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		<title>By: Anon.</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/urbanism-not-just-for-lefties/comment-page-1/#comment-58289</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Max, who is classified as rich and what tax breaks are they receiving?&quot;

Million dollars a year is definitely &quot;rich&quot;.  Tax breaks include taxing investment income at a *maximum* of 15% and earned income at a *minimum* of 17.5% (payroll tax!).  This is specifically a reward for the idle!   There&#039;s sales tax on ordinary transactions but not on investment transactions.  Finally, there are fairly well-hidden tax structures called &quot;phaseouts&quot; which cause effective income tax rates to go *up* on the upper-middle-class but *down* on the truly rich.  The payroll tax &quot;cap&quot; is another example of a tax break for the rich.  Those are off the top of my head.

Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.  This is wrong.  Buffett agrees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Max, who is classified as rich and what tax breaks are they receiving?&#8221;</p>
<p>Million dollars a year is definitely &#8220;rich&#8221;.  Tax breaks include taxing investment income at a *maximum* of 15% and earned income at a *minimum* of 17.5% (payroll tax!).  This is specifically a reward for the idle!   There&#8217;s sales tax on ordinary transactions but not on investment transactions.  Finally, there are fairly well-hidden tax structures called &#8220;phaseouts&#8221; which cause effective income tax rates to go *up* on the upper-middle-class but *down* on the truly rich.  The payroll tax &#8220;cap&#8221; is another example of a tax break for the rich.  Those are off the top of my head.</p>
<p>Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.  This is wrong.  Buffett agrees.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/urbanism-not-just-for-lefties/comment-page-1/#comment-58276</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max, who is classified as rich and what tax breaks are they receiving?  And since when did fundamentalist religion not include the christian bashing that is so popular?  These are not helpful comments and do not help what should be a non-partisan effort to improve life for us all.

This reminds me of how some hold up signs saying, &#039;What are you doing for the  people?&#039; when it would be better to concern yourself with _all_ people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, who is classified as rich and what tax breaks are they receiving?  And since when did fundamentalist religion not include the christian bashing that is so popular?  These are not helpful comments and do not help what should be a non-partisan effort to improve life for us all.</p>
<p>This reminds me of how some hold up signs saying, &#8216;What are you doing for the  people?&#8217; when it would be better to concern yourself with _all_ people.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/urbanism-not-just-for-lefties/comment-page-1/#comment-56257</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Not sure if &quot;bail out&quot; is the right word. Taxpayers can bail out failed private enterprises (Bear Stearns, etc.) or quasi-private enterprises with private sources of funding (Fannie Mae etc.) but they can&#039;t really bail out the Highway Trust Fund since they were paying for it all along.

Actually, it is correct to say that taxpayers are bailing out the Highway Trust Fund.  One of the arguments of the libertarians against investments in mass transit is that highways &quot;pay for themselves&quot; with user fees, in the form of the gas tax - if you don&#039;t drive, or don&#039;t drive that much - you don&#039;t pay, whereas if you drive a lot, you pay for it.  Buses and subways are not paid for by user fees.

If the gas tax is insufficient to pay for highways and money must come from other general funds, then highways cannot be said to pay for themselves.  (Note that another argument is that although the gas tax has been sufficient to pay for highway construction in the past, that does not mean highways are self-sufficient as ongoing maintenance costs are proving to be far higher than gas tax revenue can compensate for at current levels).  Either way, seems like subsidizing transportation is needed regardless of the mode of transport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Not sure if &#8220;bail out&#8221; is the right word. Taxpayers can bail out failed private enterprises (Bear Stearns, etc.) or quasi-private enterprises with private sources of funding (Fannie Mae etc.) but they can&#8217;t really bail out the Highway Trust Fund since they were paying for it all along.</p>
<p>Actually, it is correct to say that taxpayers are bailing out the Highway Trust Fund.  One of the arguments of the libertarians against investments in mass transit is that highways &#8220;pay for themselves&#8221; with user fees, in the form of the gas tax &#8211; if you don&#8217;t drive, or don&#8217;t drive that much &#8211; you don&#8217;t pay, whereas if you drive a lot, you pay for it.  Buses and subways are not paid for by user fees.</p>
<p>If the gas tax is insufficient to pay for highways and money must come from other general funds, then highways cannot be said to pay for themselves.  (Note that another argument is that although the gas tax has been sufficient to pay for highway construction in the past, that does not mean highways are self-sufficient as ongoing maintenance costs are proving to be far higher than gas tax revenue can compensate for at current levels).  Either way, seems like subsidizing transportation is needed regardless of the mode of transport.</p>
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		<title>By: Omri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Transit Guy: true enough, but if you run a train track through a 6 lane freeway, you can run it a lot straighter than the freeway itself. Yes, it means sacrificing the whole freeway. No big deal, though, since blacktop roadways deteriorate fast enough to make it a fait accompli before you notice. 

There is also the issue that freeways go up steeper grades than train tracks. It would be well worth to make a survey which interstates could be treated this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Transit Guy: true enough, but if you run a train track through a 6 lane freeway, you can run it a lot straighter than the freeway itself. Yes, it means sacrificing the whole freeway. No big deal, though, since blacktop roadways deteriorate fast enough to make it a fait accompli before you notice. </p>
<p>There is also the issue that freeways go up steeper grades than train tracks. It would be well worth to make a survey which interstates could be treated this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Rockatansky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Rockatansky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans have little to do with traditional conservative values, they&#039;re more into fundamentalist religion, war, and tax breaks for the idle rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans have little to do with traditional conservative values, they&#8217;re more into fundamentalist religion, war, and tax breaks for the idle rich.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your responses, Omri and Transit Guy.

Of course, you&#039;re talking about heavy rail and high-speed rail. There&#039;s another angle that I touched on in my original post: light rail. Here the idea of using existing roads and streets may get some traction. But the roadbeds may need to be firmed up to accept the weight of trams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your responses, Omri and Transit Guy.</p>
<p>Of course, you&#8217;re talking about heavy rail and high-speed rail. There&#8217;s another angle that I touched on in my original post: light rail. Here the idea of using existing roads and streets may get some traction. But the roadbeds may need to be firmed up to accept the weight of trams.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post.

One quibble: Not sure if &quot;bail out&quot; is the right word. Taxpayers can bail out failed private enterprises (Bear Stearns, etc.) or quasi-private enterprises with private sources of funding (Fannie Mae etc.) but they can&#039;t really bail out the Highway Trust Fund since they were paying for it all along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post.</p>
<p>One quibble: Not sure if &#8220;bail out&#8221; is the right word. Taxpayers can bail out failed private enterprises (Bear Stearns, etc.) or quasi-private enterprises with private sources of funding (Fannie Mae etc.) but they can&#8217;t really bail out the Highway Trust Fund since they were paying for it all along.</p>
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		<title>By: Transit Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2008/09/11/urbanism-not-just-for-lefties/comment-page-1/#comment-56207</link>
		<dc:creator>Transit Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify, it&#039;s nearly impossible to repurpose an interstate for HSR.  If it&#039;s possible, it&#039;s probably far more costly than the next alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify, it&#8217;s nearly impossible to repurpose an interstate for HSR.  If it&#8217;s possible, it&#8217;s probably far more costly than the next alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Transit Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Transit Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Omri- the answer is probably none.  The engineering requirements for turns made by vehicles that are over 100 yards in length are very different than those acceptable to cars and tractor trailers on interstates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omri- the answer is probably none.  The engineering requirements for turns made by vehicles that are over 100 yards in length are very different than those acceptable to cars and tractor trailers on interstates.</p>
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		<title>By: Shemp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taxpayers &quot;bailing out&quot; the highway trust fund?  It&#039;s a fund of public money for public purposes that is suffering from the absence of timely tax increases over the past 15 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taxpayers &#8220;bailing out&#8221; the highway trust fund?  It&#8217;s a fund of public money for public purposes that is suffering from the absence of timely tax increases over the past 15 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Omri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, how many HSR train lines could we need that we could not set up by repurposing an interstate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, how many HSR train lines could we need that we could not set up by repurposing an interstate?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Real conservatives, who object to using government power to redistribute well being up to the better off as well as down to the less well off, probably account for about 1/5 or less of those who call themselves Republicans.

One of the few, at least to an extent, is the guy they put up from President, but if elected he&#039;d have a hell of a time getting his own kind off the tit.  The United States of America, however, may be bankrupt by inaugeration day, so anything is possible.

Bicycles -- little public capital cost, no public operating cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real conservatives, who object to using government power to redistribute well being up to the better off as well as down to the less well off, probably account for about 1/5 or less of those who call themselves Republicans.</p>
<p>One of the few, at least to an extent, is the guy they put up from President, but if elected he&#8217;d have a hell of a time getting his own kind off the tit.  The United States of America, however, may be bankrupt by inaugeration day, so anything is possible.</p>
<p>Bicycles &#8212; little public capital cost, no public operating cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eminent domain may someday be needed to build light and heavy rail. Will we have the collective will to bulldoze dying sprawl to make way for high-speed rail?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eminent domain may someday be needed to build light and heavy rail. Will we have the collective will to bulldoze dying sprawl to make way for high-speed rail?</p>
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