf model.  Bollards go against that by encouraging speeding.  A woonerf needs all those subtle Monderman cues to tell motorists to slow down.  My point is that we need to be clear about our vision of what the street will ultimately look like, and not just say, &quot;get all the parked cars off the street.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, I agree that bollards would work, but in many cases (such as quiet residential streets or busy shopping districts) we should be working towards a woonerf model.  Bollards go against that by encouraging speeding.  A woonerf needs all those subtle Monderman cues to tell motorists to slow down.  My point is that we need to be clear about our vision of what the street will ultimately look like, and not just say, "get all the parked cars off the street."</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57766</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capn: Easy answer. Bollards are just as good at protecting pedestrians from cars and take up roughly 1/10 the space. They&#039;re actually better than parked cars, because unlike vehicles they don&#039;t obstruct drivers&#039; views.

Also see this entertaining video of what happens when truck and bollard go head-to-head:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BUrfaJ2AnE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capn: Easy answer. Bollards are just as good at protecting pedestrians from cars and take up roughly 1/10 the space. They're actually better than parked cars, because unlike vehicles they don't obstruct drivers' views.</p>
<p>Also see this entertaining video of what happens when truck and bollard go head-to-head:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BUrfaJ2AnE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BUrfaJ2AnE</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pursuant</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57761</link>
		<dc:creator>Pursuant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More Parking = More cars = More congestion

No problem with that argument, but this report posits several straw men arguments only to disregard them with their own trumped up conclusions.

Someone needs to go to statistics class. The 45% number is a complete crock it&#039;s not even supported by their own data. Lying to prove your point shouldn&#039;t be necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More Parking = More cars = More congestion</p>
<p>No problem with that argument, but this report posits several straw men arguments only to disregard them with their own trumped up conclusions.</p>
<p>Someone needs to go to statistics class. The 45% number is a complete crock it's not even supported by their own data. Lying to prove your point shouldn't be necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57753</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lunatic Fringe,

I&#039;ve been thinking about that: &quot;What if there is a cheap, low-polluting automobile that is mass produced in the next 10 years?&quot;

My concern is with urban areas and land use.  I think the only thing that could save the urban fabric in that case is still the amount of traffic that would be created if everyone felt compelled to drive.  

The fact remains that regardless of the type of car that is invented, we will still never be able to build enough roads to accommodate the number of cars a region the size of NYC, Chicago, LA, SF, Dallas, Atlanta, etc would require to move everyone around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lunatic Fringe,</p>
<p>I've been thinking about that: "What if there is a cheap, low-polluting automobile that is mass produced in the next 10 years?"</p>
<p>My concern is with urban areas and land use.  I think the only thing that could save the urban fabric in that case is still the amount of traffic that would be created if everyone felt compelled to drive.  </p>
<p>The fact remains that regardless of the type of car that is invented, we will still never be able to build enough roads to accommodate the number of cars a region the size of NYC, Chicago, LA, SF, Dallas, Atlanta, etc would require to move everyone around.</p>
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		<title>By: Lunatic Fringe</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57749</link>
		<dc:creator>Lunatic Fringe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Micheal not feeling you at all. It seems important to you that you get concurrence with your position, but I really can&#039;t see expending the resources to enable you to drive to countryside for the weekend. Private car parking, whether public or private, has zero value to me. In fact parking, and the driving it spawns, is a burden in every way: It makes space in the city more expensive; makes transit poorer; slows delivery and trade vehicles and increases those costs; increases the cost of roads, bridges, and ferries.... The list just goes on and on, I just pray we move away from cars before we actually do invent a practical electric alternative. It will set civilization back 100 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Micheal not feeling you at all. It seems important to you that you get concurrence with your position, but I really can't see expending the resources to enable you to drive to countryside for the weekend. Private car parking, whether public or private, has zero value to me. In fact parking, and the driving it spawns, is a burden in every way: It makes space in the city more expensive; makes transit poorer; slows delivery and trade vehicles and increases those costs; increases the cost of roads, bridges, and ferries.... The list just goes on and on, I just pray we move away from cars before we actually do invent a practical electric alternative. It will set civilization back 100 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57743</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If fighting TRAFFIC congestion in the city is our objective (and I think it is)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oh, well that&#039;s easy.  It&#039;s certainly &lt;i&gt;an&lt;/i&gt; objective, but it&#039;s not my only objective, and it&#039;s not the only objective of the editors of this blog.  I quote from the About page:
&lt;blockquote&gt;We are part of a growing coalition of individuals and organizations in cities around the world working to transform our cities by reducing dependence on private automobiles and improving conditions for cyclists, pedestrians and transit riders.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I, for one, am just as concerned about reducing traffic congestion during Friday and Sunday evenings as during rush hours.  I&#039;ve also discussed the negative impact that auto-dependent vacationing city-dwellers have on country areas, which you have not yet addressed.

Finally, although you&#039;ve declared your disagreement with the conclusions of the study, you have yet to provide any basis for that disagreement other than stating that you don&#039;t want to be inconvenienced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If fighting TRAFFIC congestion in the city is our objective (and I think it is)</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, well that's easy.  It's certainly <i>an</i> objective, but it's not my only objective, and it's not the only objective of the editors of this blog.  I quote from the About page:</p>
<blockquote><p>We are part of a growing coalition of individuals and organizations in cities around the world working to transform our cities by reducing dependence on private automobiles and improving conditions for cyclists, pedestrians and transit riders.</p></blockquote>
<p>I, for one, am just as concerned about reducing traffic congestion during Friday and Sunday evenings as during rush hours.  I've also discussed the negative impact that auto-dependent vacationing city-dwellers have on country areas, which you have not yet addressed.</p>
<p>Finally, although you've declared your disagreement with the conclusions of the study, you have yet to provide any basis for that disagreement other than stating that you don't want to be inconvenienced.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57741</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You want to discourage all &quot;destination&quot; parking (work, shopping and recreation) to discourage driving. If you succeed, and people get rid of their cars, then what do you need the &quot;source&quot; parking for?&quot;

I want to discourage &quot;destination&quot; parking so as to reduce traffic CONGESTION during rush hours IN THE CITY. 

People should feel free to use their cars, on the weekend for example, to go wherever they might wish - outside of rush hour times, outside of the city, and they Should NOT have to worry about needing to spend 45 minutes trying to find a stinkin parking spot when they come home.

THIS is my whole point. If fighting TRAFFIC congestion in the city is our objective (and I think it is) then let us fight JUST THAT - and not inconvenience ourselves by worsening and already pretty bad residential or source parking picture.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"You want to discourage all "destination" parking (work, shopping and recreation) to discourage driving. If you succeed, and people get rid of their cars, then what do you need the "source" parking for?"</p>
<p>I want to discourage "destination" parking so as to reduce traffic CONGESTION during rush hours IN THE CITY. </p>
<p>People should feel free to use their cars, on the weekend for example, to go wherever they might wish - outside of rush hour times, outside of the city, and they Should NOT have to worry about needing to spend 45 minutes trying to find a stinkin parking spot when they come home.</p>
<p>THIS is my whole point. If fighting TRAFFIC congestion in the city is our objective (and I think it is) then let us fight JUST THAT - and not inconvenience ourselves by worsening and already pretty bad residential or source parking picture.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57739</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think the addition of off-street paid parking lots allows us to free up the parking lanes for bus lanes, bike lanes, wider sidewalks, all the dreams of non-drivers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sounds nice, but there&#039;s the matter that parked cars do provide a buffer to protect pedestrians.  If you take that away you decrease safety.  How do you propose to compensate for that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think the addition of off-street paid parking lots allows us to free up the parking lanes for bus lanes, bike lanes, wider sidewalks, all the dreams of non-drivers.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sounds nice, but there's the matter that parked cars do provide a buffer to protect pedestrians.  If you take that away you decrease safety.  How do you propose to compensate for that?</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57738</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;USING you car during rush hour to commute to an already over-crowded city should be discouraged as should &quot;destination&quot; parking.... PARKING your vehicle near where you live (&quot;source&quot; parking) should NOT.

Everyone feel me here?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Let me see if I do.  You want to discourage all &quot;destination&quot; parking (work, shopping and recreation) to discourage driving.  If you succeed, and people get rid of their cars, then what do you need the &quot;source&quot; parking for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>USING you car during rush hour to commute to an already over-crowded city should be discouraged as should "destination" parking.... PARKING your vehicle near where you live ("source" parking) should NOT.</p>
<p>Everyone feel me here?</p></blockquote>
<p>Let me see if I do.  You want to discourage all "destination" parking (work, shopping and recreation) to discourage driving.  If you succeed, and people get rid of their cars, then what do you need the "source" parking for?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OFF STREET PARKING

The reason I suggest large OFF-street UNDERGROUND parking as a way to solve the issue is these reasons:

Only 1 (one) curb cut for many many cars - So Less Dangerous to pederstrian

Underground: So less unsightly, doesn&#039;t materially impact housing costs and contains emissions (somewhat)

Efficient: Large underground garages which hold 100 or 200 cars can make life for EVERYONE, including non-car owners better as it will reduce the need to drive around to find a spot (less emissions), will reduce associated traffic (safer) and congestion and will improve neighborhood dynamics &amp; home values (more desirable neighborhood)

None of this is to take away the fact that DRIVING to the city SHOULD be expensive - With this I agree...

USING you car during rush hour to commute to an already over-crowded city should be discouraged as should &quot;destination&quot; parking.... PARKING your vehicle near where you live (&quot;source&quot; parking) should NOT.

Everyone feel me here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OFF STREET PARKING</p>
<p>The reason I suggest large OFF-street UNDERGROUND parking as a way to solve the issue is these reasons:</p>
<p>Only 1 (one) curb cut for many many cars - So Less Dangerous to pederstrian</p>
<p>Underground: So less unsightly, doesn't materially impact housing costs and contains emissions (somewhat)</p>
<p>Efficient: Large underground garages which hold 100 or 200 cars can make life for EVERYONE, including non-car owners better as it will reduce the need to drive around to find a spot (less emissions), will reduce associated traffic (safer) and congestion and will improve neighborhood dynamics &amp; home values (more desirable neighborhood)</p>
<p>None of this is to take away the fact that DRIVING to the city SHOULD be expensive - With this I agree...</p>
<p>USING you car during rush hour to commute to an already over-crowded city should be discouraged as should "destination" parking.... PARKING your vehicle near where you live ("source" parking) should NOT.</p>
<p>Everyone feel me here?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57736</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OFF STREET PARKING</description>
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		<title>By: Moocow</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57732</link>
		<dc:creator>Moocow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not just remove parking from one side of the street? I am picturing the children who have a 6 foot wide sidewalk to play with, up my block.  Just stop allowing cars to park in OUR collective space? Why do we allow so much free car storage?  I recognize many of the cars on my block, they are here, at least all week days, all day - for free. Let&#039;s clear out the car free public car storage, and start dead ending some of these residential streets and turn them over to the people who live on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not just remove parking from one side of the street? I am picturing the children who have a 6 foot wide sidewalk to play with, up my block.  Just stop allowing cars to park in OUR collective space? Why do we allow so much free car storage?  I recognize many of the cars on my block, they are here, at least all week days, all day - for free. Let's clear out the car free public car storage, and start dead ending some of these residential streets and turn them over to the people who live on them.</p>
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		<title>By: zach</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57731</link>
		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James: if off-street parking is not the most economically viable way to use that space, then keep raising the price of parking at the lot until it is, and eliminate on-street parking so people&#039;s only choices are to get rid of the car or pay out the nose for parking.  If half do each, we&#039;ll be in great shape.

Lunatic Fringe: Great addiction metaphor.  I don&#039;t think anything has decreased the amount of smoking as much as huge taxes on cigarettes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James: if off-street parking is not the most economically viable way to use that space, then keep raising the price of parking at the lot until it is, and eliminate on-street parking so people's only choices are to get rid of the car or pay out the nose for parking.  If half do each, we'll be in great shape.</p>
<p>Lunatic Fringe: Great addiction metaphor.  I don't think anything has decreased the amount of smoking as much as huge taxes on cigarettes.</p>
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		<title>By: zach</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/15/study-city-residential-parking-requirements-lead-to-more-driving/comment-page-1/#comment-57730</link>
		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a car owner and I agree with Michael.  I think the addition of off-street paid parking lots allows us to free up the parking lanes for bus lanes, bike lanes, wider sidewalks, all the dreams of non-drivers.  If we took half the parking spots off of the street and used them for other purposes, then put market rate meters at the remaining spots and added a similar number of spots in lots, we&#039;d have the same amount of parking and a whole lot more space for non-driving needs.  Imagine how much traffic is simply people moving their cars for street cleaning!  We non-drivers have to face that extra-aggressive traffic.

I don&#039;t care if people smoke cigarettes as long as they don&#039;t do it at the table next to mine at the restaurant, and I don&#039;t care if people park their cars as long as I don&#039;t have to look at the cars when I walk down the street.  On street parking should be for deliveries and quick visits.  Residents should be economically motivated to get their cars off the street.

Hide these ugly monsters away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not a car owner and I agree with Michael.  I think the addition of off-street paid parking lots allows us to free up the parking lanes for bus lanes, bike lanes, wider sidewalks, all the dreams of non-drivers.  If we took half the parking spots off of the street and used them for other purposes, then put market rate meters at the remaining spots and added a similar number of spots in lots, we'd have the same amount of parking and a whole lot more space for non-driving needs.  Imagine how much traffic is simply people moving their cars for street cleaning!  We non-drivers have to face that extra-aggressive traffic.</p>
<p>I don't care if people smoke cigarettes as long as they don't do it at the table next to mine at the restaurant, and I don't care if people park their cars as long as I don't have to look at the cars when I walk down the street.  On street parking should be for deliveries and quick visits.  Residents should be economically motivated to get their cars off the street.</p>
<p>Hide these ugly monsters away.</p>
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