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		<title>By: Ian Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/22/americas-least-wanted-highways/comment-page-1/#comment-56660</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked my girlfriend, who is from Seattle, what she thought about the viaduct, and this is what she had to say:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, as like most things, it depends on who you ask. ;-) Admittedly, major sections of the highway will collapse in a strong enough earthquake with a direct hit on the city, although it has survived several smaller / less direct earthquakes in my lifetime. The real estate space that it takes up is valuable--for development into (yet more) condos in the downtown area. But overall, I think the highway gets a bad rap. For instance, we used it almost every day when we were visiting Seattle--it is the highway that turns into Aurora Avenue North--this is the street that our hotel was located on and we drove fairly quickly and easily from the south end (ie, my parent&#039;s house) up to the North end (Greenlake) using the Alaskan Way Viaduct / Highway 99 / Aurora Avenue North. If it was taken down, our only viable option for going North / South (and Seattle is a N/S city because of the hills) would be to take I-5, which is often slow, dangerous (some sections quite dangerous) and clogged with traffic. The section of the viaduct that traverses the downtown area is elevated and the area underneath has not gone to total waste--it is actively used for businesses, commercial parking, and even sections of the Pike Place Market.

In my option, the fact that the Viaduct is there takes away a lot of  surface traffic from the downtown core, which makes it much more walkable and enjoyable for pedestrians. Now if they tore down the Viaduct and REPLACED it with a monorail train system and / or underground subway system, I would be on board for that, in fact it would be pretty cool. But this is where local politics get tricky--the voters approved a VERY-POPULAR-WITH-THE-PEOPLE mass transit system almost ten years ago--they passed it into law (if I remember my history correctly here) but then the state said that it had no money for the project and it when into either perma-delay or was shut down entirely. Maybe the construction that we witnessed down by the airport is the surviving-half-bastard-step child of the original project.

That is probably a longer answer than what you were looking for, but in conclusion, no, I don&#039;t think it should be torn down until the state / city comes up with more real, feasible, &amp; funded solutions to transportation in the Seattle area. Complete the promised light rail system connecting the downtown core, and then take down the Viaduct, and devote at least 1/4 of the re-claimed land to public space / public parks / the arts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked my girlfriend, who is from Seattle, what she thought about the viaduct, and this is what she had to say:</p>
<blockquote><p>Well, as like most things, it depends on who you ask. <img src='http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Admittedly, major sections of the highway will collapse in a strong enough earthquake with a direct hit on the city, although it has survived several smaller / less direct earthquakes in my lifetime. The real estate space that it takes up is valuable--for development into (yet more) condos in the downtown area. But overall, I think the highway gets a bad rap. For instance, we used it almost every day when we were visiting Seattle--it is the highway that turns into Aurora Avenue North--this is the street that our hotel was located on and we drove fairly quickly and easily from the south end (ie, my parent's house) up to the North end (Greenlake) using the Alaskan Way Viaduct / Highway 99 / Aurora Avenue North. If it was taken down, our only viable option for going North / South (and Seattle is a N/S city because of the hills) would be to take I-5, which is often slow, dangerous (some sections quite dangerous) and clogged with traffic. The section of the viaduct that traverses the downtown area is elevated and the area underneath has not gone to total waste--it is actively used for businesses, commercial parking, and even sections of the Pike Place Market.</p>
<p>In my option, the fact that the Viaduct is there takes away a lot of  surface traffic from the downtown core, which makes it much more walkable and enjoyable for pedestrians. Now if they tore down the Viaduct and REPLACED it with a monorail train system and / or underground subway system, I would be on board for that, in fact it would be pretty cool. But this is where local politics get tricky--the voters approved a VERY-POPULAR-WITH-THE-PEOPLE mass transit system almost ten years ago--they passed it into law (if I remember my history correctly here) but then the state said that it had no money for the project and it when into either perma-delay or was shut down entirely. Maybe the construction that we witnessed down by the airport is the surviving-half-bastard-step child of the original project.</p>
<p>That is probably a longer answer than what you were looking for, but in conclusion, no, I don't think it should be torn down until the state / city comes up with more real, feasible, &amp; funded solutions to transportation in the Seattle area. Complete the promised light rail system connecting the downtown core, and then take down the Viaduct, and devote at least 1/4 of the re-claimed land to public space / public parks / the arts.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/22/americas-least-wanted-highways/comment-page-1/#comment-56651</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most folks don&#039;t know why the Sheridan is there.  It was supposed to be the main route from the Triboro to New England.  It wasn&#039;t supposed to end where it does, but instead was intended to be extended alongside the Amtrack line.

Driving north on the Brucker to the Bruckner/Sheridan interchange, doesn&#039;t it seem as if the Sheridan is the main route and the continuation of the Bruckner the diverging route?

In that sense, it is sort of like the little-used Richmond Parkway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most folks don't know why the Sheridan is there.  It was supposed to be the main route from the Triboro to New England.  It wasn't supposed to end where it does, but instead was intended to be extended alongside the Amtrack line.</p>
<p>Driving north on the Brucker to the Bruckner/Sheridan interchange, doesn't it seem as if the Sheridan is the main route and the continuation of the Bruckner the diverging route?</p>
<p>In that sense, it is sort of like the little-used Richmond Parkway.</p>
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		<title>By: boris256</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/22/americas-least-wanted-highways/comment-page-1/#comment-56644</link>
		<dc:creator>boris256</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 04:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time I drive on the Gowanus Expressway in Brooklyn I recall the time a car service took me up to Manhattan via 4th Avenue, at rush hour. It took less time than taking the highway. The Gowanus has been under construction for 10 years or so, and it&#039;s still a crumbling piece of junk. Removing it completely and streamlining 3rd Avenue into a nice boulevard makes the most sense at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time I drive on the Gowanus Expressway in Brooklyn I recall the time a car service took me up to Manhattan via 4th Avenue, at rush hour. It took less time than taking the highway. The Gowanus has been under construction for 10 years or so, and it's still a crumbling piece of junk. Removing it completely and streamlining 3rd Avenue into a nice boulevard makes the most sense at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Joby Jacob</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/22/americas-least-wanted-highways/comment-page-1/#comment-56641</link>
		<dc:creator>Joby Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Cap&#039;n,

I&#039;ve heard from long-time Baysiders that the particular stretch along the CIP was host to mansions and hotels and get this - an actual beach!!! before they threw up the CIP. I&#039;m pretty sure the Crocheron Park/Golden Park section of Bayside overlooking the CIP is where Boss Tweed hid out before he absconded. 

Anyways, I think a Sunday Closure would be wonderful, and might actually help people to walk and wonder at the natural environment that they zip past every day.

The whole CIP/Belt system is long overdue for a overhaul/retirement. In the case of CIP an overhaul is pointless because the parkway is redundant. The section south of the GCP is a bit more complex of a situation, as the Clearview ends at Hillside Ave.

Do you think anyone at QCPGS would be interested in this idea? 

-joby</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Cap'n,</p>
<p>I've heard from long-time Baysiders that the particular stretch along the CIP was host to mansions and hotels and get this - an actual beach!!! before they threw up the CIP. I'm pretty sure the Crocheron Park/Golden Park section of Bayside overlooking the CIP is where Boss Tweed hid out before he absconded. </p>
<p>Anyways, I think a Sunday Closure would be wonderful, and might actually help people to walk and wonder at the natural environment that they zip past every day.</p>
<p>The whole CIP/Belt system is long overdue for a overhaul/retirement. In the case of CIP an overhaul is pointless because the parkway is redundant. The section south of the GCP is a bit more complex of a situation, as the Clearview ends at Hillside Ave.</p>
<p>Do you think anyone at QCPGS would be interested in this idea? </p>
<p>-joby</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/22/americas-least-wanted-highways/comment-page-1/#comment-56640</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What about the Cross Island Parkway from the Clearview to the LIE, since the Clearview is there, the CIP is pointless.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Genius, Joby!  It&#039;s even pointless further south, as far as the Grand Central, since it&#039;s a parkway too.  And that part of the CIP is the part that most interferes with the recreational and natural environment.  Imagine walking through Alley Pond Park or along the Little Neck Bay without the parkway!  At the very least, it could be closed on Sundays.

I wonder if we could get support for this from the Queens Coalition for Parks and Green Spaces?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What about the Cross Island Parkway from the Clearview to the LIE, since the Clearview is there, the CIP is pointless.</p></blockquote>
<p>Genius, Joby!  It's even pointless further south, as far as the Grand Central, since it's a parkway too.  And that part of the CIP is the part that most interferes with the recreational and natural environment.  Imagine walking through Alley Pond Park or along the Little Neck Bay without the parkway!  At the very least, it could be closed on Sundays.</p>
<p>I wonder if we could get support for this from the Queens Coalition for Parks and Green Spaces?</p>
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		<title>By: Braddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Braddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in Seattle for 15 years and I absolutely agree with #1.  The Alaska Way Viaduct is not only hideous but very dangerous as well.  In an earthquake the whole thing is likely to collapse.  The structure is very similar to the double decker highway that came down in the 1989 San Francisco quake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Seattle for 15 years and I absolutely agree with #1.  The Alaska Way Viaduct is not only hideous but very dangerous as well.  In an earthquake the whole thing is likely to collapse.  The structure is very similar to the double decker highway that came down in the 1989 San Francisco quake.</p>
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		<title>By: Moser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I-481 runs around downtown Syracuse to the east and loops back in to I-81 south and north of town so you can rip 81 out of downtown without breaking up the long-range I-81 route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I-481 runs around downtown Syracuse to the east and loops back in to I-81 south and north of town so you can rip 81 out of downtown without breaking up the long-range I-81 route.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/22/americas-least-wanted-highways/comment-page-1/#comment-56636</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is New York State Department of Transportation Commissioner Astrid Glynn on the Sheridan project? 

She should be using the Sheridan removal as an example of her agency&#039;s commitment to smart growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is New York State Department of Transportation Commissioner Astrid Glynn on the Sheridan project? </p>
<p>She should be using the Sheridan removal as an example of her agency's commitment to smart growth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Hymen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Hymen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, that&#039;s cause you were up on the highway.  I believe that the people on the ground are less happy that interstate highways divide Syracuse into north and east and west.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, that's cause you were up on the highway.  I believe that the people on the ground are less happy that interstate highways divide Syracuse into north and east and west.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Donovan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/22/americas-least-wanted-highways/comment-page-1/#comment-56632</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Thanks to the advocacy of the Southern Bronx River Watershed Alliance, the state DOT is considering a proposal to replace the lightly-traveled, Moses-era Sheridan with housing and parks.&quot;

That&#039;s great news! What is the best way to support this happening?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Thanks to the advocacy of the Southern Bronx River Watershed Alliance, the state DOT is considering a proposal to replace the lightly-traveled, Moses-era Sheridan with housing and parks."</p>
<p>That's great news! What is the best way to support this happening?</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the FDR?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the FDR?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh, I&#039;ve driven through Syracuse on I-81 a bunch of times (though none more recently than five years ago or so, to be fair) and never thought it was particularly in need of extensive work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh, I've driven through Syracuse on I-81 a bunch of times (though none more recently than five years ago or so, to be fair) and never thought it was particularly in need of extensive work.</p>
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		<title>By: Joby Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joby Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the Van Wyck Expressway section from Grand Central Parkway to the Whitestone Expressway, blocks access to the Flushing River, and is totally redundant, considering the GCP on the other side of the park has been retrofited for trucks and busses. This gets rid of one unnecessary highway.
What about the Cross Island Parkway from the Clearview to the LIE, since the Clearview is there, the CIP is pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the Van Wyck Expressway section from Grand Central Parkway to the Whitestone Expressway, blocks access to the Flushing River, and is totally redundant, considering the GCP on the other side of the park has been retrofited for trucks and busses. This gets rid of one unnecessary highway.<br />
What about the Cross Island Parkway from the Clearview to the LIE, since the Clearview is there, the CIP is pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Hymen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Hymen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that more specifically, #6 is opposition to running I-81 right through the middle of Syracuse.  (Ditto I-690.)  We&#039;ll always need a way to get from Ontario to Tennessee, or vice versa, or points in between.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that more specifically, #6 is opposition to running I-81 right through the middle of Syracuse.  (Ditto I-690.)  We'll always need a way to get from Ontario to Tennessee, or vice versa, or points in between.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wooo Hooo!!!

Rt. 29 is on there!

Luckly NJDOT agrees and from what I know they have plans to eliminate it and integrate Rt 29 back onto the surface streets, opening up the Delaware River waterfront to parks and redevelopment.

After visiting Seattle 2 years ago (I had to miss ProWalk/ProBike this year) I couldn&#039;t believe what a retched thing the Alaska Highway was.  Just nasty!  Gray, filthy and crumbling, totally blocking the beautiful old buildings from spectacular views of Puget Sound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wooo Hooo!!!</p>
<p>Rt. 29 is on there!</p>
<p>Luckly NJDOT agrees and from what I know they have plans to eliminate it and integrate Rt 29 back onto the surface streets, opening up the Delaware River waterfront to parks and redevelopment.</p>
<p>After visiting Seattle 2 years ago (I had to miss ProWalk/ProBike this year) I couldn't believe what a retched thing the Alaska Highway was.  Just nasty!  Gray, filthy and crumbling, totally blocking the beautiful old buildings from spectacular views of Puget Sound.</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like those of us outside the Bronx should be doing more to push the Sheridan project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like those of us outside the Bronx should be doing more to push the Sheridan project.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/22/americas-least-wanted-highways/comment-page-1/#comment-56618</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Route 34 definitely belongs on this list. There have been numerous attempts to extend it, including plans for a new tunnel, that have gone absolutely nowhere. Any one who has driven in or around New Haven has felt the effects of this poor forsaken piece of asphalt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Route 34 definitely belongs on this list. There have been numerous attempts to extend it, including plans for a new tunnel, that have gone absolutely nowhere. Any one who has driven in or around New Haven has felt the effects of this poor forsaken piece of asphalt.</p>
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