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	<title>Comments on: Economy Hitting the Skids? Time to Get Ambitious About Transportation</title>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/07/economy-hitting-the-skids-time-to-get-ambitious-about-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-57542</link>
		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16 gecko (continued) . . . with MTA annual cash flows of about $6 to $9 billion (and underfunded) the costs to achieve 40-percent cycling would be a small percentage since it does not require 1.2 million dollar subway cars and one-half million dollar buses with the required infrastructure, maintenance, and bureaucracy that is also expensive since it is a very restrictive local monopoly based on very difficult and expensive technology.

A forty-percent cycling New York would pretty much run itself once things got going.

Since Paris has 20,600 rental bikes (typically used 5 to 12 times a day) serving 2 million people, a New York class public bike system serving over 8 million people should probably scale up to over 100,000 rental bikes.  More people can be brought into the system by allowing them to use their own bikes and supplying services such as bike parking, bike purchase and repair and maintenance discounts, etc.  Many others can cycle on there own outside the system yet indirectly benefit as well especially, from the greatly improved safety on the streets.

A sufficiently well thought-out and implemented initiative towards forty-percent cycling should provide net savings (and even income) to the city government and New Yorkers within a very short time, possibly in the time frame of a year or two; a very good investment that makes good economic sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16 gecko (continued) . . . with MTA annual cash flows of about $6 to $9 billion (and underfunded) the costs to achieve 40-percent cycling would be a small percentage since it does not require 1.2 million dollar subway cars and one-half million dollar buses with the required infrastructure, maintenance, and bureaucracy that is also expensive since it is a very restrictive local monopoly based on very difficult and expensive technology.</p>
<p>A forty-percent cycling New York would pretty much run itself once things got going.</p>
<p>Since Paris has 20,600 rental bikes (typically used 5 to 12 times a day) serving 2 million people, a New York class public bike system serving over 8 million people should probably scale up to over 100,000 rental bikes.  More people can be brought into the system by allowing them to use their own bikes and supplying services such as bike parking, bike purchase and repair and maintenance discounts, etc.  Many others can cycle on there own outside the system yet indirectly benefit as well especially, from the greatly improved safety on the streets.</p>
<p>A sufficiently well thought-out and implemented initiative towards forty-percent cycling should provide net savings (and even income) to the city government and New Yorkers within a very short time, possibly in the time frame of a year or two; a very good investment that makes good economic sense.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15 gecko (continued) . . . almost forgot:  congestion costs $13 billion a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15 gecko (continued) . . . almost forgot:  congestion costs $13 billion a year.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 02:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now lets see.  Road accidents in this city cost about $2 billion; in the state, about $20 billion.  

Half the street space freed up for people would greatly increase paid parking revenue and the subsequent sales tax.  That should pay for something.

If a lot of city people just give up on their cars, they should have at least $1000 disposable income from not paying car insurance . . . 

Quality of life would improve sufficiently to further enhance New York as a tourist destination and revenues from sales tax.

Road repair costs should drop substantially.

Medical costs from noise, poor air quality should drop substantially.

Just a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now lets see.  Road accidents in this city cost about $2 billion; in the state, about $20 billion.  </p>
<p>Half the street space freed up for people would greatly increase paid parking revenue and the subsequent sales tax.  That should pay for something.</p>
<p>If a lot of city people just give up on their cars, they should have at least $1000 disposable income from not paying car insurance . . . </p>
<p>Quality of life would improve sufficiently to further enhance New York as a tourist destination and revenues from sales tax.</p>
<p>Road repair costs should drop substantially.</p>
<p>Medical costs from noise, poor air quality should drop substantially.</p>
<p>Just a start.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brilliant, gecko - where can we find your plan &amp; funding proposal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brilliant, gecko &#8211; where can we find your plan &amp; funding proposal?</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/10/07/economy-hitting-the-skids-time-to-get-ambitious-about-transportation/comment-page-1/#comment-57499</link>
		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A forty-percent cycling NY will jump start the recovery.  Just that simple.</description>
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		<title>By: Doc Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JK, Obama&#039;s middle class tax cuts are more than paid for by his rolling back of Bush&#039;s cuts for the wealthiest. If today&#039;s &quot;economic conservatives&quot; are right about anything, it is that an Obama administration would increase revenues for our cash-hemorrhaging, hopelessly indebted government (how unpatriotic). Not that there will be enough cash for the infrastructure we want, far from it, but Obama&#039;s particular tax policies won&#039;t be the cause of the shortfall. And as we stop pouring federal money into highway expansion I think we&#039;ll find we can at least afford to run our national 1960s train system more effectively than our dead-ended highway and airway systems. Amtrak doesn&#039;t need haute vitesse right now as much as it needs non-retarded scheduling. Also we could try not paying paramilitary police to unleash the hounds on train passengers. As circumstances force our country to stop treating its railroad network like a train set that unimportant (and eccentric?) little people ride on, I think we&#039;ll be surprised at how &lt;i&gt;trains can&#039;t help but work&lt;/i&gt;.

Same goes within New York, although we&#039;re already half-way there (MTA puts Amtrak to shame, at least). Bicycles are the indefatigable low cost leader, but subways are right behind them and valued above all else by the public. Fares will go up before subways are allowed to fail, but before fares go up much more I would bet on the free ride (and park) for automobiles within city limits coming to a dramatic end. The money for better transit is out there; we just have to put it into transit instead of public and private trash. It will happen simply, and finally, because our economy requires it to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JK, Obama&#8217;s middle class tax cuts are more than paid for by his rolling back of Bush&#8217;s cuts for the wealthiest. If today&#8217;s &#8220;economic conservatives&#8221; are right about anything, it is that an Obama administration would increase revenues for our cash-hemorrhaging, hopelessly indebted government (how unpatriotic). Not that there will be enough cash for the infrastructure we want, far from it, but Obama&#8217;s particular tax policies won&#8217;t be the cause of the shortfall. And as we stop pouring federal money into highway expansion I think we&#8217;ll find we can at least afford to run our national 1960s train system more effectively than our dead-ended highway and airway systems. Amtrak doesn&#8217;t need haute vitesse right now as much as it needs non-retarded scheduling. Also we could try not paying paramilitary police to unleash the hounds on train passengers. As circumstances force our country to stop treating its railroad network like a train set that unimportant (and eccentric?) little people ride on, I think we&#8217;ll be surprised at how <i>trains can&#8217;t help but work</i>.</p>
<p>Same goes within New York, although we&#8217;re already half-way there (MTA puts Amtrak to shame, at least). Bicycles are the indefatigable low cost leader, but subways are right behind them and valued above all else by the public. Fares will go up before subways are allowed to fail, but before fares go up much more I would bet on the free ride (and park) for automobiles within city limits coming to a dramatic end. The money for better transit is out there; we just have to put it into transit instead of public and private trash. It will happen simply, and finally, because our economy requires it to.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This ain&#039;t 1992, it&#039;s much much worse. This would have to be a federal initiative. NY State and City and, especially, the MTA have effectively maxed their credit. That&#039;s why there is a huge gap in the MTA capital plan. There is not much appetite to buy more debt from localities and states whose tax revenues are plunging. Like it or not, the Wall St bailout(s) plus Iraq, Afghanistan and an existing huge federal deficit and Obama promise of a middle class tax cut argue against higher levels of federal spending on transportation anytime soon. Odds are that NYC is going to have a hard time hanging onto its existing transit infrastructure, let alone adding to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ain&#8217;t 1992, it&#8217;s much much worse. This would have to be a federal initiative. NY State and City and, especially, the MTA have effectively maxed their credit. That&#8217;s why there is a huge gap in the MTA capital plan. There is not much appetite to buy more debt from localities and states whose tax revenues are plunging. Like it or not, the Wall St bailout(s) plus Iraq, Afghanistan and an existing huge federal deficit and Obama promise of a middle class tax cut argue against higher levels of federal spending on transportation anytime soon. Odds are that NYC is going to have a hard time hanging onto its existing transit infrastructure, let alone adding to it.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 gecko (continued); . . . . And, could serve as replicable model for large world-class cities across this planet.

Though hardly macro economic locally; since Columbia University&#039;s Earth Institute is pro bono consultant to the city, Director Jeff Sachs, economics Nobel Laureate Joe Stieglitz, and Geoffrey Heal (Paul Garrett Professor of Public Policy and Business Responsibility, School of Business) could be enlisted to do the financials, etc. similar to what they collaborated on with the Rainforest Coalition.  NASA’s Goddard and IPCC scientist Cynthia Rosenzweig could be the environmental lead.

United Nations staff would benefit . . . , etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 gecko (continued); . . . . And, could serve as replicable model for large world-class cities across this planet.</p>
<p>Though hardly macro economic locally; since Columbia University&#8217;s Earth Institute is pro bono consultant to the city, Director Jeff Sachs, economics Nobel Laureate Joe Stieglitz, and Geoffrey Heal (Paul Garrett Professor of Public Policy and Business Responsibility, School of Business) could be enlisted to do the financials, etc. similar to what they collaborated on with the Rainforest Coalition.  NASA’s Goddard and IPCC scientist Cynthia Rosenzweig could be the environmental lead.</p>
<p>United Nations staff would benefit . . . , etc.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A New York City class public bike system will transformational, cost far less than typical public works projects, and likely have immediate return in tourism and other indirect sources of income derived from highly improved mobility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A New York City class public bike system will transformational, cost far less than typical public works projects, and likely have immediate return in tourism and other indirect sources of income derived from highly improved mobility.</p>
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		<title>By: Niccolo Machiavelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niccolo Machiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does mass transit have to say where they get the money?  The banks don&#039;t. If they would have asked where they were going to get the money they never would have invaded Iraq.  Transit turns in $4 in economic benefit for every $1 invested.  Thats a much better multiplier than single family housing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does mass transit have to say where they get the money?  The banks don&#8217;t. If they would have asked where they were going to get the money they never would have invaded Iraq.  Transit turns in $4 in economic benefit for every $1 invested.  Thats a much better multiplier than single family housing.</p>
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		<title>By: boris256</title>
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		<dc:creator>boris256</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

Why not write to the Pentagon? If they give us just the amount of cash that was stolen in Iraq, we can build two Second Avenue lines. If they don&#039;t want to do that, they can give us some old military equipment to sell on EBay. We can raise billions, and they get a tax break!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>Why not write to the Pentagon? If they give us just the amount of cash that was stolen in Iraq, we can build two Second Avenue lines. If they don&#8217;t want to do that, they can give us some old military equipment to sell on EBay. We can raise billions, and they get a tax break!</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or the &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/08/santo-domingo-m.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Santo Domingo Metro&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or the <a href="http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/08/santo-domingo-m.html" rel="nofollow">Santo Domingo Metro</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the amount of money available goes down, the money promised to senior citizens -- who hold public debts, are entitled to public pensions, and are due public health care -- rises.  Everything else gets cut.

Borrow our way out of it?  We could borrow in Great Depression I because we were a net creditor with a low national debt.  Now we are bankrupt.

Study the Buenos Aires subway system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the amount of money available goes down, the money promised to senior citizens &#8212; who hold public debts, are entitled to public pensions, and are due public health care &#8212; rises.  Everything else gets cut.</p>
<p>Borrow our way out of it?  We could borrow in Great Depression I because we were a net creditor with a low national debt.  Now we are bankrupt.</p>
<p>Study the Buenos Aires subway system.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which, in turn, may mean municipal consolidation - the third rail of suburban politics. Look at New Jersey, with its hundreds upon hundreds of tiny municipalities. No way does each one in isolation have enough ratables to raise the necessary tax revenue to pay back those bonds in the event that they decide to undertake large-scale public works projects as an economic stimulus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which, in turn, may mean municipal consolidation &#8211; the third rail of suburban politics. Look at New Jersey, with its hundreds upon hundreds of tiny municipalities. No way does each one in isolation have enough ratables to raise the necessary tax revenue to pay back those bonds in the event that they decide to undertake large-scale public works projects as an economic stimulus.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s write a letter asking Warren Buffett for a billion dollars for transit improvements and see what happens.  The worst he can do is say no, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s write a letter asking Warren Buffett for a billion dollars for transit improvements and see what happens.  The worst he can do is say no, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Omri Schwarz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omri Schwarz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>State and local governments, if they want to do ambitious infrastructure programs, are going to have to gain investor confidence that they can pay back their bonds. That means serious, painful cost cutting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>State and local governments, if they want to do ambitious infrastructure programs, are going to have to gain investor confidence that they can pay back their bonds. That means serious, painful cost cutting.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this. It made my day.</description>
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