Comments on: Manhattan Bridge Bike Path Mired for Years in Construction Bureaucracy http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: williams http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-57733 williams Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:05:30 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-57733 SEO Link Building, Real time reporting, Affordable prices with minimum 7 day guarantee <a href="http://www.widecircles.com" rel="nofollow">Link Building</a> SEO Link Building, Real time reporting,
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]]> By: Steven O'Neill http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-57565 Steven O'Neill Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:15:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-57565 NB on Vanderbilt, L on DeKalb R on Ashland Continue on Navy L on Sands L to Manhattan Bridge path NB on Vanderbilt,
L on DeKalb
R on Ashland
Continue on Navy
L on Sands
L to Manhattan Bridge path

]]> By: Anthony http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-57550 Anthony Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:34:00 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-57550 I ride from Prospect Heights, but I just take Bergen -> Smith, which turns into Jay, and get on the ramp from there. How would I get on to Ashland? I ride from Prospect Heights, but I just take Bergen -> Smith, which turns into Jay, and get on the ramp from there. How would I get on to Ashland?

]]> By: Moocow http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-57039 Moocow Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:46:25 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-57039 Sands is a mess, and necessary conduit for the riders Mike describes. For some reason I pictured the "walled" path on Jay street, which is an frenzy of cycling hazards, moron/selfish/raging drivers and confusing signage. Besides tangling with cars and trucks, they are cars and trucks that are still mentally (heh.) on a highway. Anyone else notice the wheel sucking crack in the cement, as you make your way across the off-ramp traffic? The Jay Street approach seems similar to the 8th Ave Lane by Port Authority, as soon as a cyclist and cars really need the delineation of a bike lane, it ends. I am having that kind of day, maybe I can go grab some photos. Sands is a mess, and necessary conduit for the riders Mike describes.
For some reason I pictured the “walled” path on Jay street, which is an frenzy of cycling hazards, moron/selfish/raging drivers and confusing signage. Besides tangling with cars and trucks, they are cars and trucks that are still mentally (heh.) on a highway. Anyone else notice the wheel sucking crack in the cement, as you make your way across the off-ramp traffic?
The Jay Street approach seems similar to the 8th Ave Lane by Port Authority, as soon as a cyclist and cars really need the delineation of a bike lane, it ends.
I am having that kind of day, maybe I can go grab some photos.

]]> By: Mike http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-57037 Mike Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:31:01 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-57037 Josh, this connects the bridge to the Ashland Place bike lanes, and from there to Fort Greene, Park Slope, Prospect Heights, etc. The missing link is Sands Street, which is a nightmare of speeding, aggressive traffic. Josh, this connects the bridge to the Ashland Place bike lanes, and from there to Fort Greene, Park Slope, Prospect Heights, etc. The missing link is Sands Street, which is a nightmare of speeding, aggressive traffic.

]]> By: Susan Donovan http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-57034 Susan Donovan Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:18:19 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-57034 I meant the Bronx side of the *Madison Ave.* bridge... I meant the Bronx side of the *Madison Ave.* bridge…

]]> By: Barnard http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-57023 Barnard Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:53:14 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-57023 Thanks, Ben and StreetsBlog for this very informative look into the City's bureaucracy. I guess the lesson learned is that even when the implementing agencies, like the DOT, want to do the right thing, there are other cogs inside City Hall that need to move--DDC and OMB, to name a few. Mayor Mike, it sounds like you're going to have a few more years to streamline these types of problems. Get to it! The DOT may be in the 21st century, but your other offices are stuck with a 1950s motorhead world view. They need to get with it and help their colleagues at other City agencies build streets that make NYC a world-class place to live and work in 2008 (or 2013), not in 1953. As for the Sands Street project: it's cool, but I bet that after it's built a majority of Manhattan Bridge bound cyclists will continue to ride on Jay Street. Thanks, Ben and StreetsBlog for this very informative look into the City’s bureaucracy. I guess the lesson learned is that even when the implementing agencies, like the DOT, want to do the right thing, there are other cogs inside City Hall that need to move–DDC and OMB, to name a few.

Mayor Mike, it sounds like you’re going to have a few more years to streamline these types of problems. Get to it! The DOT may be in the 21st century, but your other offices are stuck with a 1950s motorhead world view. They need to get with it and help their colleagues at other City agencies build streets that make NYC a world-class place to live and work in 2008 (or 2013), not in 1953.

As for the Sands Street project: it’s cool, but I bet that after it’s built a majority of Manhattan Bridge bound cyclists will continue to ride on Jay Street.

]]> By: Josh http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-57021 Josh Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:24:08 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-57021 Maybe I'm confused here - who, other than the residents of Vinegar Hill and the Farragut houses, is approaching the Manhattan Bridge from the East along Sands Street? Maybe I’m confused here – who, other than the residents of Vinegar Hill and the Farragut houses, is approaching the Manhattan Bridge from the East along Sands Street?

]]> By: Susan Donovan http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-57018 Susan Donovan Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:50:11 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-57018 These type of wastelands discourage people from biking and walking. This is a lot like the issues on the Bronx side of the Manhattan bridge. Bridge access is a weak link in the bike and pedestrian transportation network. These type of wastelands discourage people from biking and walking. This is a lot like the issues on the Bronx side of the Manhattan bridge.

Bridge access is a weak link in the bike and pedestrian transportation network.

]]> By: Mike http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-56997 Mike Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:57:27 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-56997 How can two blocks of bike path cost $4.6 million? How can two blocks of bike path cost $4.6 million?

]]> By: Jeffrey Hymen http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-56993 Jeffrey Hymen Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:19:39 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-56993 No one asked me to be DOT's apologist, but the agency seems to be getting criticized for failing with its strategy to expedite the construction. Personally, I want to encourage bureaucrats to get creative on my behalf, even if they some times fail. Anyway, looking forward, it is my understanding that Trocom has received its "Order to Work" and will start soon on the project, which is now anticipated to be completed in nine months. No one asked me to be DOT’s apologist, but the agency seems to be getting criticized for failing with its strategy to expedite the construction. Personally, I want to encourage bureaucrats to get creative on my behalf, even if they some times fail.

Anyway, looking forward, it is my understanding that Trocom has received its “Order to Work” and will start soon on the project, which is now anticipated to be completed in nine months.

]]> By: J. Mork http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-56991 J. Mork Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:58:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-56991 The cyclist in the "how Sands Street looks today" picture above is doing it the way I do it -- ride on the left near the center line until you pass the on-ramps. The cyclist in the “how Sands Street looks today” picture above is doing it the way I do it — ride on the left near the center line until you pass the on-ramps.

]]> By: marcus http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-56987 marcus Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:48:35 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-56987 Thanks for this update. I take Sands to the Manhattan Bridge everyday and not a day passes that I don't curse the state of the pavement, and the lack of a safer approach. On my evening commute, I don't take Sands because w/ the BQE on ramp, it's too dangerous. So instead, it's Jay Street to Tillary (bike lanes on Tillary please!) Thanks for this update. I take Sands to the Manhattan Bridge everyday and not a day passes that I don’t curse the state of the pavement, and the lack of a safer approach.

On my evening commute, I don’t take Sands because w/ the BQE on ramp, it’s too dangerous. So instead, it’s Jay Street to Tillary (bike lanes on Tillary please!)

]]> By: mike http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-56984 mike Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:14:23 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-56984 This is a great story. Streetsblog should be doing more of these! This is a great story. Streetsblog should be doing more of these!

]]> By: paulb http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-56982 paulb Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:39:46 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-56982 So informative! I've been wondering what's going on down there.... Sands Street, downhill, at night, in the rain... a cheap thrill if ever there was one, but one I could do without. So informative! I’ve been wondering what’s going on down there…. Sands Street, downhill, at night, in the rain… a cheap thrill if ever there was one, but one I could do without.

]]> By: Liam Patrick http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-56969 Liam Patrick Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:56:15 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-56969 Awesome report. Great graphics and pictures. Awesome report. Great graphics and pictures.

]]> By: BicyclesOnly http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/30/manhattan-bridge-bike-path-mired-for-years-in-construction-bureaucracy/comment-page-1/#comment-56967 BicyclesOnly Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:40:03 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/?p=4356#comment-56967 Ben and Aaron, very well done bit of journalism. Thanks. Let's hope this gets done before the current DoT administration ends, or it may never get done. Ben and Aaron, very well done bit of journalism. Thanks. Let’s hope this gets done before the current DoT administration ends, or it may never get done.

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